Kansas Jayhawks at West Virginia Mountaineers ⛰️ Game Chat Sat. 1/10 11:00CT
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We had a 8 point lead when Darryn went to the bench and then we just let them post up Jamari and Elmarko on like 4 straight possessions. What happened to my coach man?
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@approxinfinity said in Kansas Jayhawks at West Virginia Mountaineers
️ Game Chat Sat. 1/10 11:00CT:Yeah i dont know. I think a little more Mari and a little less Marko could have helped.
our on ball defense was pathetic for large stretches. Kudos to WV exploiting it. Just, so many holes in this game.
Marko is becoming the next Self love fest player that never does anything wrong and will not get pulled outta of the game no matter what. Tuesday he played great defense and turned the tide no question. But he has been terrible 99% of the time this season. The biggest pieces moving forward maybe Flory, Tiller and Dawson. Those guys are complete wild cards most games. Everyone else we got a good idea of what we will get on the average night.
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said in Kansas Jayhawks at West Virginia Mountaineers
️ Game Chat Sat. 1/10 11:00CT:Reality check time. We have now lost road games to two middle of the pack (or lower) B12 teams, and needed a miracle to beat a middle of the pack team at home. Before today, WVU had just two wins against P5 teams - 7-8 Pitt and a 2 pt home win against 8-7 Cincy. After beating us, UCF promptly lost to Okie State. At this point, it's not clear that we have beaten anyone who is assured of making the tournament. Best win is against 11-5 Tennessee, which got spanked today and is also 1-2 in conference.
It seems now painfully obvious that we simply don't have the talent of the top tier of B12 teams. DP is an NBA talent, but he doesn't make his teammates better, or at least hasn't yet. I don't think there is anyone else who is likely to be drafted, including Flory. It's another mediocre portal haul. White and Council are solid role players and likable guys, but they aren't difference makers. White was a 10ppg scorer with Illinois, and that's really who he is. Council was a 14ppg scorer at St. Bonaventure against lesser competition. Same with Dawson. Tiller has skill and may have upside potential, but he plays soft and disappears. 4 pts in 14 minutes today and 4 fouls. Unfortunately, Jackson is a bust as a 5* recruit.
Good teams simply don't allow middling teams to go on 16-0 / 22-2 runs. The question at this point is whether there is anyone we will beat on the road. If not, we are looking at a losing conference record, 'cause I don't think we will win every game at Allen. A 20 win season may be at risk...
Add this from CBSSports:
But after dropping to 11-5 overall, it's hard to keep Kansas in the top shelf of the Big 12 behemoths, largely because its best player is still not 100% and this defense has been shredded by UCF, TCU and now West Virginia. WVU's offense posted a sizzling 1.28 points per possession, easily the best it's ever managed against a high-major team this season.
Pittsburgh: 1.12 points per possession Clemson: 1.01 Xavier: 1.00 Wake Forest: 1.08 Ohio State: 1.06 Iowa State: 0.97 Cincinnati: 0.97 Kansas: 1.29It's not as if Kansas has bad defensive personnel, either. Melvin Council is an excellent point-of-attack defender. Tre White and Peterson have excellent positional size on the perimeter. Flory Bidunga is a fearsome rim protector, and Bryson Tiller is big and rangy. But Kansas' connection on the defensive end is sputtering. A sign of a locked-in defense is its ability to limit 3-point attempts for the best shooter on the scouting report. Kansas had no answer for Huff (4-11 from downtown), and that came four days after TCU's Liutauras Lelevicius drilled five triples himself.
WVU is, charitably, not a good offensive team and we gave up 46 points in the 2nd half and 1.29 points per possession for the game. Stunning...
Compare to the the (now) top tier B12 teams: Houston has won 16 straight road games - crushed Baylor in Waco today. Arizona easily beat TCU in Ft. Worth. TTU up by 21 early in the 2nd half on the road against Colorado. ISU moved to 3-0.
Recruiting or scheme/coaching???
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@DCHawker to me it starts with the scheme we have been switching 5 now since I believe since 21. It worked out in 2022 mainly because of personal. It hasn’t worked but 1 time in 5 years. In 22 we basically started 4 guards and big Dave. Dave was a great ball screen defender as a senior. I honestly think we give up 50 points a game off of two things. First a big gets on a guard, they easily beat them off the dribble for a layup. Secondly a guard gets switched on a big and post them up for easy points against a guy that’s half their size in the post. To me it is a lazy ass way to play defense for guys that aren’t skilled enough to keep guys in front of them or just plain laziness.
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@crimsonblu22 Thanks, that and the Bears win helped ease the sting of the Jayhawk season going down the tubes.
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@wissox83 yeah… just really disheartening. After losses like that, I have to remind myself to take the season 1 game at a time. Let it breathe.
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@approxinfinity it’s has been the worst 3 year stretch in over 40 years for Kansas basketball so likely to most of us this is unprecedented. That being said we will win Tuesday against the cyclones.
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Can anyone tell me why the hell we are playing Baylor this Friday instead of Saturday? - -We never play on Friday --why now ?
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@ROCKCHALK2025 that’s when TV said they should play
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No NFL games to compete against on Friday
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@kjayhawks2.0 Stupid
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Might as well try to win on a Friday since our Saturdays have sucked in consecutive weeks.
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Two home games this week They dont right the ship this week it's not happening regardless of opponent.
Put up or shut up time
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Would it be safe to say that these next two games are absolute needed wins ?- -How will Jay Hawks Nation be lit up at the Phog tomorrow night ? or will they sit politely and look on like a tennis match .
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@ROCKCHALK2025 dang it. Now I can not watch them on Friday instead of not watching them on Saturday.
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Certainly safe to say. They'll be lit up to start against the fierce rival and ISU might be overconfident. ISU currently sits at only a -3.5 favorite and that's because of the Phog.
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@BeddieKU23 I think we are pretty much already out of the B12 race but a couple of home losses this week and the NCAA tournament becomes a question mark IMO.
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Here's why I think the ship has to be fixed now, this week.
Self has the most ridiculous record in games after losses. Games held in Allen after a loss. Record against top 10 teams at home under Self. I wish had all these stats handy with data to back just to drive it home further. He's damn near unbeatable in these situations and if this team was playing better would be favored by a touchdown. He's been the king of the bounce-back his entire career here.
So, tomorrow is the most important data point in this season in my opinion. We have an undefeated team coming to town with our back against the wall. They are in just about every facet of the game, better than us. They have players that are bad matchups for us, and they shoot the 3 really well. They are probably 10-15 pts better than us on matchup. Can we Bridge the gap? Of course they can. The house should be cooking as long as the team gives them a reason to do so. Peterson, if you are this proclaimed, 'top draft pick', you got to set the tone for this team. There should be a lot of motivation for this group. That's why this game matters a lot because Self teams almost always respond in these situations and if they don't I know this season is in real trouble.
More than anything tomorrow I want to see a team that looks prepared to battle. We've seen very inconsistent stretches in all 3 conference games. West Virginia didn't have a single high major player in their lineup and made us look bad in the 2nd half. If they lose tomorrow, I don't want it to be from a lack of effort/preparedness. Time for some of these high paid people (coaches/players) to earn their keep.
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@nuleafjhawk Woo Hoo , so I guess that's a win for the rest of us then knowing you can't watch lol.I KNEW SOMETHING had to be good out of this=== ==YES
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@Tallturd1 And on another note , something I find interesting kind of amusing ?- -Even with the hard time we have had in Morgantown - -win they win they ----STILL storm the court after the game is over , so not all our tradition has worn off, cause when hey do that actually it detracts from their win-- what they don't realize they need to act like they have been there before
