KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread
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I get really sick of hearing about Marcus smarts flip on our court!
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Skkehdhdklskdhddpdhgqksosg that dude
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@BeddieKU23 Iād rather talk about his FLOPS!
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The Jayhawksā final record in 2022: 36-5 with one national championship.
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I fear we may have a season where our guys are too complacent going into games. Itās hard to followup a National Championship year as it is hard to stay motivated while we take the best shot from everyone.
Our first half energy level was horrible. Our second half energy was better, but still was not jacked upā¦ just better. The incremental difference made the game score change dramatically because when we have high energy we are capable of beating anyone, including blowing out anyone. But when we come out with subpar energy we could lose to just about anyone.
I hope this isnāt what we should expect moving forward, mostly because this team has plenty of talent and capability to defend and move the ball like very few teams we have ever had.
Not sure where our defense went (especially in the first half) but we sure are missing those steals that end in run outs!
I suspect Self will be on them heavy for this performanceā¦ as he should be.
Butā¦ at least we got the win and these kinds of wins are crucial as we get the āWā while also making it a learning experience.
Kudos to OSU and Thompson for maintain good composure and bringing game!
KJ has such a soft touch in mid-range. He definitely is establishing himself as an offensive weapon. He is playing smart to go right up with shots in the paint instead of coming down and setting up for shots (bound to get blocked by taller players).
Gradeyās two offensive boards were crucial in this victory and lead to made treysā¦ but in many ways he is being exposed as a freshman now until he figures out how to get the right shot off for his treys. Now is when he could really use the help of some NBA shooters. Like how he mentioned Steph Curryā¦ he would be a great one to learn fromā¦ even watching his tape should be helpful.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@approxinfinity said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
I would argue with you about kevins block not being clean but app still sucks, couldnt rewind to check
It was a foul. The block itself was clean, but the body contact shouldāve been called. These refs were just really inconsistent with what was or wasnāt a foul throughout the game and that was really frustrating to me.
Agree it was a foul. That said, almost no team is getting that call on the road in that spot.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@approxinfinity said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
I would argue with you about kevins block not being clean but app still sucks, couldnt rewind to check
It was a foul. The block itself was clean, but the body contact shouldāve been called. These refs were just really inconsistent with what was or wasnāt a foul throughout the game and that was really frustrating to me.
I concur. Seems like one or two were new to B12 games. Doug Sirmons, Keith Kimble, Bret Smith? Anyone know? Iām sure new refs in an atmosphere like AFH must be pretty intimidating!
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@drgnslayr said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@approxinfinity said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:I would argue with you about kevins block not being clean but app still sucks, couldnt rewind to check
It was a foul. The block itself was clean, but the body contact shouldāve been called. These refs were just really inconsistent with what was or wasnāt a foul throughout the game and that was really frustrating to me.
I concur. Seems like one or two were new to B12 games. Doug Sirmons, Keith Kimble, Bret Smith? Anyone know? Iām sure new refs in an atmosphere like AFH must be pretty intimidating!
Doug Sirmons isnāt. Iāve disliked him for a while.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich wasnāt it his call too?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@KirkIsMyHinrich wasnāt it his call too?
Unsure
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@jayballer67 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Is Udeh hurt or just not playing?
They said Ernest- - -just isnāt getting it. - - ya think ? ā if he is getting passed over by Cam Martin then there is something wrong for sure
I must be getting my KU bigs confusedā¦didnāt Udeh start the season as our first big?
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Is Udeh hurt or just not playing?
They said Ernest- - -just isnāt getting it. - - ya think ? ā if he is getting passed over by Cam Martin then there is something wrong for sure
I must be getting my KU bigs confusedā¦didnāt Udeh start the season as our first big?
Yes sir. Heās just not ready yet.
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Is Udeh hurt or just not playing?
They said Ernest- - -just isnāt getting it. - - ya think ? ā if he is getting passed over by Cam Martin then there is something wrong for sure
I must be getting my KU bigs confusedā¦didnāt Udeh start the season as our first big?
Yes sir. Heās just not ready yet.
Great kid, has a lot to work on.
Zuby definitely looks more ready to contribute currently.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Is Udeh hurt or just not playing?
They said Ernest- - -just isnāt getting it. - - ya think ? ā if he is getting passed over by Cam Martin then there is something wrong for sure
I must be getting my KU bigs confusedā¦didnāt Udeh start the season as our first big?
No actually itās been KJ from day one - - BUT Udeh had been the 1st big off the bench , canāt find the floor now. - -he made it on for like the last 2 seconds today to try and protect the rim is what Coach Self said afterwards
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@BShark said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Saw some people comparing KJ to Jamari. We can stop that right now.
Honestly, and I may be off here, but to me a great comparison for KJ is Mark Vital.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@BShark said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@KirkIsMyHinrich Boynton is the best coach we have went up against sinceā¦honestlyā¦ Ricky?
No bad coaches in the B12 now that Weber is gone. I was trying to rank them all the other day and was having trouble with it.
Let me help - #1 Bill Self ā¦then the rest.
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Even Ochai had some trouble adjusting to how teams guarded him and he was a senior. Gradey is definitely being schemed against, almost every time he caught the ball a defender had a hand in his face so it was a well executed plan. Gradey has an elite shot but he has a ways to go off the bounce from a speed/shiftyness ability. Teams have seen that on film and found some success slowing him down. Itās pretty telling what opposing coaches think of Gradey when they are trying to shut down your 2nd leading scorer, whoās a freshman. I thought Gradey could have done more of what he usually does when he gets guarded that way is to utilize the back cut for layups etc. Didnāt see a lot of that from anyone tbh but especially Gradey whoās skilled at this. It makes a defensive player guarding him adjust. Freshman moments. I was very happy with his effort plays yesterday which helped the team win.
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Great to see KJās development and his confidence.
Bryce T looks like a totally different player now, good for him.
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@AsadZ said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Bryce T looks like a totally different player now, good for him.
Not trying to sound bitter but that game was an anomaly for him statistically compared to the year so far.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bryce-thompson-1.html
Heās been a net drain offensively. Volume guy but not particularly good.
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Thatās good to know
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Yesterday reminded me of last year. This was Miami/UNC all over again. We held them to 28% shooting in the 2nd half. Itās like we put a big clamp on other teamās offenses the 2nd half. The CLAMP lives!
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@Jethro my only concern is that this team seems to know they can flip a switch and make things happen. That can be a dangerous mindset. Iād rather the switch be stuck in the on position.
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@benshawks08 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@Jethro my only concern is that this team seems to know they can flip a switch and make things happen. That can be a dangerous mindset. Iād rather the switch be stuck in the on position.
Playinā with fireā¦it works until it doesnāt.
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BTW, KJ has scored over 10 points in 6 straight.
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Kjraymond Green.
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Anybody know kjās ft stats from say last 6 games? Heās really improved
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Anybody know kjās ft stats from say last 6 games? Heās really improved
11/14 so just under 79%
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I saw Kevin!(s) block from the front, doesnāt look like he comes down on Bryce. Bryce falls forward on his own so Kevin has room to come down without landing on him. I know I know. But it doesnāt look like he follows thru on his body
trust me.
Honest
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@BeddieKU23 thx stats man! Heās really improved, all around!
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Even Ochai had some trouble adjusting to how teams guarded him and he was a senior. Gradey is definitely being schemed against, almost every time he caught the ball a defender had a hand in his face so it was a well executed plan. Gradey has an elite shot but he has a ways to go off the bounce from a speed/shiftyness ability. Teams have seen that on film and found some success slowing him down. Itās pretty telling what opposing coaches think of Gradey when they are trying to shut down your 2nd leading scorer, whoās a freshman. I thought Gradey could have done more of what he usually does when he gets guarded that way is to utilize the back cut for layups etc. Didnāt see a lot of that from anyone tbh but especially Gradey whoās skilled at this. It makes a defensive player guarding him adjust. Freshman moments. I was very happy with his effort plays yesterday which helped the team win.
Itās very easy to expect more out of Gradey every game after seeing that pure shot. But to shoot that shot heās gotta get open. That didnāt happen at all yesterday.
So far he doesnāt seem to have as good conditioning as other players. Wonder why that is, or if Iām imagining it.
He forced lots of shots yesterday. Thatās fine, we need him to shoot, but the coaching staff needs to find a way to get him open. It sure doesnāt seem like he run off screens like Och used to do to get open. Or maybe our screens arenāt as good?
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@BShark said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@AsadZ said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Bryce T looks like a totally different player now, good for him.
Not trying to sound bitter but that game was an anomaly for him statistically compared to the year so far.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bryce-thompson-1.html
Heās been a net drain offensively. Volume guy but not particularly good.
Seems we ALWAYS have one of those guys every year
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He is playing a lot of minutes and we may forget heās only played 13 games here. I do see him getting tired at times and I think thatās just part of his development. He is by no means a finished product physically. Same with adjusting to getting open etc, games like this help him learn and adjust going forward. Film can point out and coaching can continue to work on it. This team did not move the ball great until the 2nd half and Gradey is sort of dependent on getting setup to score at times and the way he was guarded was disadvantageous.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 thx stats man! Heās really improved, all around!
He sure has. Really love his progression, heās showing why he was good in HS even though he was undersized. Playing to his athletic ability and making the opportunities he gets count.
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@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
He is playing a lot of minutes and we may forget heās only played 13 games here. I do see him getting tired at times and I think thatās just part of his development. He is by no means a finished product physically. Same with adjusting to getting open etc, games like this help him learn and adjust going forward. Film can point out and coaching can continue to work on it. This team did not move the ball great until the 2nd half and Gradey is sort of dependent on getting setup to score at times and the way he was guarded was disadvantageous.
Oklahoma State had an amazing first half on both sides of the ball. First iāve seen em play this year, but guessing they played out of their gourds.
Somehow they were able to shut down our 3 pt line, AND any inside penetration.
Credit their effort and strategy. Both Wilson and Gradey affected.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
He is playing a lot of minutes and we may forget heās only played 13 games here. I do see him getting tired at times and I think thatās just part of his development. He is by no means a finished product physically. Same with adjusting to getting open etc, games like this help him learn and adjust going forward. Film can point out and coaching can continue to work on it. This team did not move the ball great until the 2nd half and Gradey is sort of dependent on getting setup to score at times and the way he was guarded was disadvantageous.
Oklahoma State had an amazing first half on both sides of the ball. First iāve seen em play this year, but guessing they played out of their gourds.
Somehow they were able to shut down our 3 pt line, AND any inside penetration.
Credit their effort and strategy. Both Wilson and Gradey affected.
Oh definitely they shot the 3 in the first half well above average and then thankfully they came back down to earth in the 2nd. Bryce Thompson made 7 3ās, against his old team so definitely an one-off type of game there. Him and Wright made several highly contested shots that were lucky looking. We allowed them to get confident in that first half and that played a part in their ability to make shots.
I respect Boynton, he really knows how to get his team to play well in Allen Fieldhouse. Always sound defensively and coaches them up well.
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Yesā¦
There are two big reasons why teams focus on Gradey.
Firstā¦ if heās left open he will quickly score treys in bunches.
Secondā¦ if he is guarded closelyā¦ he wonāt!
What is Gradeyās biggest skill? Itās getting shots up quickly with speed and perfect form. That is greatā¦ but now he needs to put some time in on how to score when guarded. Develop a few moves off the dribble that give him scoring space but also where he is almost as reliable when shooting those shots verses being wide open. Heāll get there. He will get there because he has uncanny ability to learn the physical parts of basketball. He doesnāt have that much of a background as a sharp shooter like he is nowā¦ he used to be a slasher more than a smooth jump shooter.
Then think about other parts of the gameā¦ like reboundingā¦ muscling up on defense. seeing more floor (like Juan does). Goshā¦ imagine if he stayed at KU for 4 years? We might win a couple more Natties if he did!
I feel pretty sure he is magnetized on Steph Curryās gameā¦ who isnāt? But Iād like to see him study Luka Doncic. A guy who doesnāt need perfect athleticism to dominate the league. Heās like the next Larry Bird. He needs about a foot of vertical leap to create scoring space!
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@Jethro Dog fight every game for the next three months.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
Boynton didnāt complain about calls, heās a classy guy. I like him. Said he wouldnāt want to ref. Probably my next favorite coach in big 12
My exact thoughts! We are lucky to have him in the Big 12ā¦ especially at OSU, a school that doesnāt have a great basketball environment. I remember a few years ago when the coach was begging students to come to games. OSU is extremely lucky to have a coach of his quality!
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@Jethro said in KU/Oklahoma St Game Thread:
SOS Update: https://twitter.com/TylerDreiling/status/1609718879047000064
I would put money on Kansas NOT losing 7+ games in conference. Wonāt go undefeated, but those projections are insulting! Lol
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We can use all available tools to create a chip for this team. It is so hard to come back from a Nattie and perform well. We definitely have the talent and coaching to go far this year but it is going to take being a very hungry team to maximize potential.
