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The long running joke is which team will lose more games, the football team or the basketball team?
Well this year it’s more interesting. Which will it be? Hopefully KU wins its bowl game and stops the late season blood letting. So let’s set the over/under at 6.
I’m predicting a push. I don’t know which games, but I’d guess 1 more non-con loss, 3 conference Ls, and the last L of the season in KC during the Big12 tournament. NCAA depends on the draw and how they come together.
-I’d be okay with them never losing another game in theory, but in reality that would be boring.
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Another one. O/U 1.5 combined wins against Mizzou?
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Watched the N/C game again. We have lost so much from that team. No Dave or Mitch. No Remy for certain. We can get closer to replacing Braun and Och than replacing Dave and Mitch. A better JWill and Juan, a gem in McCullar and a surprising Joe and both can score from deep and are quick getting to the rim. Gradey has a lot on his shoulders, getting better on defense while continuing to dribble drive and showing he is a better three point wing than even Svi because Svi could only hit two in a row and Gradey might hit four or more. If Jalen and Udeh/Zuby are grabbing defensive boards we could use our speed on fast breaks. Keep Bobby healthy!!! Sounds like a lot of maybe but reasonably within reach and needed by no later than February. Baby steps.
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Yes… You see it! The potential is there… will we realize it?
I still think we need a lot harder play from all 5 spots. In order to defend the paint well it will take pressure going all the way out on the perimeter… disrupt flows and cut off passing lanes to the paint.
We didn’t press so hard after the first few games. Where did our full-court offense go to? Part was our lack of rebounding.
This team has all the pieces to become one of the best defensive teams in D1, but the stats don’t really support it up to now.
Another part of this story is getting our newbies educated and all our guys playing as one solid unit.
It is fun watching the process though sometimes a bit frustrating… just part of the game and what attracts me to D1!
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… will we realize it? That’s right. We always lose some of our false edge after the non conference. Bill has an idea about what he has and starts to direct players to tighten up their play for the conference grind. Many things are running in their brains and it takes time to get it down. Then the never ending tweaks. Sigh! We’ll likely see some duds and hope inducing games while hovering around the top tenish in the polls.
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@drgnslayr said in Over Under:
Yes… You see it! The potential is there… will we realize it?
I still think we need a lot harder play from all 5 spots. In order to defend the paint well it will take pressure going all the way out on the perimeter… disrupt flows and cut off passing lanes to the paint.
We didn’t press so hard after the first few games. Where did our full-court offense go to? Part was our lack of rebounding.
This team has all the pieces to become one of the best defensive teams in D1, but the stats don’t really support it up to now.
Another part of this story is getting our newbies educated and all our guys playing as one solid unit.
It is fun watching the process though sometimes a bit frustrating… just part of the game and what attracts me to D1!
My point is this: if we’re going to lose the rebound game anyway, why keep people back? Why not run it down their throats?
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If we give them every rebound on their offense… they will put back and score almost every possession… and no way we can match that with runouts.
All we really need to do to be effective at full-court offense is to exploit teams that even have just one slow player. If we have 5 guys that can run, we can crash the boards but just turn around and hustle it up the court. Maybe we only beat one slow guy but having that is enough to keep them from setting up decent defense.
There is “primary breaks” where we just outrun them and score at the rim first ahead of the defense… but “secondary breaks” are awesome… dealing with teams who get back but not set and we quickly hit the open guy for a trey or another easy, unguarded shot.
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@drgnslayr said in Over Under:
If we give them every rebound on their offense… they will put back and score almost every possession… and no way we can match that with runouts.
All we really need to do to be effective at full-court offense is to exploit teams that even have just one slow player. If we have 5 guys that can run, we can crash the boards but just turn around and hustle it up the court. Maybe we only beat one slow guy but having that is enough to keep them from setting up decent defense.
There is “primary breaks” where we just outrun them and score at the rim first ahead of the defense… but “secondary breaks” are awesome… dealing with teams who get back but not set and we quickly hit the open guy for a trey or another easy, unguarded shot.
We kept everybody back for Tenn, and were outrebounded 45-27. Against Dook, we were outrebounded by 46-35, didn’t keep everybody back, beat their butts on transition, and won the game. We didn’t even try to run against the Vols.
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Dead legs, injuries & just a bad night
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That Vols game was a total breakdown.
Let’s hope we see a lot of change tomorrow for the Tigers game.
I think when we finally get this team to click it will be a team that moves quickly… and now we will play a team that definitely moves quickly, too.
Should be an interesting game tomorrow. Self already warned that he didn’t want his guys to play “sped up” so not sure what that means, or if he is playing Riverboat Gambler to bluff the Tigs into practicing for a slow down game.
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@drgnslayr I read that as Bill wants them to play fast but under control.
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We’re favored by 3.5.
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I think he’s trying to shore up Dajuan’s psyche. Dajuan has had a few outings now where he wasn’t playing as smooth. Of course, it is more than Dajuan… and he can only play as smooth as the team does, too.
Let’s not forget Dajuan will be playing in his hometown for this game!
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Self is worried he will get into foul trouble again.
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@Jethro said in Over Under:
We’re favored by 3.5.
I think it will be good game for sur BUT - – sorry I’d have to take that line and run sa fast s I could. - -I’m thinking more on the line of 5-7
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@jayballer67 said in Over Under:
@Jethro said in Over Under:
We’re favored by 3.5.
I think it will be good game for sur BUT - – sorry I’d have to take that line and run sa fast s I could. - -I’m thinking more on the line of 5-7
I hope we beat them by 30.
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@Jethro said in Over Under:
We’re favored by 3.5.
I sure think our #6 ranked team will beat Missery by more than 3.5 pts. We just need Jalen to take good shots and finish at the rim, Gradey to shoot and score for two halves, Kevin to keep that 3 stroke going and Dajuan to play his game-not the style so many others think he should play. Then, just maybe MJ will play some quality minutes on offense and our 5 spot will hold steady. We got this.
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I think some things we need to play attention to , and I know some will blow it off because it’s Missouri, but better just be aware of - well the guys need to be anyways. They stat wise have us beaten in almost every cat ya ya, I know- - but the couple I’m watching is Steals & Assists. - -they really pressure the ball trying to speed you up - which in that aspect I love good speed us up - we will run no problem - - -BUT thing is with their pressure , they are averaging 14.1 steals per game. - -They share the ball really well averaging 21.3 assists per - -they shot over 50 % from the filed - & 76 % from the line - -just some things to take notice of.
I know there are some that think we might blow them out - -sorry thats just not gonna happen looking more like 5-7 probably - -best case scenario I think might be 12 I think that’s a push. I think we will come out ahead. - That place is gonna be a zoo – interesting to see how all our 1st yr players handle it
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I’m horrible at predictions and always feel like I’m jinxing us… so I won’t predict.
But I will say I won’t be shocked at any kind of result today. On paper, the Tigs look formidable… but the reality is they’ve only played cupcakes.
Let’s see how they react when they get hit in the mouth! I feel sure we will, at least, do that today!
My perspective on the worst case scenario will be if they are as good as their current stat line says and we come out looking lost and playing soft and rusty because we haven’t played for a while and our guys have had a week+ of court education by Self and staff. We might come out “thinking” too much and that usually means slow reaction time and sluggish.
My perspective on the best case scenario is the Tigs can’t matchup against a legit team and they freak when getting punched in the nose… while our guys show a lot of poise and better play making and basketball IQ.
Last… it could be a game of both scenarios above, going back and forth. I tend to think this is likely because of the rivalry and our ranking versus their desire to be ranked.
I believe this will probably come down to a game determined by possessions. Will we rebound well enough to win? Will we limit TOs? We could sure give away a lot of points if they score well on a bunch of TOs!
It goes without saying… this game will be determined by Dajuan!
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@drgnslayr said in Over Under:
I’m horrible at predictions and always feel like I’m jinxing us… so I won’t predict.
But I will say I won’t be shocked at any kind of result today. On paper, the Tigs look formidable… but the reality is they’ve only played cupcakes.
Let’s see how they react when they get hit in the mouth! I feel sure we will, at least, do that today!
My perspective on the worst case scenario will be if they are as good as their current stat line says and we come out looking lost and playing soft and rusty because we haven’t played for a while and our guys have had a week+ of court education by Self and staff. We might come out “thinking” too much and that usually means slow reaction time and sluggish.
My perspective on the best case scenario is the Tigs can’t matchup against a legit team and they freak when getting punched in the nose… while our guys show a lot of poise and better play making and basketball IQ.
Last… it could be a game of both scenarios above, going back and forth. I tend to think this is likely because of the rivalry and our ranking versus their desire to be ranked.
I believe this will probably come down to a game determined by possessions. Will we rebound well enough to win? Will we limit TOs? We could sure give away a lot of points if they score well on a bunch of TOs!
It goes without saying… this game will be determined by Dajuan!
Thats one of the reasons I said ya look at who they have plays. -Those stats can be skewed from the people they have played , plus the one thing also is we are grabbing like 5 more rebounds per then they are.
The biggest concern I have is the enviroment and how the players will handle it. NONE of these guys have played in the Missouri /Antler enviroment. - it’s gonna be loud - -it’s gonna be nasty. - -STRAP EM UP BOYS
