Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.
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Couple of interesting tidbits about the virus I heard and read about today:
1st : They did a survey and found that out of the top 25 cities in the US, - - -that more higher income families were staying home more then the lower income families. - -INTERSTING
2nd.Heard that NY had just purchased and would be receiving 1,000 ventalitors from CHINA TODAY. Just found this pretty interesting , I mean we are purchasing these things from a Country that has been said that is responsible for this in the 1st place. Just goes to show all it boils down to is a bidding war /price goucing - -situation is really sad.
3rd: Here in Kansas up 78 positive cases from yesterday, beginning to spread more quickly/more cases. We now have 698 cases UP from 620 yesterday & now have 21 deaths - -up three from yesterday. - -Hang on to your butts. gonna get worse my friends. Stay Safe
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@jayballer73 even if you can get them to pull it I think it’s really worth it if they bring it out to your car. The biggest threat is entering the store and inhaling droplets in the air. Just keep your distance from the person bringing it out and I would open the trunk for them so they only touch the bags. I highly recommend finding an option where you can avoid entering the store. Then it’s just a matter of disinfecting the food when you get home, which would still be critical. Another option is to set aside anything non perishable for a time (guidelines say 3 days on plastic. I set aside everything a week). Then you just need to disinfect perishables. Mitigating concerns about the shopper touching stuff.
Sorry if my advice here is heavy handed or preachy. Trying to help and maybe also I’m enumerating my steps to just talk about it even if we’ve already talked about it so much
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@mayjay said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
@jayballer73 Where did you two meet, anyway? I hope things go well. We are bunkered down, too. Wife has asthma and atrial fibrillation, and I have high blood pressure and diabetes, so we are elevated risk even more than just being mid-60s. But your concern is even greater, and I wish you well in taking such care to protect your bride.
Ahh buddy , thank you soooo much. Believe it or not my wife and I met on a phone line dating site. I had like 3 minutes of time left on my account , and was just on a trial bases with the site and had 3 minute left on the trial. Pretty much had just had enough time to leave her a message with my phone number and said if she wanted to talk to me I left her my number. - About 1 hour later she called me lol.
We talked that night for quite some time. This was all totally sight un seen with one another. We talked for oh about a week. I live here in Topeka & she lived in Winfield. We talked and I said well if we really wanted to see if this was going to develop into anything we needed to meet, & I didn’t have any transportation at the time & she didn’t either. A buddy of mine told me he would drive me down to Winfield to pick her up , she was going to stay for the weekend. - - she NEVER went back lol , been with me every since. Going to be married 10 years this coming August, got married on my Birthday. We stay together for about a month then after our 1st month we got married lol - - Crazy I know BUT it worked. - she wanted me lmao - -I’m pretty hot lol… - I told her from the get go I said if your a woman looking for a guy that has a lot of Money then you need TO KEEP LOOKING. I’ve NEVER had a lot of money - - never have - - never will. Thank you for asking my friend , sorry I got carried away telling my story.
I hear you though with her condition and me and my heart conditions with my Pace Maker and Blood pressure issues very high risk. You take care my friend , you take care of your lil lady too. Life is precious even more so with that special someone. Take care my friend
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Very sweet story. I met my wife face to face (at the Smithsonian in D.C.) but shockingly she still wanted to start dating!
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@Ret said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
@jayballer73 said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
Couple of interesting tidbits about the virus I heard and read about today:
1st : They did a survey and found that out of the top 25 cities in the US, - - -that more higher income families were staying home more then the lower income families. - -INTERSTING
2nd.Heard that NY had just purchased and would be receiving 1,000 ventalitors from CHINA TODAY. Just found this pretty interesting , I mean we are purchasing these things from a Country that has been said that is responsible for this in the 1st place. Just goes to show all it boils down to is a bidding war /price goucing - -situation is really sad.
3rd: Here in Kansas up 78 positive cases from yesterday, beginning to spread more quickly/more cases. We now have 698 cases UP from 620 yesterday & now have 21 deaths - -up three from yesterday. - -Hang on to your butts. gonna get worse my friends. Stay Safe
Please read or just watch the video. DONATED not purchased
https://time.com/5815687/cuomo-ventilators-china-coronavirus/
DUDE one more time, back up this is a time I patience is VERY SHORT. - Dam man bottom line is donated, purchased - - it’s fricken CHINA - you don’t need to tell me - -CHINA CHINA CHINA the same dam country that withheld information about this, kept it from us check your facts there buddy. - We shouldn’t be doing squat with these idiots in any way shape or form.
Dealing with China in ANY WAY should not be allowed , almost as bad as 3m selling to china. - -Oh wait that’s not right either right? - - I’m sure you will feel the urge to try and correct me on this too huh? - - Good looking out , way to step up, thank you so much - -Dam people like you wear me out.
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@jayballer73 If we are not going to deal with idiots, who is left?
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@mayjay said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
@jayballer73 If we are not going to deal with idiots, who is left?
That’s true.
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@jayballer73 I don’t have a problem with taking something from China. The donation came from Jack Ma and the owner of the Nets. Why would we not accept a private donation of ventillators? Good on them to make it happen.
The problem is that we even NEEDED someone to donate them. We weren’t prepared. We should not be dependant internationally for ventillators.
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@approxinfinity said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
@jayballer73 I don’t have a problem with taking something from China. The donation came from Jack Ma and the owner of the Nets. Why would we not accept a private donation of ventillators? Good on them to make it happen.
The problem is that we even NEEDED someone to donate them. We weren’t prepared. We should not be dependant internationally for ventillators.
Well, then you run into this problem of how much excess of any medical supply do we need to be prepared for a situation. Because normally I would have to think a large number of ventilators aren’t even being used. So how do you justify the cost of making a bunch more that won’t be used (before covid). Do you then do this for all medical equipment? Idk.
In general we were ill-prepared for a viral pandemic despite epidemiologists harping on this for awhile now.
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@BShark I wonder to what extent we can be more prepared to pivot and produce ventillators for future pandemic preparedness. So we wouldnt need a huge stockpile so much as a larger stockpile as well as companies be able to switch production to ventillators quickly. We could make medical supply producers have the capacity to switch over and have a coordinated plan for production, distribution, and assembly of components all locally.
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Not a good day ( Sunday ) here in Kansas for the virus. Just came out the count went up from 747 to 845. - -Here in Shawnee Co . had 7 new cases - -looking towards better day.
Another sad note , came across my notifications that a new born baby in Louisiana passes away with the virus, as her mom had tested positive - -just sad.
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Really good read on this https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013
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Woah, Boris Johnson in icu. Think that will convince trump to wear a mask?
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@Crimsonorblue22 no. That idiot just needs some chloraquine. Duh. Common sense.
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@FarmerJayhawk good read.
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Dam Prime minister of the UK is in ICU only 55 years old went down hill fast
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@jayballer73 Very scary since the announcement yesterday was carefully worded as just for tests.
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@mayjay said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
@jayballer73 Very scary since the announcement yesterday was carefully worded as just for tests.
ya it is. - - and sounds like he isn’t that far off from a ventilator . - -The said the thing with the Prime minister is that the fever, saying normally the fever doesn’t persist but with him that was his major problem.
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Well guys you talk about being snake bit , now not saying for sure but just found out. My daughter, the one I told you about that had the surgery for the cyst - - - Well she just called and kind of afraid she might have the Virus. Not wanting to over react for sure BUT she went to the doctor for other reasons and she just about didn’t get to see the doctor.
Come to find out she is showing ALL the classic signs they have been talking about the accompanies the COVID-19. - - She has fever ( all be it - - low grade ) shorthness of breath at different times , has the cough - -& the issues with the nose. - - DAMMIT. we don’t know for sure , but man sure sounds like the classic sympthoms .
I told her well about all you can do right now is self quarantine for the 2 weeks , keep a super close eye on this - -if it persists and gets worse then CALL the doctor. - She says dad I don’t have any medicine , I told her Call the doctor and they will tell you exactly what to do.
The only thing that scares me with this is because she lives in Wyandotte which is one of the bigger hot spots here in Kansas for it. She is just off surgery not that far removed and as we know when that happens your immune system is lower easier to catch things , I told her not to mess around with this - -if it get’s any worse she needs to call the DR right then and there.
On top of that I will say IF and again IF this is what it turns out to be well - - then her boyfriend , and my 5 grandkids that are there are ALL quite possibly infected with it also - -DAM - when it rains - - it pours.
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@jayballer73 Your poor daughter, after going through the surgery!
Various ailments, including COVID-19, seem to affect so many people differently. Our Marine son at Miramar has been quarantined at his off-base apartment for 3 weeks with all the symptoms (fever, aches, shortness of breath, sharp burning chest pain with a dry cough) but tested negative. He is now feeling better, and going back to work. Flu? Negative for that, too. I wonder if the test was bad?
Good luck!
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@mayjay said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
@jayballer73 Your poor daughter, after going through the surgery!
Various ailments, including COVID-19, seem to affect so many people differently. Our Marine son at Miramar has been quarantined at his off-base apartment for 3 weeks with all the symptoms (fever, aches, shortness of breath, sharp burning chest pain with a dry cough) but tested negative. He is now feeling better, and going back to work. Flu? Negative for that, too. I wonder if the test was bad?
Good luck!
Thanks , current times are just a mess
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Well crap and here we go. Governor Kelly and The Attorney general & Legislative counsel are now going at it. - - Attorney General Schmidt has revoked Governor Kelly’s latest about restricting Church’s with amount of people, saying he thinks it breaks the constitutional rights of freedom of religion. Governor Kelly already has her legal Council checking to see how they can handle , saying it may go to Court a possibility
Governor Kelly saying now is not the time for this to become a political event and that was very underhanded and now with Yesterday being our worst day by far as we are now at 1,046 cases - -pretty big jump and the most deaths e had an increase of 11 deaths yesterday -which makes it a 40 % increase. - about to get ugly
KDHE Secetary of Health Dr Norman was very disappointed in todays actions by the attorney General and the Legislative Counsel, Kelly saying they are checking and her and the KDHE is afraid that this today will revoked the earlier they put in effect of the " Stay at Home " also. Dr Norman says he is afraid that todays actions will wipe out everything that they have tried to accomplish by instituting the stay at home. - -If people ignore the stay at home now it that turns out to be the case , then he said you are looking at a lot more positive cases and a lot more deaths.
This is the LAST thing we need in our State - - now is not the time to turn this into a political thing.
One other side note – I mentioned last week the Dept of Labor had sad that in ONE day they had received a record number of calls for filing of un-employment 877,000 - -WELL that number was Shattered. - Governor Kelly said that they had received in ONE DAY 1.6 Million calls - just crazy - - let’s get through this guys/gals - May GOD be with each and every one.
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This whole thing is getting very stupid, cancel churches, school, restaurants and work. Me driving by Walmart seeing the parking lot full And probably at a minimum 500 people. Turn on news, hundreds, possibly thousands waiting in line for unemployment. The church’s are a bare minimum of concern at this point. Wal Mart needs to close its doors and only do pick up orders. I have a family member that’s a Wal Mart manager and thinks this is very doable. They could put all hands on deck and add more times. Greed is the only reason not to, Wal Mart made a $150 billion last year and the guy says it’s been like Black Friday for a month straight.
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Our Walmart at lowly hutch only lets a few in and only 1 in an aisle at a Time. You wait outside till one comes out. All aisles are marked, and checkouts too. Plexiglass installed. Only 1 door too. Dillons same thing.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Same thing here, one door open (which is stupid because it means there is a traffic jam at one). I’m not sure what they are doing with the isles but it defeats the purpose of someone sick goes and breathes all down that isle. I didn’t go in and won’t til this clears up. To me we need to start mass closures, 50 people at church are less likely to spread stuff than 10s of thousands at Walmart. I’m sure just about all Walmart’s are doing the same thing being a corporation.
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@kjayhawks Our governor issued an order to not allow more than 5 people per 1,000 sq ft. Walmart has been doing it. People say it is wonderful.
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@mayjay maybe they are, I’m just saying the parking lot was full. That’s about all I could see, pictures all over Facebook of hundreds waiting in at stores. I’m just saying logically and statically it’s not smart to have a ton of people filing in and out all day when they are saying this stuff can live on items for days at time.
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@kjayhawks nobody can go in and out at the same time. No passing
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@mayjay yep
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Several cases in Kansas have been at a church in kck!
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@Crimsonorblue22 that’s good but I still think pick only would be safer. If hundreds or thousands are coming and going, all it takes it a couple of infected folks to touch or cough on stuff and you have thousands infected.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I’m in agreement that we shouldnt have church but while I’m just out driving around I see tons cars at certain places. I think that’s bad from how contagious this stuff is.
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@kjayhawks said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
This whole thing is getting very stupid, cancel churches, school, restaurants and work. Me driving by Walmart seeing the parking lot full And probably at a minimum 500 people. Turn on news, hundreds, possibly thousands waiting in line for unemployment. The church’s are a bare minimum of concern at this point. Wal Mart needs to close its doors and only do pick up orders. I have a family member that’s a Wal Mart manager and thinks this is very doable. They could put all hands on deck and add more times. Greed is the only reason not to, Wal Mart made a $150 billion last year and the guy says it’s been like Black Friday for a month straight.
I like your thoughts here, I’ve been thinking down these lines…this whole thing has really shown us where our inefficiencies lie in times of crisis.
The big problem I think with closing down the stores completely is the lack of transparency of what stock is left at the stores in real time. The big stores should be able to do this fairly easily for future preparation.
Without clear visibility into what stock is left, when the store has major shortages, everything breaks down and the person feels like they have to go into the store to find what they need.
I’m not shopping at Walmart right now, so I don’t know if their system is good enough to be accurate in real time. I know other stores’ systems are not.
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@approxinfinity Right and I’m not saying I have all the answers. But I think it’s safe to say, a large number of people at one place in one day could be bad potentially.
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@kjayhawks yeah man
we’re on the same page. they should really figure distribution out so we can get rid of blockers so we can handle something like this much much better going forward.I read yesterday that farms are dumping hundreds of thousands of gallons of milk because they were so dependent on the restaurant industry. There should be a plan for diverting perishable food goods that would go to the restaurant industry, and also a plan for redundancy of distribution chains if certain areas are affected more heavily by disaster.
We need serious consideration and planning by many smart people to get this figured out and maintained so that all of the big players in food have a cohesive disaster relief plan.
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Braving the Topeka badlands today. Walmart actually had Puffs Ultra tissue in stock.
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Aldi is wiping down carts when they come back.
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Well DAMMIT. , this is pretty frustrating just heard this off fox news radio at 9:00 this morning. This dam stuff is re-cycling in the Asia Countries right now.
In Toyoko , they said the positive cases of the Corona is going up - - -AGAIN. - -and that people who have had the Corona virus and recovered from it are GETING IT AGAIN.
We have just got to get this vaccine or SOMETHING to stop this. - This Country can not go this this year after year it will crush this country.
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The big thing will be when we get a vaccine, and how treatments advance. We had neither this year and got crushed. If the medical community can find workable treatments in the short-term, and an effective vaccine in the long term, we can go back to something resembling life as normal.
We will likely have to find new ways to disinfect surfaces to prevent casual spread of germs, but if we can do that, we may be able to slow not just COVID-19, but simpler things like the common cold and the seasonal flu. Long term, that would be an excellent outcome.
The key is learning from this whole experience. What worked, what did not. How can we be better prepared - not just stockpiling resources, but the ability to pivot production from one thing to another quickly. The ability to do things remotely. More widespread (and consistent) internet access.
If we learn, we can come out of this better. If not, we will stagnate and the next time will be far worse.
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@jayballer73 do you have a corroborating source that is real news? All I’m finding is one instance of reinfection from Feb 27th. I’m assuming Fox might be drudging up old news (like 1 person it happened to two months ago) and sensationalizing it in order to diffuse the backlash Trump is currently catching for his month of doing nothing and now his latest off the cuff train wreck of a press conference last night.
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@approxinfinity said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
@jayballer73 do you have a corroborating source that is real news? All I’m finding is one instance of reinfection from Feb 27th. I’m assuming Fox might be drudging up old news (like 1 person it happened to two months ago) and sensationalizing it in order to diffuse the backlash Trump is currently catching for his month of doing nothing and now his latest off the cuff train wreck of a press conference last night.
Dude All I can do is what’s out there by the National media. - - I know you got a hard on for Trump but come on man, The Corroborating source is FOX. - You don’t like Fox? - that’s easy to tell. - -WHY don’t you like Fox - -I can answer that , because they Side with Trump.
All Media is trash - - just like CNN and the ones that you love that love to bash Trump - -This National media ( Fox ) sides with Trump so people like yourself can’t stand that so they are no good. - - CNN bashes Trump so you love them and find them solid - -while others can’t stand CNN - it’s one vicious circle. - -I’m simply passing along what I had heard that’s it period.
But just so you know I’ve heard the same from WHO which is at odds with Trump so you ought to love them and THEY have said the same that in the Asian countries that the virus is re-cycling. You would have had to have your head buried deep in the sand not to have heard that. - This is even beyond yesterdays news. It’s been mentioned by multiple sources before Fox come on ease up there buddy. Just because Fox agrees with Trump doesn’t mean everything they report is bogus. - -Thought you were a little better then that man. And look I’m not doing this again going back and forth back and forth. - - You stated your opinion and been heard - - I gave you my rebuttal now I’m done - - As far as I’m concerned ALL media is trash, again just simply passing on what is out there. - -Now if you think it’s all BS - - -good for you, the one way to find out is sit back and see what happens next fall
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@jayballer73 all I care about is facts. So if this is legit news, there should be quantifiable facts. How many people have been reinfected and when? You honestly think Fox News wouldn’t drudge old stories and overblow them to help Trump look good and distract from his idiotic missteps? They do it all day every day. Standard playbook Fox. This isn’t a crazy assumption on my part. It should be our assumption of what is going on here unless there are corroborating stories. Seriously, we should never assume Fox to be valid without corroborating stories. In this case, by “corroborating stories”, I mean something that shows this to be a serious threat and not one instance of reinfection that happened 2 months ago. Maybe it’s happening and maybe it’s a greater problem, but I’m not finding it. So. We should!
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@approxinfinity @jayballer73 I posted this in another thread a couple weeks ago, but it puts some meat on the bones https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive
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@FarmerJayhawk thanks. Yeah I skimmed it the first time you posted, reread it now.
So in this story, the who/when/where/why was…:
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on March 27th,
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4 people were reported to have been reinfected
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in Wuhan (so harder to get straight answers)
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and questions remain as to whether it could be explained by there being a possible false negative in between the 2 positive results, and questions whether they are infectious when testing positive the second time. In the case of the latter theory, I guess then maybe they just have antibodies present that cause a positive result?
@jayballer73 to your point, it’s something we should keep an eye on, for sure. And it’s scary. But I’m hoping the testing just needs to be improved.
Still stuff like this, in addition to something I read yesterday that asymptomatic people are showing heart and liver (I think, though it might have been kidney) damage from COVID… This also needs further evidence, but it’s the kind of scary crap that makes me want to never get this even if I could get it and recover. Not worth it until we have answers.
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@approxinfinity said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
@jayballer73 all I care about is facts. So if this is legit news, there should be quantifiable facts. How many people have been reinfected and when? You honestly think Fox News wouldn’t drudge old stories and overblow them to help Trump look good and distract from his idiotic missteps? They do it all day every day. Standard playbook Fox. This isn’t a crazy assumption on my part. It should be our assumption of what is going on here unless there are corroborating stories. Seriously, we should never assume Fox to be valid without corroborating stories. And this case, by “corroborating stories”, I mean something that shows this to be a serious threat and not one instance of reinfection that happened 2 months ago. Maybe it’s happening and maybe it’s a greater problem, but I’m not finding it. So. We should!
ok look I’m tired about going back and forth really buddy, you like to call out Fox - -I’m telling you EVERY FRICKEN STATION drudges up old bullshit to promote Trump – Biden - - - Sanders who ever the hell they back.- - not only on Presidents ALL NATIONAL Media is going to do whatever they need to do to pat theirselves on the back - -things they think will draw good ratings for them.
I’m so sick of hearing Trump - - Trump - - trump - and I’m not even THAT huge of fan of his the one thing I do know is that Trump has not put this Nation in the Shape is in today - -This country has been so screwed up for a long time now from PREVIOUS presidents, or as you would like to hear it’s been screwed up LONG before Trump took office. The situation we are in didn’t get screwed up in a single term -it sure the hell isn’t going to be that perfect Nation that so many seem to be looking for in a Single term.
You can talk till your blue in the face and I’ll say your talking bullshit if you try and tell me the reason this Nation is in the shape it’s in only because of Trump that is just TOTALLY ILLOGICIAL BULLSHIT. maybe in your eyes he has damaged this country - -great your entitled to that , but dam I know your smarter then that to think it’s all him – Obama - and many others before have ALL had a hand in this
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@jayballer73 this one was on you. You brought up a fact raised on Fox. Therefore that’s what we were talking about. The validity of a fact on Fox. Not a fact on CNN. Not about Biden. Come on man. This whole “everything is bullshit from everyone!!!” line is thrown around a lot these days to completely scramble logical process. It simply does not matter at all here. Let’s stick with what we were talking about.
We are talking about a fact you brought up that you heard from Fox. If you know Fox spins for Trump, this makes it of utmost importance for you to verify information you receive from them in regards to a crisis in which Trump is front and center. Whatever about Biden or CNN, etx in no way changes the fact that you should verify your source, knowing that it’s spin.
@FarmerJayhawk gave me a corroborating story, which was helpful, but that story didn’t have too much more meat it in it either.
You need to not get hung up on defending Trump or Fox. I’m allowed to challenge the effectiveness of Trump or the validity of news on Fox without it having to be a fullstop drop everything and throw out “but the other guy does it” stuff. Questioning is part of the process to understand things better.
Stay with me man, I’ve already moved past it in the next post.
And if I ever quote something that I can’t verify, and I fail to mention that it’s not verifiable, please call me out. I want that kind of feedback. It makes our understanding better.
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@approxinfinity said in Coronavirus Thread: Boy, guys. I really just don't know. Best to keep tabs.:
@jayballer73 this one was on you. I brought up a fact raised on Fox. Therefore that’s what we were talking about. The validity of a fact on Fox. Not a fact on CNN. Not about Biden. Come on man. This whole “everything is bullshit from everyone!!!” line is thrown around a lot these days to completely scramble logical process. It simply does not matter at all here. Let’s stick with what we were talking about.
We are talking about a fact you brought up that you heard from Fox. If you know Fox spins for Trump, this makes it of utmost importance for you to verify information you receive from them in regards to a crisis in which Trump is front and center. Whatever about Biden or CNN, etx in no way changes the fact that you should verify your source, knowing that it’s spin.
@FarmerJayhawk gave me a corroborating story, which was helpful, but that story didn’t have too much more meat it in it either.
You need to not get hung up on defending Trump or Fox. I’m allowed to challenge the effectiveness of Trump or the validity of news on Fox without it having to be a fullstop drop everything and throw out “but the other guy does it!!!” Stuff. Stay with me man, I’ve already moved past it in the next post.
I’m done - - now on a side note and yet about the virus, just read off WIBW news that our local hospital St Mt Vail - - KDHE has announced it as a Corona Cluster. They have 13 employess now who had tested positive for the virus. – A doctor , some nurses , others were from the emergency dept and the others were from post anathesia people - - THAT’S not good. - -also the CEO of the hospital said Monday they had 150 employees on Self quarantine - -today was 105, mercy having this in the hospital is kind of scary. - My niece is there right now recovering from blood clots in her leg and both lungs - -hoping for the best so she doesn’t get it.
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@jayballer73 that’s scary. Can you get her out/transfered? She sounds high risk with lung issues.
