2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc
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@kuballin10 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Juan looks hesitant when shooting the three he needs to shoot it with confidence like he practiced (or should have been) them all season.
No clue what he did but chucking 1000 threes a day and floaters should have been the requirement
Gradey needs more shots
Kj needs to just drive hard right every time. He’s so quick and built you can’t stop him. He did this one for a little one handed shot in the lane in the 2nd half and I about fell out of my chair. If he can do that we are legit modern ball
If KJ somehow becomes a threat to score we will be very dangerous.
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Updated for the Southern U win…
Jalen is elite. Jank has been shutdown for the season to protect his draft stock
Jalen might hit 1000 by end of December at this rate
Kenny hates us
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Updated post Bahamas Tourney. Not that great…
Points update
PER’s
Kenpom. In the Self Era this team is slightly better so far then the 20/21 Covid squad. 2nd lowest rated squad in the Self era. The other 3 teams with similar rating, did not win the Big-12. Something to monitor for expectations.
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Wonder what practice will be like this week.
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How much practicing will they actually do?
Recap since Friday- Friday night game. Fly home Saturday, film, rest, maybe a light walk through? Practice for Texas Southern Sunday. Game tonight. Tuesday, rest/ etc. Wednesday practice for Seton Hall, Game Thursday.
I know I’m not expecting much uptick this week given injuries and what not.
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@BeddieKU23 Heroic of Jank to step in in a tough situation and tank his PER. Really gonna hurt his draft stock, but still elite.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
How much practicing will they actually do?
Recap since Friday- Friday night game. Fly home Saturday, film, rest, maybe a light walk through? Practice for Texas Southern Sunday. Game tonight. Tuesday, rest/ etc. Wednesday practice for Seton Hall, Game Thursday.
I know I’m not expecting much uptick this week given injuries and what not.
If anything we want to make sure they are rested for tonight.
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Wondering if they upped his NIL deal in order for him to enter the game. Protect him at all cost.
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
How much practicing will they actually do?
Recap since Friday- Friday night game. Fly home Saturday, film, rest, maybe a light walk through? Practice for Texas Southern Sunday. Game tonight. Tuesday, rest/ etc. Wednesday practice for Seton Hall, Game Thursday.
I know I’m not expecting much uptick this week given injuries and what not.
If anything we want to make sure they are rested for tonight.
Yeah Tejas Southern shouldn’t challenge us but these guys are tired and that’s not going to change in 2 days. I would expect to see the same level of play that we just saw in the Bahamas. Some good, some bad and a lot in the middle
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Practice time during the school year generally is so limited they won’t do much.
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Updated post Tejas Southern beatdown
Points
Jalen getting close to 1,000 real fast. Going to be very interesting to start tracking how high he can climb up the list. Zach has yet to score this season in 37 minutes, major disappointment there.
PER’s
Big jump for MJ Rice after the 19 point outburst. We’d all love to see that unleashed more going forward. Udeh is trending hard in the wrong direction.
Kenpom
Sagarin, Bracket Matrix & Massey added to trend as the season progresses.
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Jank fell off a c l i f f
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You know by now they didn’t leave till 6 am sun?
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Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He’d been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
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@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He’d been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
I’m thinking of starting a " don’t yank the Jank" fanclub.
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Guessing he wanted a mulligan on that 3 attempt
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Right now on Kenpom the Big-12 has 8 of the top 30 defenses in the country.
Only Baylor #75 is outside the Top 40. Baylor has the #2 ranked Offense so Jekyll/Hyde going on.
On Offense only 2 Big-12 teams are in the Top 30 not including KU. Expanding out to the Top 50, only 6 teams.
There is going to be a lot of 52-48 type games in the Big-12 if these trends continue
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Still things to work out but as of right now…
I looked up similar team profiles to the current KU team on Torvik. Unsurprisingly 2019 and 2021 KU are listed. Self one of the few coaches that even wins a tournament game. Some teams missed the tournament like 2018 LVille and PSU.
Things could change if we can get some bench production out of Joe/MJ, or really anything out of the 5 spot but that’s what it looks like at the moment.
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Dusted this one out, Kenpom comps in the Self Era. Look how similar this years team is to a few others. This might be our ceiling (hopefully not) but it is an early warning of what might be. This is a bottom 4 squad since Self has been here so far.
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@BeddieKU23 Feels right to me unless we start getting bench production. I feel fairly confident we won’t win the league.
I’m fairly excited for next year, depending on who stays.
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@BShark who do you think will, Texas? I think we will be right in there.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Texas has a legitimate chance to go undefeated in league play but I’d guess they lose 1-2.
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My days of doubting Self winning the league are long gone. I don’t think we are in any position to win the league currently, but we’ll see how this month goes. League play is where Self always finds a way to get the upper hand.
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Texas has looked sharp, athletic at every position and outside shooting hasn’t hurt them, yet. They play Creighton & Illinois back to back. The game they beat Gonzaga stands out & if they play at that level it will be difficult to match them.
Convenient in the Big-12 schedule, KU travels to Texas for the last regular season game which could also have championship implications on the line.
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@Jethro said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He’d been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
I’m thinking of starting a " don’t yank the Jank" fanclub.
Unfortunately, I’m afraid not yanking the Jank is what brought us here. I mean, I’m still a fan, but the numbers now show he is actually only the 4th best player on the team instead of a statistical superstar destined for the league. The numbers still don’t lie. With that said, based on the numbers I would still start him next game.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
My days of doubting Self winning the league are long gone. I don’t think we are in any position to win the league currently, but we’ll see how this month goes. League play is where Self always finds a way to get the upper hand.
While it is unrealistic to expect any of our current bigs to develop at the same speed or get to the same level as Embiid, with time and effort, most bigs get better at Kansas. I think freshman Doke is a good comparison for Udeh. He doesn’t have the same dominating presence on size alone, but his length and athleticism can be special if properly directed.
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I thought Udeh reminded me of young Dave the last 2 weeks. They are completely different players but the immaturity they show on the court is/was similar at this stage. Udeh likes to take himself out of every play by jumping for blocks he can’t make or misjudging offensive rebounds/putbacks which then has him out of position for basically everything. He needs a ton of practice working on screens as well.
I can’t lie I’ve been really disappointed with Ernest but I had some higher expectations coming in then I probably should have. He’s sped up and being asked to play before he’s ready so it’s not his fault per say. I knew he was raw coming in but had the right tools to mold. If we had an experienced post player like we are used to having he probably only sees mop up minutes so having him out there before he’s seasoned enough is what we are currently seeing. He just looks so wild out there and not in a good way. I know in due time he’ll be fine.
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KU’s freshmen bigs are raw. Very raw. I knew Udeh was raw. I thought Ejifor was a bit more polished, but he is more raw than I expected from his HS performances. We may get something from them in spurts, but I don’t expect much consistency from them.
One of the tough transitions for bigs from HS to college, especially P5, is that the guards are tons better than what they are used to seeing. You think you can block a shot because HS guards can’t hit that floater. Guys in college can, and they are good at baiting you out of position (or into a foul) by hesitating that split second, or lofting the ball just out of your reach. They will draw you up the lane, then hit the cutter behind you where most HS players can’t make that pass, or don’t have a teammate with the awareness to cut into that open area. That’s why a good freshman big is so startling, and why those types of players usually aren’t in college for very long.
I think both Ejifor and Udeh will be good eventually. I think they will both help KU win games this year. But there will also be moments where you want to throw the remote because they are so raw and will make mistakes. But they have to play. Self can’t give in to the temptation to just ride his perimeter guys. He needs Ejifor and Udeh because he will need their size. Clemence too, because he’s the only one of those three that has an offensive game other than “lob threat” right now.
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@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@Jethro said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@benshawks08 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Really surprised to see Jank as our 4th best player. He’d been so strongly leading in the early games. It just goes to show how razor thin the margin between superstar and walk on really are. Injuries really put him in a tough spot the last few games and missing that 3 was just a critical error that could have long lasting implications for his future stock.
I’m thinking of starting a " don’t yank the Jank" fanclub.
Unfortunately, I’m afraid not yanking the Jank is what brought us here. I mean, I’m still a fan, but the numbers now show he is actually only the 4th best player on the team instead of a statistical superstar destined for the league. The numbers still don’t lie. With that said, based on the numbers I would still start him next game.
I wouldn’t. They’d take the ball away from him and dunk in his face.
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Based on the numbers, my starters would be Wilson, Dick, Ejiofor, Jank, and Harris. I’d bring Rice in as the first wing off the bench with McCullar getting similar time as a 7th man and use Adams as the first big off the bench. Again, based on the numbers.
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Not Kenpom but stat related. A couple of things that sticking out in our conference: - -the most obvious - -we suck with our free throws, don’t understand that - - 62.3 - -DEAD LAST - 2nd in Conference in assists , kind of weird after had been hearing about our rebounding -we are 3rd in Conference the 3rd best rebounding team. - - 3rd best & 4th in blocks- -couple of area’s I didn’t think we would do that well at taking care of the ball- – negative other then our free throw % 7th in conference in Fg, — 5th in - -3pt shooting
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OK…trivia question. Who has more dunks this season? Juando or Jalen?
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@Jethro Well Jalen has 0 so I’d say Juan.
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@Jethro Well Jalen has 0 so I’d say Juan.
Trick question- they’re both tied … with ZERO.
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O-fer this season. In the past, Juando has had a couple memorable dunks (OK, maybe just one). Wilson has no memorable dunks. Wilson’s legs are huge, like oaken logs, solid for horizontal movement or cabin construction, but like lead weights for leaping.
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On the other hand, Selden clanked more dunks off the rim than the two of them combined have made dunks
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
If KJ somehow becomes a threat to score we will be very dangerous.
If KJ had just a bit more polishing he would be outrageously lethal in the post… and also against footers.
What he lacks in size he makes up with strength, speed, and hustle.
Give him some post moves… head/body/ball fakes… knowledge how to use his body to go into the defenders and then create just enough scoring space…
He would foul out all but a few 5s and all 5s would be afraid to guard him.
And he would OWN the boards!
Yes… that lethal!
Hey KJ… you out there? Read the book about Chab (Charles Barkley)!
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My question: when is this team going to become even mildly prolific at lobs? Holy smoly, guys…
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Stats are tools and useful to some degree… but somewhere they lose value… kind of like driverless cars. So the car approaches an intersection with someone running a red light… there is a 70 yr old woman crossing with her groceries and a skateboarder boarding across… which does it decide to potentially kill?
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@drgnslayr Are you saying you don’t agree with my proposed starting line up using statistics only? Wow. That hurts.
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@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
If KJ somehow becomes a threat to score we will be very dangerous.
If KJ had just a bit more polishing he would be outrageously lethal in the post… and also against footers.
What he lacks in size he makes up with strength, speed, and hustle.
Give him some post moves… head/body/ball fakes… knowledge how to use his body to go into the defenders and then create just enough scoring space…
He would foul out all but a few 5s and all 5s would be afraid to guard him.
And he would OWN the boards!
Yes… that lethal!
Hey KJ… you out there? Read the book about Chab (Charles Barkley)!
I think a large part of us being better with KJ is simply the fact that he isn’t playing inside. If you are posting a guy up he better be good at it. This way we keep the paint open.
I think rebounding will always be an issue for him. He tries so that isn’t the issue.
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@BShark Exactly, effort isn’t the issue. But it might be about WHEN he tries. He goes after rebounds but is almost never in position to get a rebound. This could be a result of him playing outside of the pain on purpose to open up the lane for drives or just not doing his work early enough when the shot goes up or even earlier.
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@drgnslayr said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
My question: when is this team going to become even mildly prolific at lobs? Holy smoly, guys…
I think they should calm down on the lob until they practice it some more. Execution of that play has lacked because of chemistry etc. I don’t think our guards have done a good job of selling the lob and I don’t think our bigs have done a good job of catching and finishing either. It’s looked rough lately especially since teams know its coming
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@BeddieKU23 They looked good the first few games but since then the defense has been playing more to stop the lob than the actual guy with the ball. We’ve thrown them anyway.
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We have to remember KJ hasn’t spent a lot of time playing or practicing exclusively as the 5 so I do think some of his issues are still comfort and game reps. Rebounding is not a strength of his and its weird because we never have to question effort but you do wonder what additional effort it will take to get him to be more effective
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Yup film has hurt them recently. I think it comes from teams not respecting our guards to finish at the rim. Harris is getting a paint touch and he’s probably looking to dish it. Bobby hasn’t been a scorer at all and really likes to look for that lob when he gets to the middle of the paint area. Yesufu is the guy I think a defense would respect to shoot it and is someone that would have an easier time baiting the big to hedge a step more to set it up. I just think they need practice to figure it out
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@BeddieKU23 Offensive rebounding is more of an effort stat and he is fine there. Dave was a better offensive rebounder as well but he wasn’t abysmal defensively.
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For sure KJ is pretty good at those 50/50 balls on offense.
I think Dave’s size especially in the latter parts of his Jr & Sr seasons became a factor with him rebounding better. He got smarter and through game reps he learned positioning.
KJ doesn’t have that luxury (size) & he’s playing out of position first and foremost. Game reps and experience though should sharpen him a bit with boarding
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Being undersized helps on the offensive boards, but hurts on the defensive glass.
On defensive rebounds, you have to get physical with your man and box him out. Trouble is, if you are significantly undersized (and at 6-7, KJ is very undersized for a 5), it can be hard to hold that position because you have to move that guy out, otherwise you don’t have an advantage when the ball comes off the rim.
On offensive rebounds, though, being undersized doesn’t necessarily hurt you because you can get off box outs with your quickness and hit gaps to knife in for rebounds before guys can make contact with you. Having big guys always helps on the glass, but it helps more on defense because if you get superior position, you have an advantage.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
I think they should calm down on the lob until they practice it some more. Execution of that play has lacked because of chemistry etc. I don’t think our guards have done a good job of selling the lob and I don’t think our bigs have done a good job of catching and finishing either. It’s looked rough lately especially since teams know its coming
It’s just a great indicator of how far we are away from playing good team offense. Timing, spacing, connecting… these guys need practice time… but down the road… wow, what potential!
