12 blocks vs C5's 5
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I don’t have any criticism about anything related to last night. I think beating the other number #1 team in triple overtime trumps all else for me. Of course, I’m completely running on fumes today due to the length of the game…but…WE WON !! Let’s take a day and wave the KU banner, and enjoy it!
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@KUSTEVE said:
WE WON !! Let’s take a day and wave the KU banner, and enjoy it!
Amen Jayhawk Brother
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@KUSTEVE Rock Chalk!
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Legit questions. I am not talking about the other guys because every player will have their bad moments here and there and I try to avoid bagging someone for that. However, they have a large enough sample size to show that it is not the norm and over enough minutes they will end up being the best option for the team’s success. In my opinion, that same thing cannot be said for LL. It is the norm for him. Thats the difference.
I’m not saying he is useless. For instance, he would be a decent limited rotation play if we have a big lead and want to slow things down and try to limit the other team’s second chance shots. But the way i see it, for Offensive purposes our other bigs are far better. For playing fast, our other bigs are far better. For blocking shots our other bigs are better. I think all of our bigs struggle with face up D and can cite several examples of poor D by LL last night if you want but I don’t see any of the others being much better. For rebounding, despite his size advantage he is not significantly better than the others and the numbers back that up.
Rock Chalk
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I’m definitely not complaining about the play of Jamari and Landen…
But wasn’t Hunter in the game when we ran up the big first half lead, too?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I am the last person to mistake LL for a great offensive whiz. My response was to the claim that the offense slows down that much when he is in the game. I think that 37 points is not bad against a team that is very highly ranked defensively. I know that this conversation will continue for the rest of this year and also for next since he is a junior.
You are correct that he was in the game to rebound and muscle with OU’s big man and for that he did a good job.
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There’s always room to get better, its true.
But I’ll take 17/17 most any night and give the C5 guys a pat on the butt!!!
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@wrwlumpy We hit shots, but seemed forced at time. I mean, our hold to the end of the period offense is ugly and frankly, usually ineffective lately.
109 points, yeah, but an extra 15 minutes of playing time to get there. I think Jesse Newell commented that this was one of our worst PPP games. That’s what I mean by stale.
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@sfbahawk Really, going to rely on what THOSE announcers had to say?
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@RockkChalkk AMEN
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@Bwag I am not the biggest fan of Dickie V but he has seen more basketball in his life than you would ever dream. I am sure that he knows more about basketball than you ever will. How much has ESPN offered you for your trenchant commentary? I thought so.
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@sfbahawk The guy has one good eye still…not saying isn’t knowledgeable but his head has been so far up Coach K’s and Duke/Carolina’s asses for the last 10 years, not sure what he sees at all anymore.
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@sfbahawk I’d be willing to try him out!
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@sfbahawk And not only NOT ESPN, but no one else either!
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@wrwlumpy - Where’s the rebounding #? I thought we’re talking about room to improve for C5…
BTW, that statistics will worth nothing once other teams figure out how to clip our guards.
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Quick question…which one helps your teams the most…dunk the ball and get two points or draw the foul and get the same two point from the line…these are the two option, no 3 point play. option.
And the answer is…
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@JayHawkFanToo No dunk the ball, get fouled, and get the extra point from the line…option?
The foul and two from the line is the better if truly only those options (but that’s not reality) but this is dependent on shooting 2/2 from line.
Otherwise, realy world, get the sure 2 points with the dunk through contact and the option on the extra.
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@JayHawkFanToo I’m not sure how your condescending question has any relevance to the topic at hand. The play in question could have been a three point play, it was an option. Also, he missed one of the free throws too and being a 61% free throw shooter that is what will happen most of the time in that scenario.
In full disclosure, the missed free throw ended up being rebounded by KU and ultimately a basket via tip in by LL himself. The sequence ended up working out great for KU but statistically we will come out ahead the most by making that initial basket, foul or not.
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@RockkChalkk Lucas’s scoring (5 of 8 points) in the second overtime got us to the third. Everyone else was playing on dead legs for both teams.
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@DanR and what might have happened if we had a second pair of fresh legs in there too? Maybe no need for a 3rd OT.
Of course we won’t know and never will in these what if scenario’s!
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@Bwag I’m comfortable arguing from the position of things that actually happened.
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@DanR Opportunity costs are much harder to 1) see and 2) quantify (because you can’t see them).
Belive in economics it’s when you have distorted incentives on spending/investment, you can measure what occurred, but you can’t as easily see nor measure what would have happened without the distortion.
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@Bwag thanks for the econ advice. I’ve run my own business for 18 years. I’ve chased down many a foolish opportunity at first then built solid relationships with people and companies that are all invested in results, not potential.
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@DanR Wasn’t giving business advice…was thinking more in terms of distorted markets based on regulatory or tax incentives…
But your comment leads back to the results argument on the site…League or NC? I don’t get as hung up on that personally. Though like everyone would like to see both.
Home versus Neutral site, Opponents with outstanding individual performance, results:
Home - OU - win by 3 in 3 OT’s
Neutral - MSU - loss
Away - Game TBD - ???
Note: Tournament games in neutral sites.
What will our results be then? And why?
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Pray tell why is my question condescending? I simply presented a situation not that dissimilar to what actually happened during the game…and more importantly, didn’t he draw that fouls on Hield? it was his third foul and less than a minute later drew the fourth fourth on Woodward…just sayin’…sometimes drawing the foul and going to the line can be considerably more important.
