Deuces, Kauffman
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I’ve heard Kansas will make a play for the Chiefs
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Wow, that’s a shocker. I’m not always a big fan of tearing down good stadiums, I would dearly love my team to build a new stadium to replace dreadful Sox park. I think it’s holding back the team in some ways. Jerry Reinsdorf is 87 years old and to be honest most Sox fans are waiting for him to go rather impatiently. Maybe new ownership would see the need?
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@wissox The K looks better on TV than it is. Hope the new stadium is a gem and not a modern eyesore in a decade.
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Yeah this had to be done.
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@dylans That’s the trick. Retro is in and since it’s in, many teams have built their retro stadium and none of them really stand out. They’re all nice enough but have any really stood out from the crowd since Camden Yards? Pittsburgh’s and SF’s are fine too but theirs were enhanced by the natural setting. The Yankees just tried to recreate Yankee Stadium which I think worked well. I know the architect for Pittsburgh is a KC guy and I’m guessing he might be very interested in designing it. Should he get it I don’t think they’ll have much to worry about.
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@wissox Agreed, it is difficult to build both a modern marvel and something that will stand the test of time. There are a lot more Astro domes than colosseums.
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What do people want in a stadium? I want a good view of the field, and that’s about it. Some seats not in the sun. Cheaper beer.
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Heard that the favored sites are mostly in the downtown/Crossroads area.
Curious about what the capacity would be. Some of the newer ballparks are actually smaller than their predecessors. In Seattle they built a downtown stadium not unlike Camden Yards with a retractable roof (something that was in the original design for the K and Arrowhead) and a wraparound view of the mountains and Puget Sound from the concourse. Over 10,000 fewer seats than the old Kingdome. Creates demand for the more limited number of tickets; hence, an excuse to raise the prices.
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@nwhawkfan said in Deuces, Kauffman:
Heard that the favored sites are mostly in the downtown/Crossroads area.
Curious about what the capacity would be. Some of the newer ballparks are actually smaller than their predecessors. In Seattle they built a downtown stadium not unlike Camden Yards with a retractable roof (something that was in the original design for the K and Arrowhead) and a wraparound view of the mountains and Puget Sound from the concourse. Over 10,000 fewer seats than the old Kingdome. Creates demand for the more limited number of tickets; hence, an excuse to raise the prices.
I would expect a smaller venue for sure.
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@dylans said in Deuces, Kauffman:
@wissox Agreed, it is difficult to build both a modern marvel and something that will stand the test of time. There are a lot more Astro domes than colosseums.
Funny thing about the Astrodome. As far as I can tell it’s the last of the “one-size-fits-all” stadiums still standing, though it’s been dormant for years. It does have a historic designation that prevents it from being torn down, at least for the time being.
As for Riverfront, Three Rivers, The Kingdome, Busch Stadium (the second)…all gone. In reality, that round, one-size-fits-all design concept of the 1960s and 70s didn’t fit either football or baseball very well.
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@nwhawkfan I went to the Houston stadium next to the Astrodome a few years back and was just amazed how it dwarfed the astrodome. I had never been in Houston at that point so I have no prior knowledge of what the Astrodome looked like before their current dome.
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@wissox Andrew Benintendi - Nice signing by Chi Sox
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@AsadZ I think so. They also signed Billy Hamilton which sounds like a whoopde do signing but with the new rules limiting pick offs means he’s likely to steal base every time he gets on. The rule is going to be shortlived I hope because it’s the worst rule change in any sport ever!
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@wissox what pickoff rule change is that? (Missed it)
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@wissox We lived in Houston in the early-mid 80’s. We spent a ton of time at the Astrodome and we had a blast!! The right field tickets were $2. Parking was free, I believe. Hot dogs and beer were a couple of bucks each. And the place was always packed.
My favorite guy at the Astrodome - the beer vendor who shouted above the crowd noise:
GET YER BEER HERE! COLDEST FOAM IN THE 'DOME!
Good times.
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@dylans The base is bigger giving runners a 4 inch head start to 2nd. The pitcher is allowed two pickoff attempts. If he attempts a third the result needs to be the runner thrown out (which may happen more in this scenario) or the if the pitcher fails the runner is awarded the next base. Willie Wilson would have stolen 200 bases if this was a rule for him. Ricky H maybe 250?
It essentially allows a pitcher 1 pickoff attempt because if he fails on the 2nd, then he’s really stuck so he’s only going to use it in a sure thing situation.
It was part of an attempt to speed up the game. The pitch clock is coming this season I believe also and that absolutely will make games shorter. There wasn’t really a need to change pickoff rules because stealing base has become far less important in todays game.
It’s an absolute nightmare of a rule change. Unless you like intentional walks because when guys steal, there’s going to be more IBB’s as well because teams will want to set up a force again.
That being said, it will be interesting to watch teams adjust. Speedsters like Billy Hamilton are going to be changing games. Some teams will strategize to avoid others running wild on them.
But I don’t like it…At all.
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The Kansas City Chiefs and the Kansas City Royals today announced their commitment to remain in Jackson County if Jackson County voters approve an extension of the 3/8-cent sales tax on a ballot initiative this April. The Chiefs and the Royals have partnered with Jackson County for 50 years in a partnership that has worked well for all constituents.
As part of the proposed agreement between the teams and Jackson County, the teams have agreed to provide more than $200 million in new economic benefits to Jackson County over 40 years in a new lease agreement, alleviating the County’s obligation to pay stadium insurance premiums as well as the park levy to the teams. Under the agreement, the Chiefs will conduct an extensive renovation to iconic Arrowhead Stadium. The Royals will build a new downtown stadium and privately fund a $1 billion ballpark district.
The teams have not sought any increase in the existing sales tax and have committed to providing the County with significant additional benefits by:
Paying for insurance coverages for their respective facilities – costs currently paid by the County – for the extension term of the Chiefs’ lease and new term of the Royals’ lease. This will result in a cost savings to the County of approximately $80 million to $100 million over the course of the extended and new term of the leases.
Providing the County the ability to reallocate each team’s share of an existing park property tax for other County uses for the extension term of the Chiefs’ lease and new term of the Royals’ lease. This will allow the County to utilize approximately $140 million for other County purposes over the course of the extended and new term of the leases.
The teams are committed to entering into a robust community benefits agreement similar to agreements provided by other NFL and MLB teams for other venues providing for various initiatives that will benefit the citizens of Jackson County.
The teams are appreciative of the City’s efforts to provide assistance and development structures that will also facilitate these exciting projects. These efforts are also contemplated to specifically benefit the County.
The partnership between Jackson County, the Chiefs and Royals has been a tremendous success over the past 50 years, and directly responsible for much of the great momentum our hometown has built. The framework described here is a significant financial benefit for Jackson County, collaboratively built around concerns expressed by the County Executive and other local leaders, and provides a further boost to Kansas City and the region for decades to come.
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Well this is getting complicated https://x.com/sammcdowell11/status/1748100257676665169?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ
(also White is correct, taxpayers almost always get totally fleeced in stadium deals)
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@FarmerJayhawk I’d like to be among the first to welcome the new pro sports teams to Kansas!
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@dylans ha! As long as I’m not paying for it
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Sox supposedly talking about a new stadium in the south loop. I welcome it.
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There’s still time to vote no if you live in Jackson County
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@FarmerJayhawk Even if you don’t live in Jackson Cty!
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@FarmerJayhawk you’re a no? Send them to Kansas!
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U live in ks
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@Crimsonorblue22 yep. If Sherman and Hunt can’t afford their big projects it’s not up to taxpayers to finance their hobby.
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@FarmerJayhawk what do u think about the location?
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@Crimsonorblue22 not a fan at all. It was going to wipe out a bunch of local businesses either directly or through increased rents. All for a stadium that’s in use 81 days per year. The numbers were always fuzzy to the point of changing monthly. None of it made sense and Jackson County folks saw through it.
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I hope both teams move now.
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@FarmerJayhawk parking would be a nightmare.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Deuces, Kauffman:
@Crimsonorblue22 not a fan at all. It was going to wipe out a bunch of local businesses either directly or through increased rents. All for a stadium that’s in use 81 days per year. The numbers were always fuzzy to the point of changing monthly. None of it made sense and Jackson County folks saw through it.
I think the Royals should have had to commit to a top 15 payroll on average for the life of the tax. 81 times is a lot of times to fill a building, but it has to be mostly full… But a perennial loser with ownership that won’t spend money is a non-starter.
