2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc
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UPDATE- BAYLOR WIN
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Jalen is now in 33rd place passing Jo Jo White. Tonight he can pass Walter Wesley for 32nd place with 14 points.
Kenpom, Torvik
Bracket Matrix, Sagarin, Massey
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Right now, Kenpom’s 12th ranked team in the Self era. The teams closest to that all won the Big-12. Tourney- 2nd round, Sweet 16, Final Four appearances.
Definitely on an upswing. Feels like earlier on this team was closer to the worst teams of the Self era.
TBH their numbers are still a bit behind where I think this team is. The last 4 games have shown that.
Yea what a weird squad this year. At times, they could beat anyone in the country by 20. At other times, it feels like they could lose in the 2nd round.
I really don’t know what this team’s kryptonite is other than playing a team with some athletic wings (think Timmy Allen). I’m a little worried about facing another dominant big man, but I also think that KJ’s ability and Udeh’s development makes me not nearly as worried about that.
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Yeah I have no idea what our kryptonite is either.
I want to say Athletic guards that can create 1 vs 1 & facing good rebounding teams.
I think we’ve seen we can negate an inside size advantage now with the presence of Udeh. We also have had success limiting guys like Jackon-Davis etc as well.
At the end of the day I think this team sinks and swims with Dejuan Harris’s offense and defense. He’s a total game changer when aggressive on both ends.
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I think health is the kryptonite. We now have 7-8 pieces in place. If they can all be at 100% in the tourney, sweet 16 is the floor. We don’t have any bad losses. We can and will beat teams that are not on our level.
My concern would be if the starters get worn down significantly or straight up injured we could get mediocre real fast. That’s how we lose in the first weekend. Severe fatigue or injury.
Harris and Kev have me most worried because they’ve been “knicked up” and “getting treatment” fairly regularly this last month.
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Honestly, winning out (would need a big win tonight) the regular season probably guarantees us a #1 seed.
Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if Bill rested some guys in the Conference Tourney after that. Bill did that with Dave last year, only played 10 minutes in game 1, 13 minutes in game 2, and then played the championship fully.
Bobby, Joe and Rice get a lot of run in the conference tourney if that #1 seed is locked up makes a lot of sense to me. Rest Kev and Juan.
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I worry that cold shooting is our kryptonite (though we’ve won plenty of games this season despite significant stretches of minutes with a lid on the bucket, and even though we’re a hell of a shooting team). It’s just that cold shooting at the wrong time deflates us - drains our Mojo, as @drgnslayr might say it - and brings out this team’s first-half-Baylor energy, the Dr. Jekyll to our 2nd-half-Baylor Mr. Hyde. Also…the right combination of foul probz has done/could do something similar - Juan and Jalen on the bench for long.
But maybe this is all just sayin’ bad luck is our kryptonite.
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I honestly believe the fellas are their own kryptonite. Mentally. It’s all mental. I had a rec league team(yes I know there is no comparison) but hear me out. They would play sluggish, slow, and very uninspired unless I sent them out there to press, press ,press. Then they got energized and it mentally made everything they did just that much quicker and easier. This team. Defensive mentality sparks it all. Get out there and just heckle the hell out of the ball and it just intensifies everything they can do. Without it we look steps(yes plural) slow, uninspired, and frankly not very talented. They must take a defensive (they don’t score, they don’t get the rebound) mindset into the game. Then they look like and could very possibly be National Champions. Might be damn fun to watch. Stay tuned
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UPDATE. GRITTY WIN ON THE ROAD
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Jalen’s off game keeps him in 33rd place 7 points off 32nd place.
Kevin approaching 1,000 points for his career with 970. While he didn’t earn a bulk of his points here, he’s a Jayhawk forever. That dude bleeds here.
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Now a Top 10 defense, finally catching on Ken. Their D is better then 9th too FYI.
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Gradey is currently 8th all time for points in a FR season at KU. Will pass Rush and Dotson in the regular season barring a disaster. A chance to end up 4th behind Wiggs/BMac/Josh depending on tournament runs.
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@BShark it’s interesting from the standpoint that I think this team would mop the floor with 19 team no question. The 2019 doesn’t make the NCAA tournament with anyone but BS coaching it. Feel the same way about the 2021 team. I used to be big on these metrics and stats but you can never predict anything with them IMO. TCU shooting insane in AFH is the prime example.
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@kjayhawks That 2021 team was so bad I became apathetic towards basketball that season. We got robbed of at least a final four by covid in 2020 then in 2021 just a horrible team limited on talent and never seemed to get what it took. So thankful for the 2022 team. 2021 was a dark time.
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I don’t know. That 18-19 team with a healthy Doke could have made noise. Then you had the Vick drama to go with it. The talent was there to be good.
The 2021 team was BAD.
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That 21 team seemed to be the fuel for 22 though according to that Ochai/Mitch/Teehan podcast they did. Sometimes sacrifices are made for the greater good
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The 21 team is undoubtedly Self’s worst here. The only one to not finish top 25 kenpom. I agree a lot of coaches would miss the tournament with that roster. Were they expecting Dotson back??! It was baffling to not have a PG.
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@BShark I honestly think they were and as much as I like Dot he made a huge mistake leaving early. Guys that are projected first rounders I have zero problem with going. But Dot went undrafted and has played in only 28 games this far in the NBA averaging less than 7 minutes in those 28 games. He’s been bouncing around the G-league for 3 years. I don’t think he ever would’ve been lottery with his size but could’ve seen him going late first round/early second if he stayed another year to work on his shot.
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@Kcmatt7 2019 could’ve been good as you said with Vick and Doke healthy but they weren’t so I see the team as without them.
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Some more Stats. Who doesn’t like Stats. Stats! Stats!
KU has 2 remaining home games. Under Coach Self, KU is 38-0 in the final 2 home games of the season. Pretty good win record for the next two!
KU in conference play- leading the Big-12 in 2 pt field goal defense and 2nd in defensive rebounding.
Baylor’s defense is currently the worst defense in the Big-12 in the last 4 years. Keep doing what you’re doing Scottie.
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@BShark And that is with Jalen struggling… He’s shooting 36% from the field on 64 shots during this stretch and 23% from deep.
It feels like this team is SOOO close to clicking 100%. Kevin is finally back to being the gritty ball player we know he is. Gradey’s shot is back. DaJuan has found a nice balance of scoring and passing. KJ continues to just be Mr. Consistent. Udeh has found a way to contribute. The bench guards have all been playable.
If we can get the good JWill back for the tourney we are a legit contender.
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I miss Dave, but I don’t miss this:
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@Kcmatt7 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@BShark And that is with Jalen struggling… He’s shooting 36% from the field on 64 shots during this stretch and 23% from deep.
It feels like this team is SOOO close to clicking 100%. Kevin is finally back to being the gritty ball player we know he is. Gradey’s shot is back. DaJuan has found a nice balance of scoring and passing. KJ continues to just be Mr. Consistent. Udeh has found a way to contribute. The bench guards have all been playable.
If we can get the good JWill back for the tourney we are a legit contender.
He’s pressing. Opinion: he wants it so bad, he is playing a step sped up. Slow down, let the game come to you, and you’ll be fine, JW. I’m calling it - 30 against WVU.
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My opinion of Jalen lately!
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Anyone able to find a good update of top coaches performances in the NCAA Tournament? Like I found Self is 46-16 at Kansas and 55-21 overall. That’s a pretty solid win percentage that has to be close to the top ever if not at least top over the span of his career.
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Guess I must be ready for March… lol
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Found this: not sure how reliable it is as a source… also, doesn’t give win percentages.
https://www.rookieroad.com/march-madness/coaches-with-the-most-march-madness-game-wins-6644016/
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@benshawks08 Looks to be a least a year out of date. Bill should be one spot higher assuming the rest is correct!
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@BShark said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
https://twitter.com/SJacksonBET/status/1628435803910045697
I knew we were on a heater but whewwww
Who is he claiming had a better 2.5 weeks? Alabama? They lost a game; I must be missing something.
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@dylans Purely statistically so wins/losses aren’t everything though it does tend to mean you are winning.
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Update!
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Jalen moved into 32nd place and now sets his aim at Mario Chalmers for 31st. He needs 22 points on Senior Night to pass him.
Kevin is also closing in on 1,000, he needs 15 points on Senior Night to reach the 1,000 point club.
Kenpom, Torvik
Bracket Matrix, Sagarin, Massey
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Here’s so more fun stats after the West Virginia Game.
KU is 10-0 when shooting 50% from the field this year. 293-12 in the Self Era.
KU improved to 184-26 when scoring 70-70 points & 110-46 when allowing 70-79 points in the Self Era.
Harris moved into a tie with Sherron Collins for 23rd all time on the steals list.
Gradey Dick is now 4th among KU freshman in 3 point makes (71) attempts (170). He’s also 9th all time for field goals made with 145.
Bill Self playing on Saturdays- 204-56. Self in February- 126-32. Self on ESPN 183-62.
KU has 12 conference wins for the 23rd straight season. Self has 24 wins in 18 of his 20 seasons at KU.
KU is 8-1 this season in games decided by 5 points or less. 122-52 in Self Era, 48-10 at Allen Fieldhouse.
KU has a 39-game win streak on Senior Night.
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How is the player efficiency rating determined? Udeh having a PER of 22 on a night his +/- was negative is not exactly what I’d expect.
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@dylans The PER is a season-long stat. So it combines all of his minutes played all year.
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I can’t seem to figure out how WVU is so highly rated in the Net and in Kenpom. Playing a tough schedule is definitely a key. But winning some of those games would seem to be a premium.
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@cragarhawk It’s like the year KU had Wiggins and Embiid. KU was ranked high even though they lost nearly all the games to the top ranked teams that year. -Almost all the losses were to good teams, but you’d think you’d have to beat one to earn a high ranking yourself.
Being a Kansas homer I still think with a healthy Embiid KU makes noise that March.
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Update. We are CHAMPS!!!
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Jalen ties Mario Chalmers for 31st all-time on the scoring list.
Jalen needs 31 points to pass Marcus Morris for 30th, 34 to pass Adonis Jordan & 37 points to pass Richard Scott for 28th.
Kevin has exactly 1,000 points getting the most important one late in the game. Kev, what a play.
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Still doesn’t like us.
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@BeddieKU23 Saw a thing that we are still within the Kenpom Rankings that match all of the most recent champions. Something about top 27 D and top 37 O I think.
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@dylans said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
@cragarhawk It’s like the year KU had Wiggins and Embiid. KU was ranked high even though they lost nearly all the games to the top ranked teams that year. -Almost all the losses were to good teams, but you’d think you’d have to beat one to earn a high ranking yourself.
Being a Kansas homer I still think with a healthy Embiid KU makes noise that March.
No point guard.
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@dylans with Joel we’re National Champs. But could have went further if anyone outside of Frankamp and Black seemed to care about being there imo
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@cragarhawk I don’t think that Wiggins didn’t care. He just isn’t an alpha, which is too bad. He could be dominating.
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If you like stats, here’s some more.
If Bill Self wins the final 10 games of the season, he would pass Phog Allen as the winningest coach in KU history.
Bill Self has been a 4 seed or better in the NCAA Tournament every year. The streak will continue.
If Bill Self were a university, he would rank 9th all time in conference championships. CJ Moore gets credit for this.
Bill has won 17 titles in 20 years at KU.
Coach K won 13 conference championships in 42 years, Roy won 13 ACC+Big-12 titles in 33 years, Izzo has won 10 Big-10 titles in 28 years.
Harris is now tied for 22nd all time in steals
KU is 23-0 this season when leading with under 5:00 minutes left, 533-18 in the Self Era.
Pretty crazy, KU’s last 8 wins against Texas Tech have all been under single digits.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2022-23 stats-PER, Kenpom etc:
Pretty crazy, KU’s last 8 wins against Texas Tech have all been under single digits.
Like fractions?
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@BeddieKU23 Bill Self had now been the coach of KU for 16% of their years as well. Basketball is a young sport. Kinda cool to be able to remember such a large chunk of the entire history of basketball.
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@dylans Im sure youre right about that. It’s just how it looked that day. Although to be fair, I was a long damn ways away in a nosebleed seat so that could be some of the issue with my vision on that.
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Update post West Virginia win
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Jalen now sits in 28th place all-time. He is 48 points away from passing Wilt Chamberlain for 27th. With a deep run in the tourney he can creep up further at his current scoring avg.
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As we can see, the offense and defense are trending in opposite directions.
Harris is now 21st all time in steals passing Nick Collison.
Gradey is now 2nd all time for made 3’s from a freshman. Needs 3 more to pass Jeff Boschee.
KU has now won 13 of its last 15 B12 tourney games
Jalen is now 14th all time in rebounds at KU.
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@BeddieKU23 KU has now won 13 of its last 15 B12 tourney games
While Faylor has lost 7 of their last 8. Yikes
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@dylans They did win a National Title in that span…
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@benshawks08 Seems fluky…with that NC and those 6 wins they average less than 2 NCAA tournament w’s per year over the last 7 appearances.
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Update:
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Jalen passed Wilt Chamberlain for 27th all time on the scoring list. He needs 43 points to pass Brandon Rush for 26th.
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In the Self era this ranks as the #15th best team via Kenpom.
There are 6 teams this current team compares with. When Self’s offenses are in the 20’s, his defense has always been good. 5 of 6 were Top 11 Kenpom on defense.
Here are the finishes for those 6 teams- 2 (lost in 2nd round), 2 (lost in Sweet 16), 1 (Elite 8), 1 (Championship game, 2011-12).
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@BeddieKU23 GENEROUS to include those two better teams. I think this team really closely matches the 2nd round loss/S16 teams though.
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Yeah it would appear statistically this team has a short ceiling.
My hope is the stats won’t matter when Jalen laces them up and this team’s heart and competitiveness shines. I know we’ll defend, I think it’s our offense that has stunk & will need to prove itself.
