Post game thoughts on Baylor Game.
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Of course. You took the words .right out of my mouth.
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@Kip_McSmithers post game self said they worked on it, before unlv. Think they have that on the other site
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Howling.
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I could have my Self colored glasses on, but I believe his offense flows from his players.
Self has said in the past how he used to be a big “set play guy” but he has changed his offense ever since '06 to be a more free flowing system. All his plays have multiple options based on what the defense does. If we look back to the '08, 12, and 13 seasons, we see those teams burned zones. The players were older and they had a feel for the offense of Self.
Like most offenses, the offense starts with a pass to the wing off a pick from a big man. From that, the point guard cuts and rotates to the other wing, and the other guard or big man pops out to the top of the key. It is all about ball reversal to create angles for the hogs below the basket. But there is not a specific pass that leads to a bucket, rather players flowing on the wing and big men establishing position.
The part that has me pulling my hair out was we did not do what we did before league play, take early shots if they are open. They kept doing past years and thought that enough ball reversals would equal good position for the hoss down low. Instead of attacking with a shot or drive off the second and third pass, we just kept passing the ball around the perimeter, hoping a magical leprechaun would come down for a backside lob.
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@justanotherfan TT only lost by 9 to Texas. Good, young kids.
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@MoonwalkMafia everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I liked Tharpe too. Who called him a scrub? Fact is he had good moments and bad moments. Good that you brought up some of his better games. However, he also had 15 games last year where he shot less than 30% from the field including 3 zero percent games. There is nothing false about my statement. In fact, my claim is that other players improving can be at someone’s expense. Tharpe was a good player that struggled last year.I also remember Frankamp shooting us back into the Stanford game. Not bad for a Freshman.
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I think a stat no one is talking about this game is turnovers. We only had 8! That is outstanding even in a slow pace game like last night. No player had more than two from what I saw. So while they may not have been as aggressive as they should have been, at least the boys protected. And I wasn’t counting but pretty sure they won the deflection battle even if they didn’t all turn into fast break points.
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@benshawks08 Very good point. And I do believe we had zero turnovers in the second half.
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@jaybate-1.0 said:
QA is about being close for the right reasons.
KENPOM’s prediction was close and so one should look more closely at his profile of reasons to discover controllable elements of it that might enable KU to escape its determinism. All systems can be open ended, or closed, depending to some degree whether we choose to reinforce them, or break out of them, as Turing chose to break out/externalize a game changer (the computer) across the skull wall boundary and so move beyond his analog, masonry past and agonizingly into a digital, vacuum-tubed and electron-flow connected Base 1 present. And the director brilliantly puts the audience in a perspective that feels like one is looking back at Turing who is in our past.
Well said.
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Traylor played like the man we thought he could be! Frank mason is my MVP of this team- he’s always doing something good. Gonna be huge if we get Devonte back. I think a loss in this game might have elicited probably unreasonable doom and gloom for this young team, or maybe just for the fan base. Good thing we won!
We don’t normally talk about a players confidence- you guys really think Perry confidence could be hurting? Some of these guys are getting pretty seasoned you would hope.
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@HighEliteMajor The Keep Away comment struck me as funny because that thought occurred to me while I was watching. I’m not enough of an X and O guy to comment about how to attack the zone. I have never thought that Self’s strength was running a precise offense like Belien or even ol’ Roy. It was good to see Traylor operate effectively in that gap in the 2nd half. Baylor adjusted, which then appeared to open up more opportunities on the outside…thus our scoring chances down the stretch.
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@BucknellJayhawk3 I don’t think there is any question that Perry loses confidence at times out there. You could see if with his hands on his head posture as he headed to the sideline. It seems to affect his open looks also…he hesitates and then misses.
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Overall, though we won a road game at a place where some of the other contenders may not. Selden turning it on down the stretch after not showing much was almost hard to believe. I would point out, though, that he drove the lane a couple of times in the first half and was just short and had one roll off…if those 2 shots go in he might not have appeared to have such a bad first 35 mins. Sometimes it’s a fine line…
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@BeddieKU23 Cool post! Great points, all of them. What the heck is wrong with Perry Ellis!?!? Dude just has not had a good game in like half the season so far. I see him drop his head on missed shots and missed D & missed boards? Maybe he is realizing he isnt NBA material? I have no idea but its hard to watch. He is a good player, a good one. Very good. But he isnt playing like it. Its like he is psyching himself out before the game starts, anticipating that he’ll fuck up somewhere and just lets that keep him from playing to his talent level.
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@benshawks08 Benshaw, great point. In a nutshell, they had one more turnover and that led to a KU win.
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the other was assists with 19. I believe was a season high and had been a season long struggle for this team. We lost basically every other stat that matters but still got the W. It was a tuff game, both defenses gave it their all.
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@Lulufulu I think Bill’s toughening box is breaking him down. His body language has changed so much the last 4-5 games.
The locker room ideology among this team, as conveyed and promoted by Self, has Perry at the top of the leadership hierarchy. The reality is that he is not a leader and he isn’t THE natural leader of this team. Dealing with this and that he isn’t living up to his own expectations along with Self’s beatdowns in practice is getting to him, imo.
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@BeddieKU23 I sensed urgency in their crisp and deliberate passing for the first time this year, so that was nice to see. But I think the season high in assists has more to do with the zone defense they were playing against than anything else.
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@justanotherfan Im not saying we are going to beat Okie state but they just dont seem like they will be as big an upset threat as they were the last two years with Mr Flopper king Smart.
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Of course, Smurf-on-Steroids Part Deux, AKA Phil Forte, will probably go off for 30+ points…
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@JayHawkFanToo If Mason guards him? No way.
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It is a KU tradition, we always allow a player from the other team to have a career day…:(
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That kid for some reason seems to have it out for us every time we play them. It’s not like we didn’t recruit him and Smart. He choose to go to Oklahoma St so I’ve been perplexed everytime we play them that Forte gets pass half court and chucks shots at the rim that go in. This year he has added more to his game than just 3 point shooting so he’s not as easy to guard. Hopefully we stop him from making everything again
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@JayHawkFanToo but… We win!
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Of course we win…we are KU!!!
