What if KU doesn't get any OAD's?
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Yea it seems Bragg could be quite the player, but come on he isn’t going to be shooting three’s at KU. At least not under HCBS’s watch? LOL
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@DoubleDD The Morris Twins shot plenty of 3’s. If he can knock them down, then he will get to fire away. It’s also good for recruiting, because these kids are talking to each other.
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@DoubleDD We won’t ever see Cliff in a KU uniform again. As for Wayne or Perry, I haven’t seen anything that would make me think they aren’t coming back. Thorne will be a nice rotation guy for us, and maybe Coach will pull off a late coup, as he’s done many times.
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We will know sure enough in the next 8 days.
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@DoubleDD I think if he can shoot he will be allowed. I thought he could rebound a lot better.
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@KUSTEVE Totally agree. I can’t imagine Selden or Perry leave. Neither guy has any chance of being a lottery pick or even a first round pick. Even if you think you have met your ceiling why would you leave when you could worst case scenario go undrafted?
These guys are back: Ellis, Selden, Mason, Devonte, Greene, Svi, Bam Bam, Lucas, Hunter. Looks pretty sweet on the perimter to me. The gaping hole is obviously in the post. UK can’t take all of the McD’s kids that are undeclared. Hopefully we get one of these guys and they end up not being an OAD.
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@joeloveshawks said:
Totally agree. I can’t imagine Selden or Perry leave.
And the funny thing is - both of them are better than someone who IS going to the NBA.
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“Selden needs to leave. He’s digressing for some reason. He needs to review his stock status and if he’s late in the first round, GO. If he’s in the first round go and get picked up somehow. If not, there are a lot of options for his development. If Selden returns, he must return in beast mode with something to prove. I just don’t think a return will do him much good. His fate is pretty much sealed.”
I hate to say it… but I agree with you.
I think Wayne was coddled too much at KU. We’ve sort of enabled him to get into a psychological funk similar to what EJ did (except EJ’s was also caused by our coaches and forcing him to PG).
Wayne will get pushed trying out for NBA teams. He is medium on talent, medium on athleticism… but he has a great body for the league. And if he gets his mind right, he might turn the corner at the next level. On a higher note, Wigs did. Throw him in the river and see if he can swim. He seems to be riding a plateau at Kansas.
“Here’s why…John Calipari and WWW have the recruiting world in their back pocket and it’s all CLEAN as a baby’s bottom.”
I really liked your post here. Makes sense. But what doesn’t get answered is how they are able to keep so many 5-star recruits happy sitting on the pine or not producing big numbers or coming back for another year. Imagine if we had kept a player like Oubre on the bench the entire year? The kid would be freaking out and we’d never sign another 5-star recruit. Alexander was a different case. He didn’t show enough for anyone to question why he wasn’t playing.
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@drgnslayr seriously, some don’t want players to leave early, some want 3-4 year players, and now after 2 years, get rid of them? Wayne loves KU, why wouldn’t he get the chance to improve?
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I think the question is: “Did Wayne improve this year?” I don’t think he did. Are we going to get another year out of him where he doesn’t show up for 80% of the games? We have a logjam at the 2. Lots of talented guys that need a chance but Self has a promise to Wayne and he’ll keep it.
Wayne COULD improve this next season. But will he? We’ve thrown those dice before with EJ. The guys that get psyched out would seem to do better if they changed their environment with a fresh start. I wish EJ had transferred out after his sophomore year. Not thinking just for us… but for him.
I really like Wayne, this is about Wayne. What would be best for him? Maybe even a college transfer might help him.
I think he needs to go somewhere like WVU. Huggy won’t cut him any slack like Self does. I think it would be great for Wayne. Get him over the plateau he is stuck on. He needs to be pushed and for some reason, he has a complete pass by Self to perform or not perform. It isn’t right. This year… he was given far too much rope to not only hang himself, but also his teammates.
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@drgnslayr I am not sure that we go to the Title game in 2012 if EJ transferred.
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@drgnslayr I’m not giving up on him. Svi has a chance to catch up, if he passes Wayne, he’ll get more time. If we get another perimeter player that’s better, competition is good.
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We would or we wouldn’t… but I’m talking about the good of EJ. He didn’t end his career well and what is he doing now?
Anyone know? Playing in Bulgaria?
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@drgnslayr Ok. I am 100% sure we would not go to the National Title game without EJ in 2012. He had a huge tournament and was a big part of the 6-7 man rotation that somehow won 5 games in March.
The 2013 season / Michigan game will always hurt our opinion of EJ. But EJ and TT will always be thought of fondly for me based on what they did in 2012 even if they both had pretty lack luster careers the other 3 years they were at KU.
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I’m not arguing with you… just saying it is less about us and more about the player (in this instance).
EJ is probably washing dishes right now. That guy could flat out ball. He is on my all-time favorite list because he sacrificed his future trying to be the PG he never was just for the good of the team.
Right now… in some restaurant kitchen out there… there is a towel just waiting for Wayne to come use it.
Wayne can flat out ball, too. But for some reason it ain’t happening here for him.
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@drgnslayr How many college educated dish washers do you know? lol
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I’m not really hanging out in restaurant kitchens… but I bet there are plenty. Maybe these guys aren’t washing dishes. But unless they are starting their own businesses and finding success through that, they probably aren’t matching the financial success they could have had in basketball. Pretty sad to reach NEAR the mountain top, and then fall down the mountain.
Right now… Wayne is tumbling down the same mountain EJ did.
No one else sees that?
These guys get one shot at college ball… and college ball is where the door opens for pro ball (of various sources).
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@drgnslayr I don’t hang out in restaurant kitchens either, but I do watch a lot of Guy’s Grocery Games.
Sorry - slow day at work.
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I noticed how well Wayne played when his dad sat in the second row. He was a completely different player.
How do we get him to play like that for 30+ games a year?
Everybody in here likes our guys. I know I do.
But if we realistically think we can advance in March… we have to put expectations on players to perform. We needed more out of Wayne this past year. And Wayne needed more out of Wayne if he really wants that NBA shot.
Unless we can figure out a way to get Wayne to perform like he can when his dad is in row 2… we need to change something and Wayne needs to change something.
I carry “hope” with me… it usually ends up being my crutch to the reality I wasn’t willing to face.
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@drgnslayr said:
How do we get him to play like that for 30+ games a year?
I guess we bring Pops to all the games.
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@nuleafjhawk and haircuts
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I’m pretty sure the NCAA keeps watch over that.
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@drgnslayr uhhhhh… I meant his Dad VOLUNTARILY shows up at every game. Yeah - that’s what I meant.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I know you’re all gushy over the Uber-dude, but that haircut…
When you were a kid did you ever have one of those stick ponies? I can’t look at him without thinking about that.
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@drgnslayr Lol - thanks ?
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@truehawk93 Wow “true” I get Cali is a questionable coach in ethics, but Catholic schools are haven for underprivileged kids, and that coach Hurley has done miracles for kids who may be in prison without him. Also, if you look at the stats on cost per student spent by the govt & the Catholic schools, the latter wins as the govt spends 2x-3x more. Yah I don’t like coach Hurley tooting for Cali either, but if that opens Cali’s deep pocket to spread his wealth with those in need, I can’t fault coach Hurley. Because he needs the money for the kids - did you see espunee’s 30/30 on that school & gym? It’s nothing like suburb’s fancy mega million schools. That school is dilapidated it’s pitiful! Hopefully Self will donate some too, if permissible by the NCAA.
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@nuleafjhawk but, you are an old dude(not really old in years-just really old school)
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@drgnslayr Thank you!! I was going to look for an image, but I don’t know how to import it anyway. I was hoping a good samaritan would do that!!
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@Crimsonorblue22 yeah - old in years too! But I try to be immature enough to offset some of that.
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@nuleafjhawk no you’re not!
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@Crimsonorblue22 57 in July…
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@nuleafjhawk that’s not old! You drive a red car, not beige right?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Used to - 1970 Mustang. Or as I refer to her " My First True Love ".
Now it’s a dark grey Toyota Camry. I know - but great mileage!! Wait - my wife has a burgundy Jeep - i drive it sometimes…
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@nuleafjhawk I just remember you saying you were not a beige person.
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@Crimsonorblue22 My skin’s kinda beige. Other than that …
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@drgnslayr I would not trade EJ’s 39 point game against Iowa State for anything. What an incredible performance by a player that showed what he was capable of. His clutch shooting carried us to the Title Game in 2012. It was legendary!!!
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I enjoyed that game immensely. Made me wonder if some of those Iowa rednecks second-guessed their decision to call EJ the “N” word.
I’m just not satisfied with how EJ’s career ended… and I’m not talking about the Michigan game. I’m talking about EJ not getting the right opportunities to move on. I’d like to know today that he is doing well financially and enjoying himself playing ball in a good situation.
I care about the players AFTER they leave Kansas, too. Sherron is constantly in my thoughts.
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@drgnslayr Well said. EJ got his Degree from KU. I wished he would have gotten more opportunities to play early on in his career as well. He was one of my favorites.
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This pic says so much!
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@KansasComet that is also a favorite game of mine!
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Holly knows it’s a special moment between a respected coach and his humble player! Then weathermax verbally attacks coach!
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@drgnslayr Tend to agree with you about Selden’s trajectory right now. The good news is, he has a couple years to figure out what’s wrong. The problem’s probably between his ears. Maybe it’s nothing a summer of scrappy pick-up ball can’t fix. If he chooses to try a blank slate somewhere else, I’m ok with that. And if he stays at KU to optimize his chances, I’m ok with that too…so long as Self doesn’t keep playing him when he’s obviously struggling, to the detriment of other players and ultimately the team.
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After hearing Diallo’s statement about playing time…I don’t think we will get him. Self’s history of bringing freshmen along slower along with the amount of 4/5 guys on the roster…if I felt the way that Diallo said… I think I could see more PT at both ISU and at SJU.
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@Crimsonorblue22 One of the reasons I like Holly… that pic–staying out of the way during an important moment. Plus she knows the Big 12 and what the hell she’s talking about and asks decent questions. (Unlike Mushberger, et al, and the vapid eye candy women ESPN is desperate to replace her with.)
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@HawksWin Calipari may be one of the most honest people in college bball. Maybe I’m totally wrong about him. Maybe he’s a God-given saint. Don’t bleed your heart. This has nothing to do with what the programs are doing. I think the Hurleys are doing great. In fact, I’ve often wondered why some of these “underprivileged” kids that have gone to the NBA don’t give back to the programs that made them.
Have you ever thought about that? How many of these players are giving to these schools? We have no reason for any D1 coach and some coach at an under privileged school getting too close. I don’t hear too many high school coaches gushing like Hurley. In fact, I don’t hear of any high school getting involved with any of these recruits.
Here’s an idea Hawks, let’s have the coaches create a foundation for these under privileged schools. They can donate without the individual promos and fanfare. This way coaches can anonymously give to help these kids. You’re foolish if you think Calipari is doing it for the kids.
Also, get some of these millionaire NBA players to open their deep pockets too. The NBA owners could open their pockets too. Does this sound familiar, “NBA Cares”? Don’t preach to me about charity and generosity to justify Calipari’s motives.
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I love winning just as much as the next KU fan. However if a player wants to stay at KU and forgo a potential NBA career, then count me in his camp.
The problem with the NBA riches is the same thing that’s wrong with America in my opinion. A pile of cash doesn’t solve anyone’s problems or struggles in life. At best it alleviates the pain or problem of being broke. However as all you know as I do. Money is easy come and easy go. Yet an education lasts a lifetime.
If Selden wants to stay then let him stay. Maybe he won’t be the player we always thought he would be. Maybe some will even say he failed and didn’t reach who he was supposed to be. However life is a tricky thing. Sometimes it seems all laid out before us only to realize it was all a dream. If at worst if Selden spent 4 years playing for KU got his degree and moved on with his life. Would that be a failure? I don’t think so.
Besides our success rates with OAD’s with the exception of Embiid give me a four year player like a EJ, TR, and TT any day.
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Personally, I am not a big fan of the one and done rule. However, if HCBS is going to hop on the OAD merry go round, then it would be a smart idea to take a move out of The Squid’s playbook: recruit height. Look at how formidable this year’s Kentucky team is with four footers. The ideal situation for next year is to add Throne and Diallo, which would mean that we have four guys 6’9 or taller, plus Perry and Jamari. That’s not quite equivalent to UK but it’s not too bad.
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That is my all-time favorite Jayhawk pic!
