Jayhawk Becomes World Select Bird... And More...
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@HighEliteMajor I thought we couldn’t use any pros??
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Posted: Today 10:30 AM Re: KU to participate in 2015 World University Games Here are the Eligibility Rules directly from the games website:
2015 Games Requirements
The Universiades and Championships are open to all student athletes that have not been out of university or its equivalent for more than a year and that are between 17 and 28 years old. Any association or national federation which is recognized by the US-IUSF (and in turn, FISU) is eligible to nominate a team or individual competitor in a sport represented in the current World University Games competition.
Each athlete must meet the following specific criteria in order to be eligible.
United States Citizen and able to obtain a US Passport. Born between January 1, 1987 and December 31, 1997. For basketball, the athlete must be born after January 1, 1990 and before December 31, 1997. Have taken at least one 3-credit course towards a degree or diploma within the last year before the GAMES. Incoming freshman and transfers are usually eligible. Sign the Comprehensive Acceptance of Team USA Agreements form. Sign the Team USA Honor Code and Code of Conduct form. Sign the Team USA Authorizations, Waiver and Release Form.Also, from the USA Basketball Website: Once the rules were changed, however, the NBA was invited to become a part of USA Basketball, and it was determined that NBA players would play in the Olympics and World Championships with college and other young players continuing to represent the U.S. in all other international competition.
So it looks like it’s a USA basketball rule and only members of the team next year that haven’t declared for the NBA can play. Last edited Today 10:37 AM by jatrain
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@Crimsonorblue22 Ok, so the thought of using former KU players isn’t of much value because most all of them are playing professionally, or at least the ones we would want to play? I guess the 17-24 thing quoted by @drgnslayr from the article is confusing there. Sounds like it might not really apply to us since our guys play professionally after leaving.
And I wonder how the 17-24 thing works vs. the 17-28 age range in your post?
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@HighEliteMajor sounds like they had to be enrolled in the past year too, besides incoming athletes. Have no idea which one is right on the age! Looks like it will be a team that will be on our 2015 roster.
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This is outstanding news!!!
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You know what we could do to fill out the roster? Have guys like Justin Wesley (don’t laugh @HighEliteMajor) or Kevin Young enroll in one class this upcoming year. They’re not playing professionally, and by enrolling in a class they would be eligible. Just a thought, if we were short, which we know we’ll be at least one player short with Svi not being eligible.
Anyway, this is awesome for our program.
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@icthawkfan316 Well, if it was Justin Wesley, could you imagine the world wide audience, assuming they saw “Jayhawker” (insert the appropriate accent – I like a Chinese accent for this) – “Look, there’s Wilt Chamberlain, greatest of all time.”
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@icthawkfan316 sooooo, hypothetically, if Selby enrolled at KU and took 3 hrs, would he be eligible? Not sure of his age, just wondered. I was also thinking if he could play he could get some exposure and help us at the same time. Crazy thoughts!
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@Crimsonorblue22 I’m sure he’d be young enough.
While I was a big Selby fan and continue to hold out hope he’ll make it, I don’t think that I’d want him on the team. I listed guys like KY & Wesley because they’d be good roster fillers. Also, our front line might be a little thin. However, we won’t have any trouble fielding the perimeter. Those guys should be the ones getting all the reps; reaping all the benefits. I guess as an emergency injury replacement I’d be OK with it.
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What an incredible recruiting advantage and what a great jump into next season with practices with the team and the new super recruits that all the other schools won’t be getting. The other great thing about this is that KU still gets their one in four years Summer trips which also puts us miles ahead of other teams, especially the new kids. HOME RUN ALL AROUND!!!
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@icthawkfan316 I just watched the announcement and I’m confused!!! Sounds like NBA guys could play if they enrolled, and if their agent/team ok’d it. Self said 25 yr old guys too. Anybody else see it?
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@Crimsonorblue22 I know it depends on who leaves, recruits, but it sounded like if we had less than 12 schollie kids Self would be excited to get some older jhawk players. I’m guessing coaches kids wouldn’t be on bench? Who would you like to see go w/us?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Tarik?
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@drgnslayr We got lucky beating Ghana. I know USA is ranked higher-but that can be like taking a pole. Ghana was controlling the ball much better than we were. Fortunately we got one super early and our late goal saved us.
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@HighEliteMajor Chinese accent would read, Rook, there Wilt Chamberin, glatest ahh time.
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@JayhawkRock78 Exactly what I was thinking … perfect!
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Boy did we get lucky. We only had 8 shots on goal… and scored on two of them. That’s an effective “FG%” of 25%!
I think Ghana had something like 30 shots on goal.
I watched the entire game and couldn’t believe we held them to one goal, especially after halftime.
But that was karma coming around… since Ghana has smoked us in the world cup a couple times before.
I did feel sorry for Ghana. They totally outplayed us and lost. That is one of the frustrating elements in soccer… and it no doubt helps viewers become addicted to following it.
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I could see Reed playing for us.
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@HighEliteMajor My daughter played “Kato” in “The Pink Panther” school play so we practiced her accent-sometimes it comes in handy.
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@drgnslayr I was watching with my daughter who plays club soccer-she played on a German tour last summer is so wired about this cup-Last night she was screaming at the TV the whole game-thank goodness we won one so it helps her mood-but even she admits we probably won’t go far.
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When your coach announces to the world (prior to play) that we are not going to win it, how confident can the fans be, and, more important, how confident can the players be? (imagine the impact on media sponsorship, too)
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/jurgen-klinsmann-world-cup-chances
That didn’t exactly make many USA fans happy… along with other comments Klinsmann has made about sports in America:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/michael-wilbon-jurgen-klinsmann
I do believe Klinsmann could use a better agent. One that has a concept of PR.
Good luck with your daughter and her sports endeavors. She seems to be quite talented!
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Yes, both couldn’t believe the coach said that-if anything he should have just done a Bill Self soft sell like, “it’s a big challenge”, etc. Thanks for the well wishes-I’m fortunate tohave a couple of great kids and we are all having lots of fun-she’s a little brainwashed about soccer, and the music she listens to though. But that’s a teen vs an old fart.
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This is cool. Let’s go Jayhawks.
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BIGGEST BENEFIT of playing in competition in July, is that they allow weeks of organized, coached practice prior to the tournament, when usually summer organized practices are a no-no under NCAA rules. Man! We will have a major headstart over other schools prior to November!!!. This is the biggest benefit. Bill Self found a way around the practice restrictions, and it is legal, and it will give KU a ton of publicity. Awesome!
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@ralster huge recruiting tool too! What as awesome opportunity for the kids. Does anyone think he’ll suit up the “sons”? He sure wants to competitive ! I think he said 2 non playing players would be able to go.
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This is just crazy. I’m completely stoked.
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Yes I have had a few beers.
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@DoubleDD That was awesome!!! Better have a few more!!!
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“But that’s a teen vs an old fart.”
The classic confrontation!
I’m a late family starter so in a few years I’ll be experiencing this classic confrontation, too. At least, I hope so. I wouldn’t want my little guy to be just like his old man when he’s young! ha…
Enjoy the times while you have them. Kids grow up too fast!
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‘Hail’ yes!
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@drgnslayr Your quote: “Just imagine what this will do for the sale of Jhawk mdse”…made me think of another direct benefit of all the ‘free’ practice time ku team will get under Self’s meticulous guidance: better execution of ALL phases of basketball.
There is a coaches’ flyer I receive that sells teaching & instructional DVD’s from big-name college coaches (Kryzyewski, Hoiberg, Knight, Auriemma, Donovan, etc) that happens to have several DVD’s from Bill Self: 4 DVD set “open practice”, another dvd set of ballscreen offense + breaking zoneD’s + defensive philosophy and positioning + skill set building…then a few other dvds, including breaking 1-3-1 zone defenses. My point is that Self teaches & expects proper execution in all phases of the game, on both ends of the court. We now see with last year’s squad that if there is too much inexperience on the roster, the team simply cannot execute reliably everything Self teaches. Case in point: zone-busting. Couldnt do it last year, but excelled in yrs past, as his teams usually do great against zones. Self’s playstyle demands MORE repetitions than other playstyles.
Now, of course, this doesnt mean Self cannot tinker with his own philosophy, and interject a new wrinkle to torment opponents with, such as quick inbounds/push the pace changeups (supported by having a deeper roster), for example…
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OH MY GOSH- At the end of the clip other videos pop up including KU AT THE WHITE HOUSE 2008. In the upper left hand corner.
You can see Bill Self wiping the tears of joy from his eyes behind President Bush. Bush also welcomes Danny Manning BACK to the White House. I have a picture in my office of Danny handing a KU letter jacket to President Ronnie Regan at the White House in 1988.
Approx-maybe you can post that with a permanent link with others-as in greatest ku moments?
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I would love to see Adidas do something interesting with the Kansas uniforms with a Red/Crimson White and Blue theme.
I think I’d pay for some apparel with a KUSA logo.
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I wonder if the American fans in attendance will do the Jayhawk chant…it would be super cool and would increase KU’s prestige and exposure worldwide.
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hmmm… Maybe I should say KUSA
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PHOF!!!
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This is sooooooo great for recruiting!!!
Dook had a few down years before consonants started coaching team USA…and since then he’s won a title and consistently gotten better recruits…coincidence?
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All-- you might have noticed that the article says players who were born after 1990 are eligible for this tournament. And you might have wondered “which players from the past few years were born after 1990?”
Thankfully, someone on Scout.com did the research on a pretty interesting thread: Former KU Players Born Between Jan 1, 1990 and Dec 31, 1997
According to that thread, here’s the list of qualified players (not counting the members of the current team):
Smalls:
- Tyshawn Taylor - Apr 12, 1990
- Elijah Johnson - July 11, 1990
- Josh Selby - Mar 27, 1991
- Ben McLemore - Feb 11, 1993
- Travis Releford - Feb 22, 1990
Bigs:
- Thomas Robinson - Mar 18, 1991
- Jeff Withey - March 7, 1990
- Kevin Young - Jun 24, 1990
- Tarik Black - Nov 22, 1991
Note: Xavier Henry was born March 15, 1991, so he would also be eligible. There may be others… but the Morris twins were born in 1989, so they are not.
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Could we possibly get Brady to play? Just imagine–the ball wouldn’t stick!
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@KULA I think I read that the new signees for next year will also be eligible to play. That’s an interesting carrot to dangle in front of a prospective signee.
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Where does it say active pros and former pros can play? I don’t see that at all.
The key to the team should be the large number of current roster players with a few years together, plus TADs Oubre and Alexander, plus the rim protector Self will sign, plus what OAD/TADs adidas stacks him with. The ringers will be 1 or 2 top transfers that will be eligible for Korea, but not the regular season.
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@jaybate 1.0 I can’t quote the poster because I don’t remember who, but somebody mentioned USA Basketball rules: NBA players can go to the Olympics and Worlds, but not to other tournaments. So active NBA players are out. As far as other pros (or former NBAers) are concerned, it’s not clear. If Self does go with former players, he obviously will want the best.
Personally, I’m with you: first, convince as many current players as possible to stay through 2015-16; then complete the roster with near future players, not past players.
The bit about transfers being able to play is tantalizing: anybody who transfers after first or second semester of next year would get to play in 8 more games with KU than with any other possible destination. That is a clear and unique advantage for recruiting transfers.
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Nobody would want Brady. He could actually guard, shoot 40% from trey, protect and feed the post. Haven’t you heard? The current rage is high ceilings with low foundations that turn it over, don’t dish, shoot < 38% (33-35% is preferred) and disappear intermittently while waiting to develop later!
Yeeeee hawwwww!
KULA, baby, we gotta get ewe a whole team full uh low foundations, so we can lose 11 games, see one or two high touch high scoring low assist performances, and get bounced early, too!!!
Yeeee hawwwww!
When lousy, fail the eye test Brady started wet behind the ears his first season after a shirt we got to the sweet 16 with non OAD stiffs like Cole and Sherronatron! They too suffered from useless high foundations and playing all out!
Next.
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Thanks for the assist and I envy you putting it more lucidly than me! Rock Chalk!
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@drgnslayr As a hawkeroo working in the Republic of Korea (RoK) for the last 4 years, I’m really looking forward to driving over to Gwangju to see my Jayhawks play. And I’m REALLY looking forward to seeing them play in my own time zone.
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I am writing this 50 times on a chalkboard:
“I will not get pulled into a Brady-debate”
Just a thought – causation, correlation, whatever – Final Four 2008 (Brady doesn’t play). 2009, 2010, 2011 (no Final Fours, two significantly premature exits, Brady plays). Final Four 2012 (Brady doesn’t play).
Or another way, does anyone seriously believe that if Brady would have been on the 2012 team in place of either EJ or Releford, that we get to the championship game? No one believes that. No one can even create that argument. No one can create that fiction.
And that is the most simple point. Brady was a role player. A guy that is best off the bench, and not cast in a starting, big minutes role. When he was cast in that role, he was exposed. In a more limited role, a fine player.
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@HighEliteMajor How about Brady in place of Conner Teahan?
Bonus question: if we went to the U Games after the 2011 season, would Brady have been eligible?
Second bonus question: is Brady the only player who, if you believe every post written about him, had a ceiling lower than his foundation?
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I believe Brady’s lore is increasing w the passing of time and I LOVE it! Revisionist history right before our eyes.
Brady’s memory is similar to that of Scooter Barry just w/out the national title!
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@HighEliteMajor you are right, role player, certainly not a role model!
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@HighEliteMajor Relax. Pretty sure Brady would be too old for the team anyway. Wasn’t the dude like 27 when he finally ran out of eligibility?
