CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts



  • @wissox https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/

    That is a very good site for advanced stats.



  • @BShark Thanks, but the problem with those stats is they’re total nonsense to a very traditional guy like me.



  • @wissox Usage % is the % of possessions a player ends. They do so by scoring, missing, assisting, or turning it over.



  • So 3/10 times when Dave is in, the possession ends because of him.



  • That number is neither good or bad in and of it self. But since he is turning it over and shooting a low percentage it means he is ending too many of kus possessions without scoring where other players would be more efficient.



  • @FarmerJayhawk said in CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts:

    Seems to me Dave has no idea how to use his size and length. I call him Bambi sometimes because he looks like a baby deer trying to figure out how to walk around sometimes. He just needs to slow down a bit and figure out how to use his frame (e.g. drawing contact in the lane, post moves).

    this is the perfect Scenario , going off what your saying not knowing how to use his size & length – - -perfect - -perfect scenario where we could sure use to Get Danny back on staff if nothing else to work with the Big’s he was really good with that - I bet you the farm he could get Dave to playing better - With Danny being such a good big himself in College and working with that before I’m sur would be a big plus for us. - -Thing is I don’t think you would ever see him come back as an assistant



  • @wissox

    As @BShark pointed out I use Sports-reference mainly.

    Doke actually had usage in the low 20’s last year, 22.9%, Career average 23.5%. Dave as a semi starter/backup last year had higher usage when he was in the game. Dotson led the team in usage but no surprise since he was the main ball handler & leading scorer.

    Dotson & Azubuike had excellent PER’s (player efficiency) & TSE (true shooting efficiency). Self got elite production from both at their position.

    @benshawks08 broke it down well. The combination of high usage, poor FG% from Dave is not good offense and it’s not sustainable for success.

    It’s been only 6 games but Jalen Wilson’s analytics say he should be taking more shots and having more possessions funneled to him. Christian Braun as well for that matter.



  • Has Bill Self heard about these usage thingys?





  • @wissox He’s definitely heard of them. Whether or not he uses them or not…



  • @wissox

    Yeah they pay attention to Analytics. Hopefully they figure something out



  • @wissox said in CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts:

    Christian Braun is kind of a head case. It reared its ugly head against Gonzaga when he got T-d up for being a jerk after dunking on a guy and I saw a flash of it today when he barked at the Creighton bench or another player, I couldn’t see which, after making a 3 pointer late.

    If you think he is a “head case”, then I don’t think you understand what it takes for a kid like him to be competitive in the high-end AAU circuit for years.



  • @BShark said in CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts:

    @BeddieKU23 Really liked Self sticking with Bryce late. Feel like he earned it, good to let him play through a mistake.

    HUGE sign Self MIGHT be softening a bit. 99.9% of the time a freshman is immediately pulled with a turnover in that situation.



  • @BigBad I’m not sure what you mean by “a kid like him”. A lot of guys compete in AAU that are phenomenal players that don’t do stuff like that.



  • @wissox said in CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts:

    Thanks @benshawks08 @BeddieKU23

    Maybe this will clarify it a bit. Dave is Top 100 of all College Basketball Players on usage (32%). He’s taken 29.8% of shots when he’s on the floor which puts him around 150 in CBB.

    I did some quick research at other players with high usage to see how well those guys are doing. 6 guys with similar usage but look at the difference in scoring and FG%. Self is focusing the offense on the wrong guy at this point…

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  • Thanks @BeddieKU23 Thats useful information. It makes sense and of course I had a general idea of what usage meant because I speak english! But wow, those numbers really jump off the page at you.

    Here’s what’s frustrating about Dave. He is taking high percentage shots generally and every single one is just clanging off the rim. Every time. His midrange shot has always seemed competent, but that’s when we weren’t reliant on him. I think he sees himself as needing to replace Dokes production and no one is going to do that like Doke for a long time.



  • I think Dave has it in him to be a good passer. If he can work on kicking it out and making quicker decisions with the ball in the post he can do better to stay on the floor. It’s interesting because we all watch him and he LOOKS “sped up” or like the game is too fast but I think that’s more of a symptom of being slow in making decisions. If he keeps the ball in the post and takes a dribble or makes a move, by the time he does it, guards are digging down, and his defender claims the space he’s trying to move into. Maybe we actually need Dave to SPEED UP?!



  • @wissox

    If the law of averages happens here Dave will probably shoot a higher % as the season goes on. We need him to get above 50%. He is getting good post position but they could definitely work with him on taking the ball strong into defenders instead of the fadeaway and all the weird stuff he does to miss shots. If he is going to continue to have such a high usage we need him to make shots at a higher rate



  • @benshawks08 said in CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts:

    I think Dave has it in him to be a good passer. If he can work on kicking it out and making quicker decisions with the ball in the post he can do better to stay on the floor. It’s interesting because we all watch him and he LOOKS “sped up” or like the game is too fast but I think that’s more of a symptom of being slow in making decisions. If he keeps the ball in the post and takes a dribble or makes a move, by the time he does it, guards are digging down, and his defender claims the space he’s trying to move into. Maybe we actually need Dave to SPEED UP?!

    Had an old coach tell me once, slow down to go fast.



  • @wissox The guy has an attitude, no doubt. I’m fine with it, as long as he doesn’t start intentionally tripping people.



  • @FarmerJayhawk said in CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts:

    @benshawks08 said in CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts:

    I think Dave has it in him to be a good passer. If he can work on kicking it out and making quicker decisions with the ball in the post he can do better to stay on the floor. It’s interesting because we all watch him and he LOOKS “sped up” or like the game is too fast but I think that’s more of a symptom of being slow in making decisions. If he keeps the ball in the post and takes a dribble or makes a move, by the time he does it, guards are digging down, and his defender claims the space he’s trying to move into. Maybe we actually need Dave to SPEED UP?!

    Had an old coach tell me once, slow down to go fast.

    My favorite to tell my golfers is “Slow is smooth and smooth is fast”



  • @benshawks08 You’re a golf coach? I need some lessons. I’ve only been playing 35 years so I haven’t had much time to learn the game yet.



  • @wissox I’m a high school golf coach, not a golf professional. I hang around in the high 70s and low 80s but certainly know enough to get some kids who’ve never played before started and coach up some kids with a little experience. Not a ton of interest in the game in my school community so I don’t have to be an expert. Have a few connections with some actual golf teaching professionals for the kids who want to get more serious.



  • @benshawks08 Easily the best coaching gig at the high school level.

    They tried to get me to coach the third team for basketball but with my other positions on campus I couldn’t manage all of it.



  • https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/1337167165632503812?s=21

    Interesting thread here from Jesse. May explain what was going on with big Dave on that late I’m the game look for three.



  • @benshawks08 said in CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts:

    @benshawks08 Easily the best coaching gig at the high school level.

    They tried to get me to coach the third team for basketball but with my other positions on campus I couldn’t manage all of it.

    If you’re wondering, I’m that teacher that’s bad at saying no when admin needs someone to do something.



  • @benshawks08 I was heading towards my first sub 90 round on a normal length course. 4 holes to play. 4 par holes for me, there are no birdie holes in my golf world. On the 15th tee my principal calls me to tell me a girl who had actually punched me that day in the back went to the Baton Rouge Superintendent and said I had laid hands on her. Well I was friends with the superintendent so I wasn’t super worried, but still stuff like this can be career wrecking. I soldiered on my quest to break 90, actually was going to make it till I hit a fat 8 iron the 14o yard 18th hole right into the pond. Made 90 right on the number. Still mad, sad really about the girl and her mom who abetted her lie.



  • By the way this is the same principal who told me to go check lockers for bombs after a bomb threat was called into our school! I found a bunch of moldy lunch bags and smelly gym uniforms, but thankfully no bombs. He and I still laugh about it.



  • @benshawks08 said in CreightonBarrel Game Random Thoughts:

    https://twitter.com/jessenewell/status/1337167165632503812?s=21

    Interesting thread here from Jesse. May explain what was going on with big Dave on that late I’m the game look for three.

    This is useful. If Dave can end up decent on the defensive end, and we limit his usage on the offensive end and have him set more firm screens, I think that’s all I really want. At the time he sagged off those 3 pt shooters I was was blaming Dave. Not his fault.



  • @wissox Ouch. That hurts all the way around.



  • @benshawks08 works in the military too.


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