Jalen Coleman-Lands
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Quality. Composed kid!
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@approxinfinity ISU fans have had nothing but great things to say about him.
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Lol Mitch called him and said “hey bro were gonna be some of the oldest guys on the team and in college ball”
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Hard to imagine if he’s shooting well keeping him off the court. How are his handles?
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@approxinfinity not a guy you want driving. He will play the 3 I imagine.
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I’m thinking of him as Isaiah Moss 2.0.
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There was one thing that I picked up on and agree with that he mentioned during his interview that he was having & I’ve mentioned this before on the whole transfer thing.
Believe Matt was asking him about the whole transfer Portal thing and he brought out the same way I think and others have mention before from various sites and believe it is for sure the right thing for kids.
That was he got to talking about all his Coach’s being fired , and the School taking the time to find a new Coach and how it kind of puts these kids in a bad situation you know , not knowing who that next Coach gonna be and if your gonna match/fit.
I have always said that most of these kids when being recruited the BIG reason they come to a School is to play for a certain Coach. - -Sure there are other factors involved but for the most part it’s the Coach Now I mean that Coach can get a better offer from another School and up and leaves - - no penalty for them just picking up and leaving at the drop of a hat & then that kid that came to the particular school is stuck , the Coach he came to play for is gone. - -That’s NOT RIGHT - why shouldn’t a kid be allowed to transfer out and go to another School without having to sit a year - -they are penalizing that kid by making him sit out for a year because of a transfer. WHY ? - - WHY shouldn’t a Coach get penalized for up rooting and leaving a School while under contract - why shouldn’t the Coach have to not be allowed to Coach for a year? - -your making a kid sit out for a year - that’s why the Portal THIS yr is a good idea. - -No difference Coach can leave , kind of screw the Pooch and no penalities for leaving a kid who came to play FOR YOU -but if the Kid wants to transfer out after that Coach leaves - he has to sit - -hmmmmmmm what’s wrong with that picture ? - -I know I’m not the only one who feels a player is getting shafted by this, I’ve read comments just like mine. -I’m glad they made them where they can transfer and good to go the very next Season - - just wish it was a regular thing
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Another thing that gets overlooked when a coach leaves is that often, many of the players that the coach brought in end up getting shafted on playing time because the new coach has no stake in their development - they aren’t his recruits.
The new coach has a much bigger interest in developing “his” guys than the previous coach’s remaining players. At a lot of schools, this means that the new coach actually forces out the guys that do stay, costing them two years of eligibility (the year they stayed and didn’t play, plus a year sitting out once they transfer).
That’s actually the biggest reason the transfer portal exists. Coaches were forcing kids out because the pressure is on them to win now (if they got hired to replace a struggling coach or the previous guy was hired because his team was doing so well). Since coaches had the pressure on them to force kids out, and more and more kids were speaking out about it (social media was opening more eyes to this), there had to be a solution before it got really ugly.
After all, the NCAA doesn’t want people to find out that coaches are yanking kids scholarships to force them to transfer so they can open up spots for new recruits.
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@Kcmatt7 said in Jalen Coleman-Lands:
I’m thinking of him as Isaiah Moss 2.0.
This is more or less accurate.
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@justanotherfan Yep. There is going to be even less loyalty both ways now going forward with the new rules. I know of a couple coaches that will for sure be going harder at transfers than HS recruits because they don’t want to wait for them to develop.
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@approxinfinity. He’s a shoot the 3 and D guy
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@BShark said in Jalen Coleman-Lands:
@justanotherfan Yep. There is going to be even less loyalty both ways now going forward with the new rules. I know of a couple coaches that will for sure be going harder at transfers than HS recruits because they don’t want to wait for them to develop.
Which is why I said that the new rules might actually benefit mid-majors --more hs talent available. A player graduates, and a KU or UK just plugs in another with the same or better skillset.
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@Marco said in Jalen Coleman-Lands:
@BShark said in Jalen Coleman-Lands:
@justanotherfan Yep. There is going to be even less loyalty both ways now going forward with the new rules. I know of a couple coaches that will for sure be going harder at transfers than HS recruits because they don’t want to wait for them to develop.
Which is why I said that the new rules might actually benefit mid-majors --more hs talent available. A player graduates, and a KU or UK just plugs in another with the same or better skillset.
Cuts either way.
The strong midmajors that have a good culture/environment will keep their guys. The ones that don’t will develop players, only to see them jump ship after a year or two.
Bad coaches get punished by seeing their players leave. Good ones get rewarded because their guys will stay.
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With the amount of tampering we saw this year before teams even get really good at it, I would start to lean towards this being the death of the low and mid-major. They won’t get high-end HS prospects still. And anyone who does make it through the cracks can now get poached.
I do think low-end P5 programs have the opportunity to maybe snag some better HS talent than previously was available. And should a good coach be able to keep a roster intact they might be able to do some damage. But I just think that will be easier said than done…
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Tampering is going to be the new place where sanctions come. And to get shut out of accepting transfers from the portal for a year? Or two years? In this environment, that might as well be the death penalty. But it would be significant enough that programs wouldn’t risk tampering.
It could hurt midmajors, for sure. But if they are smart about it, do good work in the NIL space and have a good culture, that’s worth just as much.
If you’re Cleveland State (picking a random school) and you have a good culture (no idea if they do or not) and a kid has a foundation on which to build their personal brand through NIL, isn’t that more appealing than being the 8th man at Ohio State, or the 6th guy at Purdue? Especially if you can make some money along the way with NIL.
Find someone in the business department or the law school that will help athletes profit, and that’s a recruiting tool.
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@justanotherfan NIL wouldn’t help small schools in big markets. NIL wouldn’t help a kid at a place like Cleveland St. regardless of the culture of that school because of the Browns, Cavs, and Indians.
NIL could help small schools in small markets that have their own TV markets that don’t have pro sports or even a bigger college program nearby.
Just thinking locally to KU, Missouri St. is a school that could benefit from something like that in regards to taking advantage of NIL rules. Springfield has their own local channels, there’s not going to be much overlap with the Chiefs/Royals/Thunder or from Missouri so MSU would basically have a local market to themselves.
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I think both types could benefit.
In a big market (particularly near campus) there are lots of local services. You think the local campus pizza place or other small companies wouldn’t partner with the local star as a recognizeable face? I’m not talking huge money. Only a handful of athletes would ever get that at the college level (Zion Williamson is probably the best recent example).
But for lots of college athletes, making a couple thousand dollars a year from endorsements, plus a bit from donor events and camps and you have a small income, which is more than you can do now.
A smart university could even set up partnerships to match athletes with products/companies locally. Win for the athlete. Win for the business. Win for the university.
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@justanotherfan I don’t see that happening in big cities because nobody in big cities gives a shit about small schools and I’m telling you this from experience. The University of Houston is at best the third most popular school in the city behind Texas and Texas A&M and most of the time UH is also behind LSU. Factoring in professional sports, UH is at best the 8th most visible brand in the city so even a local pizza shop isn’t giving a crap about a UH player in football or basketball unless they’re a future top 5 pick in a sport.
If it’s a person at Rice or Texas Southern, nobody in Houston gives a damn about either of those schools. Even with TSU being the top SWAC team in recent years, there’s never been any local hype about them.
It would take a special situation for a player at a small school in a big city to have any kind of marketing value even in their local neighborhood because these are mostly commuter schools whose students are loyal to other schools. Most kids at UH are there because they couldn’t get into their first choice such as Texas or Texas A&M.
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If the new rule is in place just a couple of years ago, Ja Morant doesn’t play a 2nd season at Murray State. Dude would have been a Kentucky Wildcat making $500k in cash under the table, and I have zero doubt in my mind about that.
The penalty right now for paying recruits is supposed to be major suspension, level I violations, etc. And schools still do it… How do you prove tampering if it is being done by ShoeCo in the background?
It is a penalty to tamper and poach players now, and coaches were still able to get it done. It is all about circumventing direct contact, and that isn’t very hard. Coaches can call old AAU coaches, ShoeCo Reps, etc and ask about a players availability. Andrew Slater damn near projected every single transfers destination before they even officially decomitted.
It is just too easy.
