GAME DAY
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@stoptheflop the guy that transferred
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@stoptheflop I wonder who the next, great “Can’t Miss” coach will be?
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@nuleafjhawk said in GAME DAY:
@stoptheflop I wonder who the next, great “Can’t Miss” coach will be?
I’m biased, but Billy Napier from the University of Louisiana. #GeauxCajuns
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I think some are getting just a wee bit paranoid - - just a tinsy bit. If you could find ANYBODY - - - -ANYBODY at all that could come in and turn this crap hole around that these previous Coach’s turned this program around in the Beginning of just their 2nd year - - - HOLLA
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@jayballer67 said in GAME DAY:
I think some are getting just a wee bit paranoid - - just a tinsy bit. If you could find ANYBODY - - - -ANYBODY at all that could come in and turn this crap hole around that these previous Coach’s turned this program around in the Beginning of just their 2nd year - - - HOLLA
I did a count on this the other day, and the middle of the roster (SO & JR) is basically empty. I believe we have something like 23 combined juniors and sophomores on scholarship, compared to 34 freshmen and 22 seniors. 4 are true sophomores, so half the roster is in their first or second year in the program. It’s especially the case along the OL. We’ve got 4 RS seniors, 5 true freshmen, and a bunch of meh in between. Only Bostick and Lott look to be contributors. DB, DL, and WR are in about the same shape. I do wish we could’ve found a legit OL in the 19 class, but the staff did a great job of finding guys that could contribute immediately and long term given they had zero commits coming in and Beaty burned 10 of their counters on blue shirts.
With the numbers as they are, I think 22 will be the breakout year, the rebuild complete in 23. We’ll finally have some real balance in the numbers with all Miles guys, and it looks like the 20-22 groups will be the highest ranked consecutively we’ve had since Mangino. Beaty put together exactly 1 top 60 class (2018), and Miles already has one. We’ll have another one in 21 so long as we keep most of it together. 22 is off to a good start. And the added bonus is they’re all HS guys. I don’t think this staff has offered a JuCo guy since the mad dash when they first got here.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@jayballer67 said in GAME DAY:
I think some are getting just a wee bit paranoid - - just a tinsy bit. If you could find ANYBODY - - - -ANYBODY at all that could come in and turn this crap hole around that these previous Coach’s turned this program around in the Beginning of just their 2nd year - - - HOLLA
I did a count on this the other day, and the middle of the roster (SO & JR) is basically empty. I believe we have something like 23 combined juniors and sophomores on scholarship, compared to 34 freshmen and 22 seniors. 4 are true sophomores, so half the roster is in their first or second year in the program. It’s especially the case along the OL. We’ve got 4 RS seniors, 5 true freshmen, and a bunch of meh in between. Only Bostick and Lott look to be contributors. DB, DL, and WR are in about the same shape. I do wish we could’ve found a legit OL in the 19 class, but the staff did a great job of finding guys that could contribute immediately and long term given they had zero commits coming in and Beaty burned 10 of their counters on blue shirts.
With the numbers as they are, I think 22 will be the breakout year, the rebuild complete in 23. We’ll finally have some real balance in the numbers with all Miles guys, and it looks like the 20-22 groups will be the highest ranked consecutively we’ve had since Mangino. Beaty put together exactly 1 top 60 class (2018), and Miles already has one. We’ll have another one in 21 so long as we keep most of it together. 22 is off to a good start. And the added bonus is they’re all HS guys. I don’t think this staff has offered a JuCo guy since the mad dash when they first got here.
you are exactly right. I checked those numbers a couple of weeks back - - - really young. With what Les and staff is bringing in - -it’s coming , sure it’s frustrating to be the laughing stock for some , but laugh while you can because it IS COMING. - -like you said with all the yout these guys are going to be really solid in their Jr, & Sr years. -We are missing a really big element - - a stud QB. - - - I think Easters will be solid , more solid then we have had in some time not a big time star but a big improvement from what we have had.
The big thing is going to be hanging on to our commits & minimum transfers , couldn’t agree more really impressed with how Les has been able to get High Schools recruits and none of this Juco BS. - -we still gonna take lumps for awhile more just got to keep faith and not start the BS about next Coach - you keep playing that game and you will NEVER get anywhere. - no continuity how the hell you EVER get any kind of talent if your not even sure if the Coach going to be here more then 2-3 years , you start from scratch EVERY time you do that - that gets you exactly no where I still am fully confident in Les and this staff 100 %
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@FarmerJayhawk Agree. While Mac is in his final year of eligibilty we have to play for this season, not next. Look, we’re not going to win many games this year, but winning two or three is better than none.
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@FarmerJayhawk Agree. While Mac is in his final year of eligibilty we have to play for this season, not next. Look, we’re not going to win many games this year, but winning two or three is better than none.
you put him there a dn there goes for sure those 2-3 wins you thought we might have a shot at. You BETTER be looking towards the future if your not then I’m sorry cause the present with MacVittie oh Lord - THAT is NOT a P-5 QB or not even close no wonder he went Juco route.
Had tjhis Conversation with other friends they also said you need to play Daniels this season is gone anyways , Daniels much better then MacVittie already , he needs experience although he has about as much as MacVittie as P-5. Yet Daniels IS the future with him and Easters I think our QB will be much better.
Daniels needs reps - - game reps you have NOTHING to lose at this point , Daniels loses no eligibility will STILL be a Freshman next year but yet he could have a full year of experience under his belt at the same time. - -Be like a Red shirt freshman only with a year of game experience , he is going to be here the four years. If your looking for MacVittie to be that Savior even 2-3 games thats just another wasted year. - -Sure Daniels isn’t going to get you probably anymore then that either but he gets GAME TIME REPS and will be here for 4 more years - -MacVittie this is it - - that makes NO SENSE
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@jayballer67 I hear what you’re saying. To be honest, getting to even 2 wins this year would be a success. Sucks to say, but true.
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@FarmerJayhawk Agree. While Mac is in his final year of eligibilty we have to play for this season, not next. Look, we’re not going to win many games this year, but winning two or three is better than none.
He can come back next year if he wants as well. No idea if he will or not.
@jayballer67 he went JuCo because of a coaching change at Pitt (from Canada to Watson).
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@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk Agree. While Mac is in his final year of eligibilty we have to play for this season, not next. Look, we’re not going to win many games this year, but winning two or three is better than none.
He can come back next year if he wants as well. No idea if he will or not.
@jayballer67 he went JuCo because of a coaching change at Pitt (from Canada to Watson).
hmmmm, no P-5 offers ,other then us in Juco? - Then when you get here you can’t win the starting spot until NOW not a P-5 caliber QB no matter how you twist it around
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@jayballer67 said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk Agree. While Mac is in his final year of eligibilty we have to play for this season, not next. Look, we’re not going to win many games this year, but winning two or three is better than none.
He can come back next year if he wants as well. No idea if he will or not.
@jayballer67 he went JuCo because of a coaching change at Pitt (from Canada to Watson).
hmmmm, no P-5 offers ,other then us in Juco? - Then when you get here you can’t win the starting spot until NOW not a P-5 caliber QB no matter how you twist it around
Which means Daniels, Kendrick, and MacVittie have all the same number of P5 offers sans Kansas. Play the QB that gives us the best chance to win this year, which to me it’s clearly MacVittie.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@jayballer67 said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk Agree. While Mac is in his final year of eligibilty we have to play for this season, not next. Look, we’re not going to win many games this year, but winning two or three is better than none.
He can come back next year if he wants as well. No idea if he will or not.
@jayballer67 he went JuCo because of a coaching change at Pitt (from Canada to Watson).
hmmmm, no P-5 offers ,other then us in Juco? - Then when you get here you can’t win the starting spot until NOW not a P-5 caliber QB no matter how you twist it around
Which means Daniels, Kendrick, and MacVittie have all the same number of P5 offers sans Kansas. Play the QB that gives us the best chance to win this year, which to me it’s clearly MacVittie.
You me and e andevenMother Teresa know where this is headed this year, You take the QB that will be returning and be here FOUR YEARS not one , not even close for a decision to be made - - one more time MacVittie gives you absolutely NO CHANCE ,
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@jayballer67 said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@jayballer67 said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk Agree. While Mac is in his final year of eligibilty we have to play for this season, not next. Look, we’re not going to win many games this year, but winning two or three is better than none.
He can come back next year if he wants as well. No idea if he will or not.
@jayballer67 he went JuCo because of a coaching change at Pitt (from Canada to Watson).
hmmmm, no P-5 offers ,other then us in Juco? - Then when you get here you can’t win the starting spot until NOW not a P-5 caliber QB no matter how you twist it around
Which means Daniels, Kendrick, and MacVittie have all the same number of P5 offers sans Kansas. Play the QB that gives us the best chance to win this year, which to me it’s clearly MacVittie.
You me and e andevenMother Teresa know where this is headed this year, You take the QB that will be returning and be here FOUR YEARS not one , not even close for a decision to be made - - one more time MacVittie gives you absolutely NO CHANCE ,
Again, everyone that says we have nothing to lose is just wrong. This isn’t the NFL where tanking gets you a high pick. If anything, it’s the opposite in college. Play who gives you the best chance each week, otherwise it’s both a disservice to seniors and risks losing some really good 21 guys. I might even be with you if Daniels was an early enrollee and we got a full fall camp. But we got neither so we have to play the guy that at least has the playbook down. We don’t want Daniels to get David Carr’d out there.
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@jayballer67 If Miles or Dearmon thought Daniels was ready, he’d be starting. Throwing someone out there at QB just because they’re a freshman doesn’t mean their development suddenly speeds up. If Daniels gets fed to the wolves before he’s ready, he becomes damaged goods and sets KU back even further in trying to find their QB of the future.
The only offer Daniels had that gives me hope he could play later this season is the Army offer because that tells me there’s some intangibles there that can’t be taught. Jalon Daniels likely still needs to learn the playbook and get reps which he didn’t get a lot of because of Covid cancelling so much practice this summer.
Quite frankly, KU’s future at QB is much more tied to Ben Easters and his development than it is to any of the QB’s currently on the roster because none of them would be starting at any other P5 school.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in GAME DAY:
@jayballer67 If Miles or Dearmon thought Daniels was ready, he’d be starting. Throwing someone out there at QB just because they’re a freshman doesn’t mean their development suddenly speeds up. If Daniels gets fed to the wolves before he’s ready, he becomes damaged goods and sets KU back even further in trying to find their QB of the future.
The only offer Daniels had that gives me hope he could play later this season is the Army offer because that tells me there’s some intangibles there that can’t be taught. Jalon Daniels likely still needs to learn the playbook and get reps which he didn’t get a lot of because of Covid cancelling so much practice this summer.
Quite frankly, KU’s future at QB is much more tied to Ben Easters and his development than it is to any of the QB’s currently on the roster because none of them would be starting at any other P5 school.
I’ll agree with you on this much. Easters is the QB for us unless they find someone else , pull the rabbit out of the hat. Agree with you about that.
As far as Daniels needing reps ? - -Dam straight he needs reps and he sure the hell isn’t getting them standing on the side lines. If MacVittie is supp ose to be the answer then there would of been no QB competition - -they would of said here is the car , NOW DRIVE IT.
Tell you what though you go ahead and trot MacVittie out there and let him show me how ready he is and how many W’s he deliveries. - -Your QB is suppose to be a leader of the team on the field - -he shows me nothing for leadership - -what he looks like is lost , if he is the Savior he would of been starting LSAT YEAR and then return with that experienced Senior season - -he is NO p-5 QB, you tell me he is and I’ll tell you ya and I’m the POPE.
you sure can’t tell what Daniels has by standing on the side lines. - - You start MaVittie then you tell me who we beat with him at the QB ? - - You say Baylor is our best bet - - I would be willing to beat we still get a beat down even by them I’m guessing somewhere around 40-14 MAYBE?
You say Daniels feeding to the wolves being damaged goods - - and I call BS with this kid , Daniels stronger arm , Daniels better footwork , quicker -MacVittie is lost , slow
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@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@jayballer67 said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@jayballer67 said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk said in GAME DAY:
@FarmerJayhawk Agree. While Mac is in his final year of eligibilty we have to play for this season, not next. Look, we’re not going to win many games this year, but winning two or three is better than none.
He can come back next year if he wants as well. No idea if he will or not.
@jayballer67 he went JuCo because of a coaching change at Pitt (from Canada to Watson).
hmmmm, no P-5 offers ,other then us in Juco? - Then when you get here you can’t win the starting spot until NOW not a P-5 caliber QB no matter how you twist it around
Which means Daniels, Kendrick, and MacVittie have all the same number of P5 offers sans Kansas. Play the QB that gives us the best chance to win this year, which to me it’s clearly MacVittie.
You me and e andevenMother Teresa know where this is headed this year, You take the QB that will be returning and be here FOUR YEARS not one , not even close for a decision to be made - - one more time MacVittie gives you absolutely NO CHANCE ,
Again, everyone that says we have nothing to lose is just wrong. This isn’t the NFL where tanking gets you a high pick. If anything, it’s the opposite in college. Play who gives you the best chance each week, otherwise it’s both a disservice to seniors and risks losing some really good 21 guys. I might even be with you if Daniels was an early enrollee and we got a full fall camp. But we got neither so we have to play the guy that at least has the playbook down. We don’t want Daniels to get David Carr’d out there.
Again your wrong. - if your telling me MacVittie gives us the best chance to win - -then GOD have mercy on us - -Hell Kendricks gives us a better chance then MacVittie - - -more of a dual , doesn’t have feet stuck in concrete -sorry tha’ts just insane to say MacVittie gives us the best chance to win.
If he truly gave us the best chance we wouldn’t be in the position or debate of who is going to be the starting QB from week to week , if he is that much better there would be no contest , he would of locked it up from the get go plain and simple, and then the short time he was out even against CC he couldn’t move the ball - -just a waste of our receiving talent that w do have , with him out there
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@jayballer67 “You say Daniels feeding to the wolves being damaged goods - - and I call BS with this kid , Daniels stronger arm , Daniels better footwork , quicker -MacVittie is lost , slow”
None of those attributes means a thing if you can’t make the reads in an RPO based offense and I’m guessing Daniels reads are still way too slow. Since none of those three appear to be the future at QB, play the one with the most in game experience at the college level which is MacVittie.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in GAME DAY:
@jayballer67 “You say Daniels feeding to the wolves being damaged goods - - and I call BS with this kid , Daniels stronger arm , Daniels better footwork , quicker -MacVittie is lost , slow”
None of those attributes means a thing if you can’t make the reads in an RPO based offense and I’m guessing Daniels reads are still way too slow. Since none of those three appear to be the future at QB, play the one with the most in game experience at the college level which is MacVittie.
ok you stick with that- -guarantee IF we get ONE win with him ONE it will be a miracle. Just goes to show that if he is going to be your QB - -then yes you TRULY do suck
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@jayballer67 Jalon Daniels is not the savior of Kansas football in 2020. If he was good enough to be playing now, Miles and Dearmon would be playing him now instead of having him as the 3rd string option.
We all know MacVittie and Kendrick are massively flawed QB’s and nobody here is trying to say either one are good QB’s. It should tell you something when a national title winning head coach and one of best younger offensive minds in the game agree on Daniels not being better than MacVittie or Kendrick yet.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in GAME DAY:
@jayballer67 Jalon Daniels is not the savior of Kansas football in 2020. If he was good enough to be playing now, Miles and Dearmon would be playing him now instead of having him as the 3rd string option.
We all know MacVittie and Kendrick are massively flawed QB’s and nobody here is trying to say either one are good QB’s. It should tell you something when a national title winning head coach and one of best younger offensive minds in the game agree on Daniels not being better than MacVittie or Kendrick yet.
No Prblem buddy , but your NOT convincing me MacVittie should be the starter. - -Just read an article from the LJW giving stats from Saturday game - - - Hell Kendrick did al lot better throwing the ball the MacVittie did moved the team for 2 touchdowns - - MacVittie like 34 yards and NOTHING - -
Les said in his conference meeting he still looking at playing both and even mentioned Daniels also. But it’s ok you go ahead and ride him til the cows come home. - - - Me I’ll take anybody BUT MacVittie - - terirble player , you take him and you can take it to the bank you will have a big fat zero in the W side. - - Your not changing my opinion and obviously I’m not changing yours , so this is pointless to just keep going back and forth. - I know I’ve got better things to do ,MacVittie never has been nor will he ever will be worth being a starting QB at a P-5 school - -but you have a good night anyways - -moving on
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ESPN stats for the CC game shows the QB ratings as: Kendrick 27.6, MacVittie 33.9 and Daniels 18.8. Since Kendrick had the most snaps against CC, I suggest starting him and letting him play the entire first half, no matter what mistakes he makes. Then make adjustments at half time.
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@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:
ESPN stats for the CC game shows the QB ratings as: Kendrick 27.6, MacVittie 33.9 and Daniels 18.8. Since Kendrick had the most snaps against CC, I suggest starting him and letting him play the entire first half, no matter what mistakes he makes. Then make adjustments at half time.
Kendrick only had the most snaps because MacVittie got hurt early in the second half, not because of play or production. If MacVittie is healthy, that’s who should get the majority of the snaps against Baylor.
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Scott over on the phog has a great breakdown of MacVittie. Really cemented in my brain that he deserves the full game Saturday.
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This game has diaster written all over it - -could get ugly reaaaaaaaaaaal easy. - -Looks like quite a few feel the same reading off the phog - most predicting scores of like 35 point or more mugging. - -I can’t disagree I’m looking at like 48-13 some where in there - -we don’t have a QB that can move the team to score near that , could turn into a track meet
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And the plot thickens. There is some talk that Daniels very well might be getting a lot of reps Saturday , we will see. Have discovered that I’m not the only one who thinks that would be a good thing. A lot of others feeling the same way. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Does anyone else get the impression that Coach Miles is disconnected and unenthusiastic about this team? His tv interview before the CC game was embarrassing. He couldn’t think of much to say and seldom looked at the camera. While I don’t like over-enthusiastic statements and hyperbole, it would be nice for a head coach to talk up his team with some confidence. The interview reminded me of Charlie Weis and his downbeat, ready to slit his wrists interviews with the media.
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@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:
Does anyone else get the impression that Coach Miles is disconnected and unenthusiastic about this team? His tv interview before the CC game was embarrassing. He couldn’t think of much to say and seldom looked at the camera. While I don’t like over-enthusiastic statements and hyperbole, it would be nice for a head coach to talk up his team with some confidence. The interview reminded me of Charlie Weis and his downbeat, ready to slit his wrists interviews with the media.
Not especially. He always talks up guys on Hawk Talk and his pressers.
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@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:
Does anyone else get the impression that Coach Miles is disconnected and unenthusiastic about this team? His tv interview before the CC game was embarrassing. He couldn’t think of much to say and seldom looked at the camera. While I don’t like over-enthusiastic statements and hyperbole, it would be nice for a head coach to talk up his team with some confidence. The interview reminded me of Charlie Weis and his downbeat, ready to slit his wrists interviews with the media.
Coach Miles is horrible with interviews , just dosn’t do well. - -Some have brought up even from interviews that maybe something with him health wise - - just so dry. - - BUT having watching him in that series off what was it - - ESPN plus , if you watched him sometimes with the players and how he connected and enter mingled with them - - you could see he has a really good connection with them - -he has some fire in him for sure - -just bad with interviews
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@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:
Does anyone else get the impression that Coach Miles is disconnected and unenthusiastic about this team? His tv interview before the CC game was embarrassing. He couldn’t think of much to say and seldom looked at the camera. While I don’t like over-enthusiastic statements and hyperbole, it would be nice for a head coach to talk up his team with some confidence. The interview reminded me of Charlie Weis and his downbeat, ready to slit his wrists interviews with the media.
Les has never been a good interview going back to OSU. It’s just not his strength.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in GAME DAY:
@stoptheflop said in GAME DAY:
Does anyone else get the impression that Coach Miles is disconnected and unenthusiastic about this team? His tv interview before the CC game was embarrassing. He couldn’t think of much to say and seldom looked at the camera. While I don’t like over-enthusiastic statements and hyperbole, it would be nice for a head coach to talk up his team with some confidence. The interview reminded me of Charlie Weis and his downbeat, ready to slit his wrists interviews with the media.
Les has never been a good interview going back to OSU. It’s just not his strength.
That’s for sure , Interviews are just not for him. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Saw the other day Coach reporting NO COVID 19 cases - - - that’s great news. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
