Transfer Rumblings
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Massive article from Swain just dropped for those with premium @BeddieKU23 and @TYOHawk I believe?
Basically lines up with all the shadow cabal hearings, unsurprisingly.
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
Massive article from Swain just dropped for those with premium @BeddieKU23 and @TYOHawk I believe?
Basically lines up with all the shadow cabal hearings, unsurprisingly.
Another scoop in the thread by Swain as well about Ingram.
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@TYOHawk If you were a top two player on the Stanford Cardinal in 22-23, you might just be a Jayhawk in 23-24.
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Bobbyās AAU coach hinted he might transfer as wellā¦
I can only pray
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@TYOHawk Iād rather Bobby left than Joe. At least Joe looks to score.
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I agree on the scoring aspect, but I think the bigger issue for Self is that Joe doesnāt have a position here while Bobby does. When Joe plays heās playing out of position and heās undersized and doesnāt make up for those things in his play. Think he needs a school that can hide those things while letting him play free.
It was unfortunate that Bobby was neither comfortable running the point when Harris sat or playing with him on the court at the same time. They were both nightmarish situations. Bobby didnāt seem confident with the ball or seem to have much chemistry with anyone on the court. I got the sense this level of play seemed above his pay grade especially later in the season but I always wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt due to the injuries.
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@BeddieKU23 Joe is inefficient. Bobby is ineffective. Take your pick. Both can go as far as Iām concerned. If I had to keep one though it would be Joe. Joe appears to try to make an impact, Bobby plays to not mess up. Joe could lose you games, but could also win you some. Bobby wonāt win you anything, but heās far less likely to lose you a game as well. I suppose it comes down to personal preference, but neither should be playing significant minutes for KU.
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I agree with your last sentence. I donāt have a preference for either. I have liked and supported both and hoped for bigger things then both have shown here. I may have overestimated what I thought they would do here.
I wouldnāt mind if one of them returns but if neither returns then I really hope we find an experienced guard in the portal
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@dylans āBobby plays to not mess upā
Thatās what our whole team did this year. @drgnslayr would say they had no āchipā. Never once this season did I see this team balls to the wall, hustle like crazy, put their feet on the throat of the āenemyā. Well, Iāll back up for a second - they played hard once they got down 10 or more - which was a lot for a team of this ācaliberā. But when they werenāt making big comebacks, they were playing not to lose.
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I hear what you are saying. And I agree. But I think the reason wasnāt their lack of desire to turn it up. I think they were just conserving energy. Look at how our starting 5 often put in 35+ minutes a game. Thatās a lot of minutes. Itās possible if you arenāt sprinting on every possession. But the style they really needed to play was full-tilt basketball.
We were all so excited to finally have a running team and we got a taste of it in some of our early games. The guys had fresh legs and we blew away teams so everyone received some minutes. But as the season progressed it seems like we played slower and slower basketball.
Juan deserves a lot of credit for a great seasonā¦ I think he gave everything he had but didnāt have anything left.
If we ran the ball upcourt on every possession our offense would totally kick butt! We attack before the defense sets upā¦ go right into offense after crossing halfcourt and wow!
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@dylans said in Transfer Rumblings:
@TYOHawk Iād rather Bobby left than Joe. At least Joe looks to score.
I donāt think either is good to be honest. As harsh as that soundsā¦but if I had to keep one Iād keep Joe. He at least plays like he has some self-esteem. Heās been on the team for 2 years and I still canāt tell you what Bobby is good at. Thatās fine at a place like NC State or a mid majorā¦not at KU.
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@drgnslayr Itās been a while, but when I was 18-22 years old - I could play ball ALL D**N DAY. After partying until the wee hours. I think we implant this stuff (not you personally - you know i almost always agree with you) stuff in their heads and they get to thinking about how physically demanding this game is. I donāt buy it. If they were playing in a 40 and under league - yeah. But not highly trained, physically gifted athletes who are in their prime.
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Iāve posted this before in here. I played extensive organized basketball then had the opportunity to play in Europe at a much higher level. I thought I was in great condition. My first day on this team and I had to puke. Every athlete has their limit. Our guys just needed more rest time within their games. For a D1 team to play real run and gun ball players shouldnāt go 35+ minutesā¦ especially every game.
I think there is a difference in styles of run and gun. What we needed was the most-punishing version. Some run and gun just pushes the ball up court quickly and if a break score isnāt there they slow it down. We needed to push the ball up and run hard, fast offense. We needed to tire our opponents on every possession. How do we not tire when the defense tires?
We need a solid 8-player rotation. We didnāt have it this year.
We used to chat a lot about Frank Mason getting worn down as the year progressed. Part of it was him getting nicked upā¦ but mostly he just wore down and he had great athleticism.
If you watch NBAā¦ all those guys get lots of rest. They are pushed even harder but they get pulled constantly throughout games. What it shows is even our top athletes have their limits. They play run and gun differently. They typically only send 2 to 3 players downcourt on their runs.
Many in here thought our bench should have received more minutes in games all year. Maybeā¦ but I bet they didnāt show they deserved more minutes in practice. Self would have liked to play them more but they didnāt show promise even in practice.
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Yeah the bench didnāt get run because Self realized he couldnāt win with them. Winning will always be above playing guys who canāt maximize that goal.
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Yepā¦ and it makes me think about how much of our bench should we ask to return? I know good bigs are hard to find and I definitely hope we keep Ernest and Zubyā¦ but otherwiseā¦ if guys couldnāt win minutes this year when we were so desperate for relief minutes, can they next year?
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@drgnslayr said in Transfer Rumblings:
I hear what you are saying. And I agree. But I think the reason wasnāt their lack of desire to turn it up. I think they were just conserving energy. Look at how our starting 5 often put in 35+ minutes a game. Thatās a lot of minutes. Itās possible if you arenāt sprinting on every possession. But the style they really needed to play was full-tilt basketball.
We were all so excited to finally have a running team and we got a taste of it in some of our early games. The guys had fresh legs and we blew away teams so everyone received some minutes. But as the season progressed it seems like we played slower and slower basketball.
Juan deserves a lot of credit for a great seasonā¦ I think he gave everything he had but didnāt have anything left.
If we ran the ball upcourt on every possession our offense would totally kick butt! We attack before the defense sets upā¦ go right into offense after crossing halfcourt and wow!
Thatās my only complaint about Juan, no backup so he had to conserve energy which lead to him walking the ball up the court too much.
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@drgnslayr @BeddieKU23 Also if interest to me is that a lot of our āathleticismā was on the bench. Guys like Joe, MJ, and Udeh all have some superior athletic ability. Really KJ was the only starter with an athletic advantage over most opponents but even that was negated by his height and playing out of position.
I also think this is what a lot of us saw early on with Bobby. His first step was elite but has fallen off due to injury. Donāt know whether heās actually lost a step or just lost confidence in his ability to explode without injuring himself.
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@drgnslayr Youāre obviously much more experienced than I am at this if youāve played at that level. My point is, I believe we, as a people, get something in our heads and it just stays there. I think a teamās success has more to do with whatās in their heads than it does with the actual talent level on the court. I referenced Danny and the Miracles in another post. We didnāt have a deep bench then, but we had intense players. Honest to God, and I know itās been 35 years ago, I could tell within 5 minutes that we were going to win that game. This year, we gave up a 12 point lead to a team with 13 losses. That wasnāt due to lack of depth (necessarily), but to a lack of focus. We were a better team. Heck, look at the box score. We won. It sure looks that way.
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Yeah Ernest & Zuby, two building blocks + we know our history with young bigās becoming men.
In this age where you can go find proven production in the portal I wouldnāt be upset if all the bench guards moved on. If one stays I take it the staff believes in them.
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TIMELINE
Outgoing player announcements will all be done within the next 10-14 days. Would imagine no more than one on any particular day but we will see.
Wonāt see the Stanford players hit the portal until early April due to their academic schedule.
Tagging @dylans since I believe you were wondering.
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I wonder what counts most for us on the recruiting trail.
Defensive potential?
Offensive potential?
Size and/or athleticism?
Utility guard? (large guard)
If Self looks at our current roster and doesnāt see enough scoringā¦ is he going to target a volume scorer (even if his defense sucks)?
Multiyear players versus OAD?
I know we often have specific needsā¦ but Self talks constantly now about having a positionless team. So if we needed a PG and only a 2-star PG was available with our last spot on the team, would Self pick him or pick a 4-star utility guard?
I think recruiting must be the most important task of a head coachā¦
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My experience is just as likely to cause me to be inflexible with my basketball ideas. My experience was my own tiny bubble and I mention because of thatā¦ maybe I just perpetually sucked at conditioning! lol
Too many chips!
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@BeddieKU23 said in Transfer Rumblings:
Yeah Ernest & Zuby, two building blocks + we know our history with young bigās becoming men.
For sureā¦
But if we are out on the recruiting trail and we see a footer walking backward on campusā¦
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Stanford G Isa Silva just entered the portal. Donāt think he is one we are after, but doesnāt appear Stanford players are going to wait.
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Is there a reason for the Stanford exodus? Are they going through a coaching change?
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Dumb questions hereā¦
Teams are only limited by scholarships. In our case, we are down one scholarship because of our own removal of one.
Is there a limit to how many āwalk-onsā are on a team? Iāve seen some teams that look like they have 6 walk-ons or so.
Why I ask?
Since we have NILā¦ canāt we just give a player enough guaranteed NIL to walk-on and for sure have his tuition expenses paid and a lot more?
Iām not thinking this is a normal thing to have an extended roster. But what if Self doesnāt want to cut any current players but we have an opportunity to snag one or two special players later?
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@drgnslayr thereās no official roster limit but you are limited to how many to you can travel and dress each game.
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NIL money makes things weird. Could we add a player that gets enough NIL money to cover his tuition and expenses without the use of a scholarship?
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@drgnslayr theoretically yes but there are a bunch of recruiting restrictions around that. You canāt host a player on an official visit and contact is limited (i.e. a player canāt be ārecruitedā) so itās a lot harder to get done than just telling him āoh hey weād love to have you but NIL has to cover all your expensesā
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Might a player sign a special NIL contract allowing his visit to be paid? The deal isnāt with the universityā¦ itās a third-party deal.
I know this all sounds theoreticalā¦ what Iām getting atā¦ NIL destroys many of the rules currently in place.
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@drgnslayr I guess thereās a scenario where youād fly a guy in for a commercial or something? Would be clearly sketchy as hell for a KU NIL collective to pay a guy thatās not even at KU. Would the NCAA do anything about it? Idk, maybe? Would a donor pony up the money if itās not a guarantee the guy comes to KU? Maybe?
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@drgnslayr said in Transfer Rumblings:
I wonder what counts most for us on the recruiting trail.
Defensive potential?
Offensive potential?
Size and/or athleticism?
Utility guard? (large guard)
If Self looks at our current roster and doesnāt see enough scoringā¦ is he going to target a volume scorer (even if his defense sucks)?
Multiyear players versus OAD?
I know we often have specific needsā¦ but Self talks constantly now about having a positionless team. So if we needed a PG and only a 2-star PG was available with our last spot on the team, would Self pick him or pick a 4-star utility guard?
I think recruiting must be the most important task of a head coachā¦
I do think this is one of Billās keys to consistency. It seems to me he takes a pretty balance approach. He has a few things he wants to add to the team each year position wise. He has ideas about whether he wants to be more athletic/skilled/disciplined/bball IQ from year to year. But overall he kind of just ends up taking the best ādudesā he can find and then making the system fit them. Weāve seen two bigs, two small guards, 4 guards, small 5, positionless, etc. depending on the personnel Self ends up available with. He looks for the best guys and then plays the ones that give him the best chance to win every game. I think that tends to highlight balanced players that have some level of athletic/skill/discipline/bball IQ competency. A certain guy may be lacking in one area or the other necessitating someone else on the roster to make up for that deficiency somewhere.
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@benshawks08 said in Transfer Rumblings:
Is there a reason for the Stanford exodus? Are they going through a coaching change?
They were going to fire Haase. Replacement was lined up. Not sure how he kept his job.
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Watch this one if he enters https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chris-livingston-1.html
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Watch this one if he enters https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chris-livingston-1.html
Would love this one
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Interesting, didnāt have nearly the year expected. Probably just needs a real coach
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Yeah thatās a good point about the teamās athleticism.
I have to believe for my own sanity that the injuries and what not to Bobby are the reason why he hasnāt looked himself. 3 straight years of injuries bringing you down and diminishing your abilities has to weigh pretty heavily on him. He had the ankle issue from High School to KU. Then the abdominal issue his freshman year, then the hamstring/covid whatever else this season. Either he has the worst luck or heās prone to this. I hope itās all over.
Bobby at 100% was an exciting player. The Wisconsin game winner is the perfect example of his athletic ability when healthy. We need that Bobby back
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@BeddieKU23 Self said he could be the ānext great oneā, not āpretty goodā right?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Watch this one if he enters https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chris-livingston-1.html
Has that dog in him. Would we favor him over previous mentions?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Watch this one if he enters https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chris-livingston-1.html
This would definitely help us get more athletic. He would be a great addition.
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Season highlights back up a lot of my thoughts on him. Calipari is basically an AAU coach at this point. I think there is a lot to work with here.
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@BShark he had 8 against us, maybe 17+ mins.
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He was killing us early and then Calimari coached him out
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Yeah Livingston would be big time. Heās an NBA player, just has to figure it out.
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MASSIVE NEWS INCOMING. I was told not to go public with it so Iām behaving. No DMs.
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If Iām getting it I am sure @FarmerJayhawk also heard it.
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Here is a guy I wantā¦
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@drgnslayr He sucks. Hardest of passes.
ETA: The KU boards including this one would get frustrated with him fast. Think a much worse Jalen Wilson. MUCH WORSE. Also without the rebounding.
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
MASSIVE NEWS INCOMING. I was told not to go public with it so Iām behaving. No DMs.
ETA on this massive news? Who is the best follow to get that when it drops?
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He averaged 6.3 rebs two years ago in a conference you have to earn your rebounds and 17.5 ppg. Last year numbers down because Minnesota struggled.
