Hypothetical For Next Season
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wissox said:
Zion is withdrawing from the draft and transferring to Kansas.
Is he a grad transfer?
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dylans said:
wissox said:
Zion is withdrawing from the draft and transferring to Kansas.
Is he a grad transfer?
Now that would be a game changer! He took like 70 credits per semester I think, so yes heās a grad transfer.
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@wissox There was talk of him staying at Dook. I heard Dook doesnāt pay quite as much, but they offer better benefits to his mother, so it was a hard decision.
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@wissox Well, I do think that deserved it. Best one in a while.
The Zion thing made me think of how much these guys are actually in school. You know, how Vick is working hard from Memphis, tending to important personal business.
Read this article ā¦ Dedric isnāt in class. http://www2.kusports.com/news/2019/may/13/3-point-shot-has-been-emphasis-dedric-lawson-ahead/ How could he return, or someone similarly situated?
By the way, I vote Dotson. Jalen coming too might sway me. Pondering ā¦
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Vick is graduating
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So he never set foot on KUās campus after leaving, didnāt attend class, and heās graduating? Iām sure that would work for our kids.
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wissox said:
Sorry @BShark to hijack your thread temporarily. I always prefer the known quantity especially if heās as good as Dotson.
@HighEliteMajor canāt get a PHOF on that one?
It was funny, no worries.
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HighEliteMajor said:
So he never set foot on KUās campus after leaving, didnāt attend class, and heās graduating? Iām sure that would work for our kids.
Because of travel, a lot of student-athletes take online classes in-season. In Dedricās case, he likely doesnāt need to take a full courseload since players are in class all summer as well. Ditto Vick. He needed less than a full semester to graduate, so for all we know he met requirements in December and that was that.
One of my close friends does academics at a P5 athletic department, and itās pretty nifty how they make it work for all these kids. I know at KU some courses are frontloaded so theyāre done around spring break as well. I ended up with 2 BSās and a masterās in 5 years by utilizing dual enrollment in high school, summer classes, and intersession classes at KU.
The negatives are that coaches will really, really pressure them to enter certain majors but not others just for scheduling. In some cases itās nearly impossible for them to major in a STEM field because of the time constraints.
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@wissox this is why we thought doke was gone, straight from coaches lips, Bill Self, in part, on how Udoka Azubuike will look next year when healthy: āI doubt weāre gonna get a chance to witness that.ā
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@wissox this is why we thought doke was gone, straight from coaches lips, Bill Self, in part, on how Udoka Azubuike will look next year when healthy: āI doubt weāre gonna get a chance to witness that.ā
Maybe Self meant that Doke would be back but unhealthy.
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@approxinfinity you are a dork!š„“
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Iām pretty cool.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich me too! But everyone knows that!
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@BShark speak for yourself!
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Normally I would take 2 guys over 1, but sophomore Dotson just sounds too good to me in this case. I think Iād go with Devon. And you never know with recruits. Hampton seems like a pretty sure thing in terms of being a good college basketball player, but I really thought that about Grimes last season too and here we are. So Iād go with the known commodity here.
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BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@approxinfinity you are a dork!š„“
We are all dorks here.
Iām nerdy af. Just own it.
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@FarmerJayhawk so can you tell us where the farmer part came from? Verrrry interesting!
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk so can you tell us where the farmer part came from? Verrrry interesting!
Sure! I grew up on a farm in north central Kansas. My great great great grandpa was a homesteader around what is now Lebanon, Kansas. My ancestors were in this novel: https://www.amazon.com/Flown-murders-September-County-Kansas/dp/B007FD76ZM
From about age 4 I worked on the farm every summer. For whatever reason (I credit my mother reading to us a lot), I showed some academic talent so my mom and teachers suggested college. Iām less sure they had 11ish years of college in mind! I went to KU to avoid being written out of the family will. The KD in AFH game was the day of my grandpaās funeral and I swear to this day his ghost brought us back to win! And then UNC for my PhD. My theory is Iām part of the Williams/Smith transfer program but I havenāt been able to confirm that. And the previous sentence is sarcasm
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@FarmerJayhawk good story, your parent still on the farm?
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk good story, your parent still on the farm?
Yep, parents and even grandparents still farm. I keep telling my grandparents (both are 80+) to retire but noooooo
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@FarmerJayhawk my parents were both brought up on farms. We spent so much time w/both sets of Gparents. Took our friends. Even after I married we fished every chance we got down there, my boys loved going too. Kids that donāt experience that really miss out. Both places were sold.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk my parents were both brought up on farms. We spent so much time w/both sets of Gparents. Took our friends. Even after I married we fished every chance we got down there, my boys loved going too. Kids that donāt experience that really miss out. Both places were sold.
Very cool! Oh for sure. Whenever I get to see my cousins back home (they didnāt grow up there) Iām more thankful I did grow up there. I almost never complain about work now because at least I have air conditioning!
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wissox said:
Zion is withdrawing from the draft and transferring to Kansas.
Decided he didnāt want to become the āRaging Cajunā
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@approxinfinity you are a dork!š„“We are all dorks here.
Iām too sublime to be a dork. Iām a dingleberry!
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Sounds like our only hope of getting DD back is he is Oāfer from 3 at the combine. But he is impressing on all other levels. So I will take the other 2 guys cuz DD may be a goner.
Grimes is strugglingā¦what a shocker!!
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk so can you tell us where the farmer part came from? Verrrry interesting!
Sure! I grew up on a farm in north central Kansas. My great great great grandpa was a homesteader around what is now Lebanon, Kansas. My ancestors were in this novel: https://www.amazon.com/Flown-murders-September-County-Kansas/dp/B007FD76ZM
From about age 4 I worked on the farm every summer. For whatever reason (I credit my mother reading to us a lot), I showed some academic talent so my mom and teachers suggested college. Iām less sure they had 11ish years of college in mind! I went to KU to avoid being written out of the family will. The KD in AFH game was the day of my grandpaās funeral and I swear to this day his ghost brought us back to win! And then UNC for my PhD. My theory is Iām part of the Williams/Smith transfer program but I havenāt been able to confirm that. And the previous sentence is sarcasm
Thanks for sharing that.
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Yeah, I donāt think Dotson is coming back. Heās all but guaranteed to be a first rounder. It now, though, looks like Grimes might be coming back. What do you all think about him potentially coming back to play for us next season?
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@Marco not thrilled. Recently, with 1.5 feet out the door, Vick returning may have salted the earth on that experience. If (I truly mean āifā as Iām not sure, just have suspicions) he didnāt want to be here for year one, I donāt think he will want to be here for year two.
I donāt want a redemption story. I want no drama and a focused, united team.
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@Marco I would take Grimes coming back.
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@Hawk8086 Yeah, by the time heās a junior he should be half way decent.
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I think Grimes is the next Selden.
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@Marco Was looking forward to seeing Year Two Dotson big time and was happy Grimes was gone. Heād need to overhaul his approach to the game in a big way for me to enjoy watching him. Effort, D, rebounding, attitudeā¦
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@ajvan Effort. Attitude. Humility. Hard work. Maybe getting slapped in the head with reality will wake Q up to how much work he has to do to even possibly get to the NBA level. I just wonder how he couldāve imagined having the year he had that the NBA was in his immediate future. Thatās pretty detached from the real world.
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@KUSTEVE I offered a similar thought on Mr. Vick when he was permitted to return. While Grimes does not appear to be a knucklehead in the Vick mold, I think Iād prefer not, as suggested above by @approxinfinity. I really thought Vick would seize the day. But knuckleheadedness is a hard condition to overcome. And with many folks, itās chronic and lasts 'till death (sometimes causing death).
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@HighEliteMajor I canāt, for the life of me, wrap my head around what made him think he could just waltz into the NBA. Yesterday he was 1 for 9, and made some really terrible decisions at the end of the game. Would he be the new Vick? Hopefully, if we do take Q back, the NBA debacle will so crush him that he turns over a new leaf, and decides to unpack the bags, pick up the lunch pail, and gets to work. Who knowsā¦Selden was able to come back, and get much better. If he comes back, will he be Seldenā¦or Vick?
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@KUSTEVE I think the reason it could be similar is because it sounds as though Grimes falls into the drama queen/self centered category. I want to temper that, though, because things are just rumors. But then when you do appear to think that you can āwaltz into the NBAā, as you noted, it has the stench of entitlement. Thatās more what I fear. Not the kid that comes back humbled and focused, but the entitled kid that was done an injustice. That all said, I would welcome him back, as we all should, but with the ball in his court. We all know he needs KU to put him in the best position to be a pro. It is exactly what Selden did, and he made $1.4 million last season. I do wonder how much listening, learning, and absorbing was done this past season, and how much was ājust get me through this yearā? I donāt know.
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@KUSTEVE Maybe Iām wearing rose colored glasses, but I donāt remember Selden being so lackadaisical with D and rebounding or so detached from reality with regard to his own abilities. Was he a guy who struggled with effort and expected to coast through when he arrived?
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Stuff like this makes me wince. From the KC Star:
Grimes hasnāt ruled out a return to Kansas and hasnāt specified what it would take for him to keep his name in the draft.
Should he return to Kansas, Grimes thinks heāll be used differently as a player after proving over the course of the combine what a teamās offense looks like with him as the primary ball-handler.
āI think Iād have the ball in my hands more,ā Grimes said of a return to KU. āI think Iāve shown the past couple of games of what I can do when the ball is in my hands.ā
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article230541454.html
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I do not know who would want to take Dotson in the first. He canāt shoot the NBA 3 yet and he will not finish at the NBA level like he did last season. Heās not a prolific passer.
Iād be shocked.
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Kcmatt7 said:
I do not know who would want to take Dotson in the first. He canāt shoot the NBA 3 yet and he will not finish at the NBA level like he did last season. Heās not a prolific passer.
Iād be shocked.
This is my thinking as well. He isnāt strong enough to finish at the rim in the NBA, canāt make NBA threes, and canāt create his own shot. Heās just not a NBA PG right now. He will be in time, but I donāt see it right now
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Woodrow said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I do not know who would want to take Dotson in the first. He canāt shoot the NBA 3 yet and he will not finish at the NBA level like he did last season. Heās not a prolific passer.
Iād be shocked.
This is my thinking as well. He isnāt strong enough to finish at the rim in the NBA, canāt make NBA threes, and canāt create his own shot. Heās just not a NBA PG right now. He will be in time, but I donāt see it right now
Ditto all the way around. Just some more seasoning.
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I repeat though, if Frank canāt make it to first round why would Dotson? I think Dotson might be accepting getting drafted second round.
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I think Grimes needs to mature. He just turned 19 so heās a little bit behind most guys. For reference, heās only 8 months older than R.J. Hampton who was a 2020 kid until recently. I still canāt see him coming back. Iām not sure how much he and Devon will talk about their plans, so if they both take it to the end their decisions may be totally independent.
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@ajvan Even though Wayne was ranked 11th the year he signed with KU, I donāt think Wayne was being touted as a Top 5 mock NBA draft pick b4 the season started like Q. So, Q has a longer drop than Wayne, and it could take more time for ārubber meets the roadā with Q. I think HEM nailed it when he said that if Q comes back feeling somewhat āvictimizedā, then itās āstick a fork in himā time. If Q opens his eyes and ears, and quits believing the hype, and starts to give his all, then he has a chance to probably be a good player for us. I hope for the best, because he did have several really good games for us. But just like the NBA combine illustrates, Q is maddenly inconsistent. First game, he puts up 9 points, and shows up all over the stat sheet. 2nd game he is āLost In Spaceāā¦goes 1 for 9, takes an absolutely horrible shot when the game is on the line, and completely destroys whatever momentum he built up in the 1st game. Heās immatureā¦he needs to grow up.
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@KUSTEVE Wayne Selden may not have been a projected top 5 pick, but I think I remember him being a projected late lottery pick prior to his freshman season.
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approxinfinity said:
I repeat though, if Frank canāt make it to first round why would Dotson? I think Dotson might be accepting getting drafted second round.
Frank was sub 6-0 and Dotson is not. That still matters to a lot of NBA people.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 d dot also this good as a frosh! Showing up the other pts except for shooting! I hope thatās a factor to come back. Weak draft though
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@ajvan I can buy Q as a distributor or ball-handler, and as long as the ball is in his hands to be a playmaker I would be okay with it. He actually made some really gorgeous passes last season. My worry with that is if Grimes had the ball in his hands all the time that he would also get a lot of shots up, which, looking at his 38.4 FG% and 8.7 PER from last season, would probably not be a good thing for KU.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Nice analysis. Agreed, he showed flashes and we know from his HS reels he knows how to pass. My concerns are heās not especially fast leading the break or putting pressure on a defense. Not strong/confident with the ball. And made a lot of bone head plays that you canāt have from a lead PG. Also not a threat to score at the rim for the above reasons.
