2021 Recruiting
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
Agbaji is a more or less a replacement level player at KU, maybe slightly below even but he has traits that Self values a bit too highly at times.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Doesn’t mean he should be though. He’s a solid defender, but that’s about his only positive attribute on the floor which is why Self plays him. That said, Agbaji’s defense isn’t good enough to negate how bad he is on the floor unlike Garrett who, even as a worse shooter than Agbaji, is a much better offensive player than Agbaji because Garrett can dribble, pass, and drive to the basket and be a force on offense. Agbaji only plays the minutes he does because Self doesn’t have a better option at this point. I will also say that I think Agbaji’s defense only seems as good as it does because he’s spent a lot of his time on the floor at the 4 spot so he’s mostly guarded slower players.
I’m gonna call it now and say that after Agbaji leaves KU, he’s gonna be debated about in the same category as Jamari Traylor who actually had a better career PER than Agbaji does now and was actuallyuch better PER in Big 12 games.
With the plethora of 4’s KU has next year, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Agbaji have a big reduction in minutes this upcoming season. I’ll say it now that KU’s best line up next season is going to be Garrett, Thompson, Braun, Lightfoot, McCormack.
I agree with some of this but I can’t even envision KU’s best line-up next year involving Mitch Lightfoot. If we are going to bring up stats with Agbaji, which I think is fair then you have to look at Mitch’s stats too. Career negative OBPM, average PER (factoring in he mostly played as a big, it’s more or less on par with Agbaji because PER favors bigs) etc… I will believe he is a real threat from three when he takes and makes a real number per game. Where he does well is defensively, which is where I think next year has a lot of potential in general.
So I think Agbaji should see a minutes reduction, but I don’t think Mitch should be playing more than 15 in any given game. If Mitch does prove to be a much improved player then he should and will get big minutes.
I have heard that Self is absolutely enamored with TGF, fwiw. @FarmerJayhawk Have you heard similar?
Self has gotten enamoured with plenty players before that didn’t live up to his own hype. I’ve always been very skeptical of JuCo’s because it’s very common for JuCo player’s to get overhyped and then come in and struggle. Rewatching TGF’s JuCo tape, he’s got some significant holes in his game that have me doubting how effective he’ll be right away.
@FarmerJayhawk sorry, but Ochai really should not be starting or playing crunch time minutes for KU because he is a net negative for KU in end game scenarios and is someone that you can leave unguarded on offense with minimal risk of getting burned.
I absolutely think he’ll have an adjustment period. In TGF’s case it’s not just Self either. NBA guys are really high on him as well.
He did make some boneheaded plays down the stretch last year, but also got put in some bad spots (Dotson wasn’t a great passer and sometimes got tunnel vision). I expect his feel and basketball IQ to improve this year. He’s still newish to the game and should make some progress. But could also see Braun in that role, especially if he keeps shooting 40+% from 3. Bill still loves Ochai’s defense, and will play a lot. You may disagree, which is fine, but that’s the way Self will play it.
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@jayhawks2010 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Is Micwaber etienne an option still? I know we offered and he’s a top 50ish center? That year we will have a jr braun, wilson, Enruna, ochai. Maybe Thomson or tgf if they return. A very good McCormick. Clemence will be an impact freshman. So I think we will be fine! Key is we need a good point guard. Hickman is key. You land him the class still has 2 top 50 players both addressing our need a power forward and a top pg. With 2022 hopefully adding top 50 level shooting guard talent in Grady dick. It’s annoying Baylor stole a recruit we should always get, but the league needs to be strong. That helps us prepare for a championship run, and gives us more credit when we win it. Baylor’s biggest advantage next year is that we may not have fans in the stadium next year, which takes away our home court advantage
He was probably never a real option due to his aau team.
22 if KU is out from the NCAA shadow could be a strong class. Lots of good local talent. There are also some kids that want to be Jayhawks but it will be interesting to see if KU makes a push such as Juju Ramirez and Braden Appelhans.
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@FarmerJayhawk I hope you are right because he needs to get better if he is going to play massive minutes regardless.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
Agbaji is a more or less a replacement level player at KU, maybe slightly below even but he has traits that Self values a bit too highly at times.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Doesn’t mean he should be though. He’s a solid defender, but that’s about his only positive attribute on the floor which is why Self plays him. That said, Agbaji’s defense isn’t good enough to negate how bad he is on the floor unlike Garrett who, even as a worse shooter than Agbaji, is a much better offensive player than Agbaji because Garrett can dribble, pass, and drive to the basket and be a force on offense. Agbaji only plays the minutes he does because Self doesn’t have a better option at this point. I will also say that I think Agbaji’s defense only seems as good as it does because he’s spent a lot of his time on the floor at the 4 spot so he’s mostly guarded slower players.
I’m gonna call it now and say that after Agbaji leaves KU, he’s gonna be debated about in the same category as Jamari Traylor who actually had a better career PER than Agbaji does now and was actuallyuch better PER in Big 12 games.
With the plethora of 4’s KU has next year, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Agbaji have a big reduction in minutes this upcoming season. I’ll say it now that KU’s best line up next season is going to be Garrett, Thompson, Braun, Lightfoot, McCormack.
I agree with some of this but I can’t even envision KU’s best line-up next year involving Mitch Lightfoot. If we are going to bring up stats with Agbaji, which I think is fair then you have to look at Mitch’s stats too. Career negative OBPM, average PER (factoring in he mostly played as a big, it’s more or less on par with Agbaji because PER favors bigs) etc… I will believe he is a real threat from three when he takes and makes a real number per game. Where he does well is defensively, which is where I think next year has a lot of potential in general.
So I think Agbaji should see a minutes reduction, but I don’t think Mitch should be playing more than 15 in any given game. If Mitch does prove to be a much improved player then he should and will get big minutes.
I have heard that Self is absolutely enamored with TGF, fwiw. @FarmerJayhawk Have you heard similar?
Self has gotten enamoured with plenty players before that didn’t live up to his own hype. I’ve always been very skeptical of JuCo’s because it’s very common for JuCo player’s to get overhyped and then come in and struggle. Rewatching TGF’s JuCo tape, he’s got some significant holes in his game that have me doubting how effective he’ll be right away.
@FarmerJayhawk sorry, but Ochai really should not be starting or playing crunch time minutes for KU because he is a net negative for KU in end game scenarios and is someone that you can leave unguarded on offense with minimal risk of getting burned.
I absolutely think he’ll have an adjustment period. In TGF’s case it’s not just Self either. NBA guys are really high on him as well.
He did make some boneheaded plays down the stretch last year, but also got put in some bad spots (Dotson wasn’t a great passer and sometimes got tunnel vision). I expect his feel and basketball IQ to improve this year. He’s still newish to the game and should make some progress. But could also see Braun in that role, especially if he keeps shooting 40+% from 3. Bill still loves Ochai’s defense, and will play a lot. You may disagree, which is fine, but that’s the way Self will play it.
Agbaji made stupid plays consistently all year long. There’s little evidence his basketball IQ will improve because his situational awareness is garbage. Agbaji’s defense is not good enough to compensate for just how bad he is on offense. Christian Braun is already a better all around player than Agbaji and should get all of Agbaji’s minutes this year while Agbaji plays 15-20 mpg.
NBA guys loving players doesn’t mean much to me honestly because they still focus a lot more on potential instead of production. Those same scouts after 2019 were projecting Agbaji to be a 1st round pick this upcoming 2020 draft at the time because of his tools. TGF has good tools, but there’s just been too many JuCo players over the years, not specifically KU, that have been hyped to the moon as instant impact and potential NBA players that never amount to anything more than a role player at their school. Coaches and scouts always drool over players with the tools TGF and Agbaji have, but I’m to the point that players that get hyped by coaches like that have to prove it to me.
This is why I like Lightfoot so much. No, he’s never going to be a guy to game plan around, but he’s a guy that will go out and steal a couple of possessions a he, make good decisions with the basketball, get other players open with his screens and play sound, fundamental defense.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Tyon in place of Lightfoot.
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Pay attention to KJ Adams who is announcing on the 31st.
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@BShark Interesting. 24-7 listed him as 100% KU. They were a bit foggy as to his position though, as far as size and position? Is he a 3 or 4 or both? Any idea on his skill set.
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
Pay attention to KJ Adams who is announcing on the 31st.
saw that - # 73 off 247 - -think he might or should be a little higher then that - -would be a nice pick up
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this kind of caught me of guard , when I saw the headline my 1st reaction was must be Hickman - -then seen it was KJ - thing is another frontline player that makes him and Clemmons right " - -we kind of loaded there aren’t we ? - I would think we could use more help in the Back court however IF we land Hickman that will help -let’s do this - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Looks like Rivals is predicting Adams to KU also. - - - -KU 75 % - -Texas Tech 25 %
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Here’s what I pulled from Rivals, “ No matter how you try to defend Adams, he is a hard object to move. When Adams gets the opportunity to get settled on the block and take on anyone when he has the ball in his hands, it usually results in points. Also, Adams gets out into the running lanes in transition, and he attacks hard and runs hard to get all the momentum possible on his way to the basket. Whether it’s rebounding or scoring, everything he does at the rim is with force. Adams shows an in-your-face overall game and don’t allow him to get the ball from a shooting stance because he will size up the basket and sink the mid-range jumper. His range does extend out to the arc, but you want him where he can get to ball off a missed shot.
With his bulk, athleticism, and strength, Adams has versatility to his game and he is a tough match-up at the high school level.”
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Seen where w got 2 more CB’S off 247 for KJ - - makes 4 CB’S for the day. - -Checked rivals again it was 75 % to 25 % for Tech - -now KU at 80 % - -but Tech at 31 % - - - umm what ? lol
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@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Seen where w got 2 more CB’S off 247 for KJ - - makes 4 CB’S for the day. - -Checked rivals again it was 75 % to 25 % for Tech - -now KU at 80 % - -but Tech at 31 % - - - umm what ? lol
KU has all the recent expert picks on Rivals. Texas Tech has no expert picks, but a lot of “fan” picks which I think are open to any account with a paid membership. Admittedly, their system can be a bit confusing.
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Seen where w got 2 more CB’S off 247 for KJ - - makes 4 CB’S for the day. - -Checked rivals again it was 75 % to 25 % for Tech - -now KU at 80 % - -but Tech at 31 % - - - umm what ? lol
KU has all the recent expert picks on Rivals. Texas Tech has no expert picks, but a lot of “fan” picks which I think are open to any account with a paid membership. Admittedly, their system can be a bit confusing.
ahhh ok – thanks bud - - 247 just gave another - -that is 5 today - -thanks for you info appreciate that
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New JUCO offer out
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KU not involved here but just another example of the rankings struggling to catch up: https://247sports.com/Player/Josh-Minott-46100032/
Unranked but top 5 of Texas, Memphis, Baylor, Maryland and Florida State.
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
New JUCO offer out
Sooo didn’t see position played - - is he worth anything ?
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@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
New JUCO offer out
Sooo didn’t see position played - - is he worth anything ?
He’s a 5. 6’8 265, pure low post/rebounder type. Doke-esque touch from the line. https://www.loganvols.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/curry_sydney_t8do
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@FarmerJayhawk Thank you for that. If we add him with Clemence, and sign Bates and a PG, I’m good.
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@Marco said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk Thank you for that. If we add him with Clemence, and sign Bates and a PG, I’m good.
Any time. That’s kind of where I’m at as well. Without guaranteed PT or ability to put on official visits (where KU is the best in the biz) it’s going to be tough to reach into the top 25 to get guys.
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@FarmerJayhawk also the ncaa bullshit.
Hickman would be ideal, need an impact guard with Garrett leaving.
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Surprised we snuck into KJ’s recruitment. Film always stuck out months back when I was looking for a quality 4 combo forward. Didn’t think we had a chance but this looks like consolation from losing on a 5 star talent
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I like what I’m seeing on youtube. Willing passer, finishes through contact, serviceable jump shot. And yeah seems like the staff turned up the heat after KB went to Baylor, where KJ was initially leaning. Basically a swap if you will.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
New JUCO offer out
Sooo didn’t see position played - - is he worth anything ?
He’s a 5. 6’8 265, pure low post/rebounder type. Doke-esque touch from the line. https://www.loganvols.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/curry_sydney_t8do
Oh Mercy Doke touch from the line lol - - -well work to do lol. - -Thanks for the info buddy
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offered PG Rahsool Diggins committed to Uconn. As far as we know Hickman remains the main target and hopeful commitment at the PG position.
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A Class of Clemence, Hickman & Adams would put KU 3rd in the Nation slightly behind Villanova and Baylor FYI.
Seems like a best case scenario class
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Recruiting:
offered PG Rahsool Diggins committed to Uconn. As far as we know Hickman remains the main target and hopeful commitment at the PG position.
UConn is back in the game. I see no reason why they shouldn’t be the best basketball school in the AAC.
All things considered Hickman, Bates, Adams, Clemence and a warm body at the 5 would be a home run.
Not fully sure on Bates anymore or who the center will be. I’d be fine with the JUCO kid or Landers as long as Dave is back we don’t need much immediately at the position. Hickman is the big immediate need. Yeah the staff likes Harris but Hickman would come in and start no doubt in my mind.
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Recruiting:
offered PG Rahsool Diggins committed to Uconn. As far as we know Hickman remains the main target and hopeful commitment at the PG position.
UConn is back in the game. I see no reason why they shouldn’t be the best basketball school in the AAC.
All things considered Hickman, Bates, Adams, Clemence and a warm body at the 5 would be a home run.
Not fully sure on Bates anymore or who the center will be. I’d be fine with the JUCO kid or Landers as long as Dave is back we don’t need much immediately at the position. Hickman is the big immediate need. Yeah the staff likes Harris but Hickman would come in and start no doubt in my mind.
Yeah I would have said Salis or Bates but I think the ship has sailed with both tbh. Hickman and a true 5 and that’s a solid 4 man class.
I really like Harris and Hickman would be a good complimentary PG to him, a little more scoring punch and just a good all around player imo. I think those two could coexist together if needed.
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@BeddieKU23 Totally agree, like Frank and Graham. Always good to have more actual guards, as the roster is now we have a LOT of wings.
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https://247sports.com/Player/DeAnte-Green-46094323/
Speaking of wing/forward type players. NC State is his “dream school” but it sounds like he will visit KU. Think it’s one of those two or Louisville unless Nike swoops in.
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@BShark Okay, call me a silver linings guy and correct me if I’m wrong, but with our abundance of wings doesn’t KJ seem to be a better fit than KB?
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@Marco I think the staff views them similarly given the press for Adams after whiffing on KB.
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@Marco I think the staff views them similarly given the press for Adams after whiffing on KB.
THAT WOULD BE RIGHT ABOUT ADAMS
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Good news is Adams is ultra productive. 23 and 9 for his HS team last year as a junior. Plenty of time to work on the jumper and his body. Ideally could be a nice small ball 4 man.
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He has pretty good handles from the videos I saw. Could even play SF
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
New JUCO offer out
Sooo didn’t see position played - - is he worth anything ?
He’s a 5. 6’8 265, pure low post/rebounder type. Doke-esque touch from the line. https://www.loganvols.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/curry_sydney_t8do
Been watching highlights. I think he might be the best realistic option we have at the 5. Yeah he’s undersized but he is THICK and dunks frequently and violently. I think he would be a great back-up 5 for Dave next year.
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
New JUCO offer out
Sooo didn’t see position played - - is he worth anything ?
He’s a 5. 6’8 265, pure low post/rebounder type. Doke-esque touch from the line. https://www.loganvols.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/curry_sydney_t8do
Been watching highlights. I think he might be the best realistic option we have at the 5. Yeah he’s undersized but he is THICK and dunks frequently and violently. I think he would be a great back-up 5 for Dave next year.
I was thinking Joey Dorsey as a comp. Starting 5 for Memphis when we beat them in 08. Not the shot blocker Dorsey was, but a really good rebounder and effort guy.
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@FarmerJayhawk reasonable comp. Actually extremely similar size too. Do you know where he is on the priority list? Self seems more grounded lately but wondering if the staff thinks they have a shot at Reid, Kepnang, Etienne etc…
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk reasonable comp. Actually extremely similar size too. Do you know where he is on the priority list? Self seems more grounded lately but wondering if the staff thinks they have a shot at Reid, Kepnang, Etienne etc…
They’d take any of those guys before Curry. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to take Curry as your only center type guy because he’s only a year behind Dave. I do think it makes some sense to take Curry and a freshman as an insurance policy against Dave going pro (don’t think that’s going to happen) or a transfer.
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Curry played for the same school as Jay Scrubb who was the Juco that went pro instead of going to Louisville this year.
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@FarmerJayhawk yeah that’s logical in a normal situation. I’m just not sure they can land any of those guys or the other 5s on the 24/7 target list in the current climate.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
Good news is Adams is ultra productive. 23 and 9 for his HS team last year as a junior. Plenty of time to work on the jumper and his body. Ideally could be a nice small ball 4 man.
Just saw this. Yeah he compiled stats and his team won a lot. 33-2.
BSnow used that same term, production. Also seen it mentioned that he is known for his toughness and rebounding prowess. This kid, assuming he does come to KU, is going to be like Ochai, Lucas, Agbaji and play way more than many fans think he should. So in that sense, I feel this is a smart decision for him lol.
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
Good news is Adams is ultra productive. 23 and 9 for his HS team last year as a junior. Plenty of time to work on the jumper and his body. Ideally could be a nice small ball 4 man.
Just saw this. Yeah he compiled stats and his team won a lot. 33-2.
BSnow used that same term, production. Also seen it mentioned that he is known for his toughness and rebounding prowess. This kid, assuming he does come to KU, is going to be like Ochai, Lucas, Agbaji and play way more than many fans think he should. So in that sense, I feel this is a smart decision for him lol.
He is coming to ku
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 ST Johns had 100% pick rates for Jordan Riley until the day before his announcement when everybody pivoted to Georgetown, we will see.
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@JAYHAWKFAN214 ST Johns had 100% pick rates for Jordan Riley until the day before his announcement when everybody pivoted to Georgetown, we will see.
It will be us on Friday
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@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk reasonable comp. Actually extremely similar size too. Do you know where he is on the priority list? Self seems more grounded lately but wondering if the staff thinks they have a shot at Reid, Kepnang, Etienne etc…
They’d take any of those guys before Curry. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to take Curry as your only center type guy because he’s only a year behind Dave. I do think it makes some sense to take Curry and a freshman as an insurance policy against Dave going pro (don’t think that’s going to happen) or a transfer.
Taking Curry as a bridge to give Gethro an extra year to develop isn’t the worst option. I also can’t see Dave leaving early either so by the time Curry would be gone, Gethro would be entering his 3rd year at KU at that point and be refined enough to start
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@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
Good news is Adams is ultra productive. 23 and 9 for his HS team last year as a junior. Plenty of time to work on the jumper and his body. Ideally could be a nice small ball 4 man.
Just saw this. Yeah he compiled stats and his team won a lot. 33-2.
BSnow used that same term, production. Also seen it mentioned that he is known for his toughness and rebounding prowess. This kid, assuming he does come to KU, is going to be like Ochai, Lucas, Agbaji and play way more than many fans think he should. So in that sense, I feel this is a smart decision for him lol.
Adams level of competition in HS last year was pure garbage. Take anything I’ve ever said about the quality of the HS competition Quentin Grimes faced in Houston and copy/paste to Adams except Austin is worse than Houston. The D/FW area is the only area in Texas where there’s a lot of quality basketball teams.
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10000% love KJ’S Instagram comit video 2 minute 56 second video just really love the way he put this together, one of the better one’s I have seen for awhile.
This kid below the rim Player ? - -I Call Total BULL SHIT. - i have seen Multiple , Multiple video’s and when the opportunity , the time is there , the kid is ABOVE the rim , has no problem flushing the dam thing , pretty decent looking J - thanks I’ll take him in a minute thank you very much - - NEXT ! ! ! - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
