Transfer Rumblings
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Looks like 9 have 2, including Self, making him a top 15 all-time coach already, by that metric. (I know you know, but I’ll answer in order to move this conversation forward, because I don’t think the socratic method works for everyone
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@Texas-Hawk-10 It’s difficult in a one a done tourney but Self needs to get more in that 4-5 range
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And standings post 85 expansion: K: 5 Roy, Calhoun: 3 Donovan, Pitino, Hurley, Self: 2
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 It’s difficult in a one a done tourney but Self needs to get more in that 4-5 range
So he needs to do something that literally only one other coach in the modern era has done to be validated to you? Cool
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@FarmerJayhawk but but but Bill needs to get 4-5 to warrant the oxygen he consumes.
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@BShark That year no doubt Self didn’t have AD but trob and Tyshawn ect were legit.
What I’m saying is he has a top 1-3 roster every single year and we are constantly ranked number 1/2/3 all these years and he’s got 2 titles to show for it. Anyone not think through that?
ONE MORE TIME , let me try and slow this down for you so you can understand. - -You say Self has got 2 titles with all these top 1-3 rosters every single year , can throw that right back at you Calipari had all these # 1 ranked- -# 2ranked recruiting classes -even top 5 classes practically EVERY YEAR na dhow many titles does Calipari how many did he have at Kentucky - -You not think through that -holy crap man wake up. Calipari has had better rosters almost every year over Ku according to services and has done nothing with them - - Shows who can Coach better and develop better better classes or not. Dam man
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@dylans said in Transfer Rumblings:
@FarmerJayhawk but but but Bill needs to get 4-5 to warrant the oxygen he consumes.
maybe he can have some of Ballin’s I’m sure he wouldn’t mind sharing with Bill lmao
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I explained to you earlier that the argument of “Self should have more titles” is the smartest way to bash Self. Honestly I commend you for trying to play your best card. However, you don’t understand why Self “only” has two titles. When you come up with an idea, you should analyze the idea and see if facts corraborate it before wholeheartedly believing it.
In other words, the theory that Self’s teams get upset in the tournament because Self chooses to play high-floor/low-ceiling players and thus creates high-floor/low ceiling teams holds absolutely no water. Let us take 2011 as an example. That team went 35-3 and had multiple impressive wins, including against Arizona and Texas, who were both top 10 teams (and both significantly better and more athletic than VCU). So to argue that we did not have the ceiling to beat VCU makes no sense.
The other example you provided was us playing Jamari Traylor, who was just a bench player who came in to relieve Perry Ellis and Landon Lucas. It is hard to see Traylor getting bench minutes as the kind of situation that cripples our ceiling but let’s look at this team anyways. That team went 33-5 and had multiple top-25 wins including 4 top 10 wins. Too low a ceiling to win a title?
No. If you can beat top 10 teams your ceiling is fine.If I were you I would argue that Self does not mentally prepare his teams for the tournament well enough. There is evidence for this, unlike the low-ceiling argument. We have missed open jumpers and free throws at astonishingly high rates in elimination games. Start your arument here, think through what you say, and take it from there.
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Have we confirmed that our Bill Self/Dajuan Harris basher on this board isn’t actually Remy Martin?
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@jayballer67 Everyone knows Cal’s a horrible coach and Bill is a good coach. Doesn’t mean Bill hasn’t underachieved with the rosters he’s had.
When Hurley can match u in two years or Scott Drew of all dudes is 1 title away from tying u that isn’t saying much
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Nah it’s moreso for all the people acting like he’s the goat. He will yet again have the best roster this year and we won’t capitalize in March with a third title. Other coaches maximize top rosters but he seems to struggle with getting them to gel and be ready come tourney time.
If he’s considered the goat coach and in this era then yeah winning only two titles his entire career won’t differentiate him from your boy Hurley
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@focojayhawk Only reason goat isn’t tied with Scott Drew is because he sat his precious pet nutted up and played a real pg…….
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I know we’ve already moved on, in life as well as this thread, but … wasn’t that the game we lost due to the Morii not being able to back up their pre-game shit talking and related antics?
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I’m referring to the VCU tourney game
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Nah it’s moreso for all the people acting like he’s the goat. He will yet again have the best roster this year and we won’t capitalize in March with a third title. Other coaches maximize top rosters but he seems to struggle with getting them to gel and be ready come tourney time.
Why do you hate watch KU? You do realize that Bill Self the coach you constantly denigrate is the only constant on the team year to year? Maybe pick a different team if you know they will just fail, it seems to make you miserable and you seem to like to share that misery. Perhaps UConn and Danny Hurley is the apple of your eye. I’m sure they need more fans!
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@HoraceZontal They produced 13 and 20 points but weren’t efficient and let Skeen go off.
Vcu went 12/25 from 3 while we went 2/21……
We never adjusted to Skeen knocking down 3’s or guarding from deep per Self which is usual. Was talking to another coach about how it seems every team always has a career day from deep against us and we both agreed it’s easy to see why due to philosophy
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You really can’t honestly make the Bill squandering top rosters argument in the last several years. In part due to the FBI/NCAA stuff. Sure 2011 and 2016 were bad breaks, it happens.
To win a title you need NBA talent and a bit of luck too.
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@BShark …wait there is luck involved in a single elimination tournament with 68 participants? Nah. Matchups don’t matter, college players are dead consistent. I don’t know why they even bother playing the game the outcome is pre-determined, KenPom nails it every year due to the consistency across the sport.
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JT Toppin is intriguing, but the 4 sounds locked down.
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Ok on Jaxson Robinson, how does a guy go from 68% from the FT line to 91% in one year?
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@benshawks08 said in Transfer Rumblings:
Ok on Jaxson Robinson, how does a guy go from 68% from the FT line to 91% in one year?
Sample size. 68% was on 25 attempts. He is a good shooter.
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@dylans said in Transfer Rumblings:
JT Toppin is intriguing, but the 4 sounds locked down.
I try not to think about it…
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@BShark said in Transfer Rumblings:
@benshawks08 said in Transfer Rumblings:
Ok on Jaxson Robinson, how does a guy go from 68% from the FT line to 91% in one year?
Sample size. 68% was on 25 attempts. He is a good shooter.
Should have dug just a little deeper. Thanks!
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But now I wonder, how do you only shoot 25 free throws in 33 games at 28 minutes a game?
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@benshawks08 (because he’s not that good)
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
@benshawks08 (because he’s not that good)
Yep. Doesn’t offer much other than shooting. There is a role for him but it’s like 8th, maybe 7th man.
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@dylans Wait why’s it locked down? I thought Bill plays the best players right? No way he’d play a lesser player he’s hof
Edit: yes, I’m being an arse because of earlier in this thread
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@Jhawk69 I’ll dumb it down for you
The wich st loss, the vcu loss and most of Selfs……check what we shot from deep and what the other team shot from deep
It’s a Self dream to go 2/25 from deep and win and I have no clue why he desires that ugly form of basketball as if it elevates his offensive genius.
Why not have legit shooters who run an offensive machine and knock down open shots you scheme up?
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
@benshawks08 (because he’s not that good)
Dang farmer not high on him huh……didn’t see that one honestly
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Wait, we got another guy on the radar? Jeez, I wasn’t wrong when I said the chaos was just beginning!
Either Self is using his full allotment of schollies, or somebody else is hitting the door.
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@rockchalkjayhawk I think if Bill can loosen the reins on trusting newbies (even if they are jr/sr transfers) then he will be successful.
The portal has allowed him to screw Nike by getting top transfers that aren’t straight out of high school.
He’s got 5-10 years left he needs to get 3-4 more titles so we pass UConn and/or tie with uk as they become the next Indiana or ucla
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Before I respond let me see if I understand your argument. Are you suggesting that Self’s offensive scheme is good at getting us open looks but the players Self plays, including Brady Morningstar, Tyrel Reed, Devonte Graham, and Svi Mylhailiuk are not good enough shooters to knock them down?
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@jayballer67 Everyone knows Cal’s a horrible coach and Bill is a good coach. Doesn’t mean Bill hasn’t underachieved with the rosters he’s had.
When Hurley can match u in two years or Scott Drew of all dudes is 1 title away from tying u that isn’t saying much
I’m not even talking about Coach Self right at this moment although Coach Self has done more with less then Cal has, with all his Golden boys. Tells me just Coach develops players much better with less then others do with more…
Why don’t you talk to the people who votes Coach into the Hall of fame of what they think of Coach’s ability/ -No need to come back lame and talk about Hurey right now - -Is Hurley in the hall of fame ? - Not right now he isn’t is he? - might be later but not now he isn’t . - Let’s see oh ya Drew – is DREW in the hall of fame ?- - umm nope, maybe later but not now.
It has to due with consistency of a program for one - - - -Bill has constantly had KU in the top 25 Yr, after yr , after yr - -how many straight weeks now – - How many Big 12 championships did Coach lead KU to straight ? -THAT is NOT LUCK. 13 yrs straight is not luck— -it’s consistency .
Ya Hurley has had a stretch now is it consistent ? --we don’t know. - Bill has been consistent for over 20 yrs – -not 5 or 6 years. Why is it a lot of other Coach’s talk so highly of Self ? - -sure the hell isn’t luck - -The winning percentage he has had in the Phog - - is Not luck. - -We have won consistently with really talented clubs - - -we have won with ehh ok teams. - -Those teams where Coach’s ability has won the most.
I’m not even begin to go over AGAIN like others have tried to mention to you about all the things that go into winning a National Championship - So many factors. – How many other top notch blue bloods have done more then Bill’s teams - -I said bluebloods. winning back to back – just don’t happen, ya U Conn -and yet U Conn is not a blue blood - - - not a TRUE BLUEBLOOD. - -They have had a stretch of maybe 6 years. - -a true blood your looking at 15-20 yrs of top Basketball. Not sure if any maybe one of the true blue bloods won back to back - - UCLA with Kareem right ? – -Coack K didn’t I don’t believe - - a lot and I mean a lot has to go your way to do that. Bill must be doing something right or he wouldn’t have the type of success he has had over the years.
You don’t want to believe me - - like what I have to say – I don’t care , ain’t no sweat of my n - - - -. You think he has under achieved? - -Talk to his Peers , Talk to the analysts , talk to other teams former players - - talk to his former players – see what they say - -your not gonna like the answers
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@focojayhawk said in Transfer Rumblings:
Have we confirmed that our Bill Self/Dajuan Harris basher on this board isn’t actually Remy Martin?
LMAO - - ya I think that’s a big ten four buddy - -ROCK CHALK
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@dylans said in Transfer Rumblings:
@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Nah it’s moreso for all the people acting like he’s the goat. He will yet again have the best roster this year and we won’t capitalize in March with a third title. Other coaches maximize top rosters but he seems to struggle with getting them to gel and be ready come tourney time.
Why do you hate watch KU? You do realize that Bill Self the coach you constantly denigrate is the only constant on the team year to year? Maybe pick a different team if you know they will just fail, it seems to make you miserable and you seem to like to share that misery. Perhaps UConn and Danny Hurley is the apple of your eye. I’m sure they need more fans!
Na , dylans buddy Ballin would never pick another team, so don’t get your hopes up. Your 100 % right these other teas that are better he should go – -but like you said he just has a miserable life so he wants to share lol. - Eve heard that saying Misery loves company ? -Well Ballin is the founding father of misery - - just ooze it – sleeps it-- he is like a Bad Dream - he never goes away lol…
Finding out he likes to throw out pointless , meaningless statements that have no value just to get you riled up -let him go Dylans , let him rant , you know , I know he rants to hear himself rant. -No matter what team he roots for-- -he still a miserable individual.
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@jayballer67 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@dylans said in Transfer Rumblings:
@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Nah it’s moreso for all the people acting like he’s the goat. He will yet again have the best roster this year and we won’t capitalize in March with a third title. Other coaches maximize top rosters but he seems to struggle with getting them to gel and be ready come tourney time.
Why do you hate watch KU? You do realize that Bill Self the coach you constantly denigrate is the only constant on the team year to year? Maybe pick a different team if you know they will just fail, it seems to make you miserable and you seem to like to share that misery. Perhaps UConn and Danny Hurley is the apple of your eye. I’m sure they need more fans!
Na , dylans buddy Ballin would never pick another team, so don’t get your hopes up. Your 100 % right these other teas that are better he should go – -but like you said he just has a miserable life so he wants to share lol. - Eve heard that saying Misery loves company ? -Well Ballin is the founding father of misery - - just ooze it – sleeps it-- he is like a Bad Dream - he never goes away lol…
Finding out he likes to throw out pointless , meaningless statements that have no value just to get you riled up -let him go Dylans , let him rant , you know , I know he rants to hear himself rant. -No matter what team he roots for-- -he still a miserable individual.
Bottom line Dylan - -Ballin is what w call your CLASSIC TROLL
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@Jhawk69 No, his scheme is throw it inside and let a big go 1 on 1 because of proximity to the hoop and “higher percentage shot”.
It’s the same reason on the Elite 8 Oregon loss team that on Landen Lucas’ podcast he mentioned that even though LL was like the 5th scoring option they’d throw it into him to start the game or when they needed to try and get a bucket. That unfortunately doesn’t work when the guy guarding LL is twice as athletic.
Bill is incredible at scheming up blob plays (literally 1 of 1 here). He is a hof that is of no doubt and the epitome of consistency. He’s a high floor low ceiling coach much like his teams churn out big 12 titles but only 2 ncaa titles.
Bill would rather muddy up a game versus getting out and scoring. It’s why we are the comeback kings because we get down and come roaring back cause we have no choice but to get out and fastbreak.
It’s his philosophy on the game that needs a tweak. Not a complete overhaul dudes a stud clearly and his philosophy has worked just fine but if he looks in the mirror and analyzes what he needs to adjust he’d take us to the #nextlevel
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We lost that game cause Josh J got 3 fouls the first half, killed us!
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@kuballin10 Criticizing Self for playing through the post too much is one thing, but I already explained that claiming Self to be a high floor low ceiling coach makes no sense.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Maybe Josh Jackson was one of Selfs’ “pets” whom he randomly decides to love despite being terrible players
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@kjayhawks Juando dunked more than Jwill
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@Jhawk69 That is literally proven true though I have no clue how in your mind you’ve disproved it. We have great records and fall flat in the tourney due to offense and everyone knows Self’s “stuff” he’s gonna run. Easy to scout and he has tendency’s that he’s blatant about.
We play inside out
We guard inside out
Loss to vcu……12/25 from three and we were 2/21
Loss to wsu with traylor playing 17 minutes….10/20 from three and us 6/21. If you remember we played two bigs a ton
Loss to Oregon……11/25 and us 5/25……
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@Crimsonorblue22 Don’t disagree with this but just because Josh got 3 fouls we didn’t have some other good player that could fill the void while 4 other guys from what a 33-5 team couldn’t manage to keep it within 12???
Guys could have stepped up but when u got LL get abused down low and then you lose Josh with 3 fouls (he still played 30 minutes….) that’s what u get
Model of consistency yet struggle and labor to score in the tourney. Can defend all you want but guys at the d1 level knock down shots with hands in their face all the time?
Reminder……Google my second half highlights from the natty in 2022….bucket after bucket with “good defense” being played. Hand in my face what else can u do besides foul me?
@Texas-Hawk-10 still thinks D win’s titles. He’s an Eddie Sutton disciple as well
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@kuballin10 said in Transfer Rumblings:
@Crimsonorblue22 Don’t disagree with this but just because Josh got 3 fouls we didn’t have some other good player that could fill the void while 4 other guys from what a 33-5 team couldn’t manage to keep it within 12???
Guys could have stepped up but when u got LL get abused down low and then you lose Josh with 3 fouls (he still played 30 minutes….) that’s what u get
Model of consistency yet struggle and labor to score in the tourney. Can defend all you want but guys at the d1 level knock down shots with hands in their face all the time?
Reminder……Google my second half highlights from the natty in 2022….bucket after bucket with “good defense” being played. Hand in my face what else can u do besides foul me?
@Texas-Hawk-10 still thinks D win’s titles. He’s an Eddie Sutton disciple as well
Yes, I still think it because it’s still true, but you don’t realize that because of how far up Dan Hurley’s ass your head is.
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I’ll also say it one more for you. KU’s defense next season will be the worst of the Bill Self era because none of the incoming transfers know what that word even means. If KU reaches the Sweet 16, you’re going to try and throw that in my face like I give a shit if KU loses in the round of 32 or Sweet 16 if they don’t win a title or reach the Final Four.
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@kuballin10 I had great coaches and learned from good ones, always believe in D!
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We don’t play great D starting 2nd half, we lose. Your remy couldn’t save us.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 https://kenpom.com/index.php?s=RankAdjOE
Click on adjusted O for the champs the last 10 years
Then do adjusted D and get back to me on what wins
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@Texas-Hawk-10 You don’t think a hof coach can reach defense? His inside out scheme is off but he can coach guys to defend easier than making a Juan into Frank mason
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I tracked this awhile ago, the difference between offense and defense on KenPom is like 2.5 spots, something like 4 to 6.5. In terms of distribution, offense has a wider one (goes from 1 to about 40) than defense (only 1 below 20)
