2019 Transfer List
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@Kcmatt7 lol, I stuck around at my job so long my boss retired and I took over the business. I’d be ok with it if they allowed highschoolers to go pro and/or didn’t allow college freshmen to play (not so fond of the second one, but it would show a definite commitment and would force the kid to be in the system for 2 years to figure out if he’s any good before he bales due to being work brittle). I’d also be ok with requiring a 2 year scholarship commitment from the university for every recruit. i.e. OADs cost 2 scholarship years.
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nuleafjhawk said:
@Kcmatt7"This is no different than leaving a job for another that you may be more interested in"
Yes, in my 43 years of employment I have changed jobs. I won’t count my High School jobs or my first …I guess i’d better make some kind of money to pay rent job - after those I spent close to 9 years at one job, we moved to another state and I spent close to 9 years at the next job (was laid off) and have been in my current job for 22 years.
So, I guess my opinion is that I’m not a big job hopper.
What sets that apart from the college basketball playing that we’re talking about is this:
When I started looking for a “real” job, not every single major, high paying company in the free world was sending me letters, knocking on my door, offering to buy cars, houses, hookers, whatever it is that’s on the table these days in order for me to come work for them.
I was the one who had to put in the legwork. I had to make sure my resume was good. I had to look and act decent at interviews. People were not begging me to work for them and pay me whatever i wanted. Even through those circumstances I felt a certain amount of loyalty to my employer for the time that they did invest in me.
I feel that when colleges invest thousands of dollars, plus the time involved to recruit players, the players should feel some sense of loyalty, some sense of obligation to stay there. Of course, there are always circumstances that dictate that a player must go, but it should be, in my opinion an extreme rarity.
I know my values are outdated, old fashioned and not realistic with todays society, but that’s how I feel.
I don’t think people should be big hoppers. I also just don’t think people should judge others harshly for altering their position for what is best for them and makes them happy.
There is nothing wrong with loyalty. It is a very good trait that can take you far. But it can also be a fault. Expecting every 17-18 year old to be happy with a decision they (or their parents) made as they mature into a young adult is foolish, imo.
This is their pay the rent job. It’s also their summer internship. It also has the potential to be a multi-million dollar decision for them. So, in my opinion, it is ok for players to spend these 4 years of their lives in a somewhat selfish manner considering it could change their entire lives.
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dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 lol, I stuck around at my job so long my boss retired and I took over the business. I’d be ok with it if they allowed highschoolers to go pro and/or didn’t allow college freshmen to play (not so fond of the second one, but it would show a definite commitment and would force the kid to be in the system for 2 years to figure out if he’s any good before he bales due to being work brittle). I’d also be ok with requiring a 2 year scholarship commitment from the university for every recruit. i.e. OADs cost 2 scholarship years.
Well congratulations! Loyalty most certainly is a good trait and pays off for many. I’d love to start/own a business someday.
Now to the rest of your point:
I fully 100% agree players should be allowed to go pro and it’s kind of dumb that the NBA ever put that rule in, in the first place.
I fully 100% disagree on the rest of your ideas. I don’t believe that we should be limiting the opportunities of athletes just because we as fans enjoy watching sports more if players are here for 4 years. Limiting the opportunities of students is absolutely against the spirit of any Higher Learning Institution. A scholarship restriction does this, as does forcing a player to sit.
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@Kcmatt7 OADs are in the spirit of a Higher Learning Institution?
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John Petty transferring from Bama. Took a step back this year but really talented kid.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
John Petty transferring from Bama. Took a step back this year but really talented kid.
I was hoping this was coming. Would take.
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Duke, Memphis, and TCU have already reached out to Lewis. I found it out that KU has not been listed as checking in on some of these transfers. I wonder if there is not as many guys leaving as some think…
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@dylans Yes. Colleges, by their very nature, are supposed to offer opportunities. Not limit them. Just because a player leaves without a degree doesn’t mean they didn’t get the opportunity they needed by going to college. It just so happens that after one year, some players end up having taken advantage of the opportunity offered to them.
Less than half of the people who attend college end up graduating. Yet we don’t attempt to limit that number and just accept who we think will graduate instead of those who are qualified and apply. Regardless of their intentions of being there for a period of time. We don’t force all students to sign a 4 year covenant that binds them to the University. They’re free to leave if, let’s say, someone offered them millions of dollars to do so.
So, why should we try to limit the opportunity of an athlete who qualified to go to the school academically?
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@Woodrow Certainly could be the case… Which would be very unfortunate. Maybe Bill even scared himself off of the transfer market knowing he could be stuck with Charlie for another two years lol.
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Woodrow said:
Duke, Memphis, and TCU have already reached out to Lewis. I found it out that KU has not been listed as checking in on some of these transfers. I wonder if there is not as many guys leaving as some think…
I have now seen 17 schools mentioned with Lewis and not KU.
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Woodrow said:
Woodrow said:
Duke, Memphis, and TCU have already reached out to Lewis. I found it out that KU has not been listed as checking in on some of these transfers. I wonder if there is not as many guys leaving as some think…
I have now seen 17 schools mentioned with Lewis and not KU.
Maybe we are just doing it behind the scenes. You have to at least think so. He is an absolute stud and you’d be stupid to not reach out at the very least.
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@Kcmatt7 colleges are supposed to educate. America provides the opportunities. OADs make a farce of Higher Education.
If you can’t commit for 2 years, go get paid now. See how Lithuania treats you. Don’t make a mockery of our already horrid educational system. Let that scholarship go to a student athlete. But really I proposed holding the university responsible thru scholarship guidelines. This would provide more opportunities to student athletes that are being wasted in OADs, but would allow guys who go supernova an out. They don’t have to stay, but the U doesn’t want to recruit a roster of OADs either.
I value things that others don’t, I suppose. I need a solid commitment at my job from my help. I have had too many big talkers puss out on me. Those I can’t count on are dead to me.
While I wish these athletes would show some gumption and follow through with their commitment I also know things change and kids get out right lied to during recruiting.
So on the other hand;
I also think young men should be allowed to change their minds and transfer freely, but buyer beware. Many of these kids are talented, but don’t know what it takes to cash in on that talent.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
John Petty transferring from Bama. Took a step back this year but really talented kid.
Did he take a step back though? Doesn’t look like it on a cursory glance, he just didn’t improve as much as one would hope for but coaching (or lack of) plays a role there.
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Thomas Allen leaving Nebraska. I’ll have to check with my friend about him. He still keeps in contact
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More intriguing names from Yesterday. John Petty (Alabama), DeAundre Ballard (Florida), Thomas Allen (Nebraska), former KU target.
List up to 400
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Thomas Allen would be ok
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Christian Keeling from Charleston Southern is a grad transfer. Was first team all Big South. Averaged 19-7-3 while shooting 47% from the field.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4067301/christian-keeling
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The more I think about it though, the more I’d stay away from Allen. We already have McBride coming in. No real need for Allen. He doesn’t offer anything we won’t already have.
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Kcmatt7 said:
The more I think about it though, the more I’d stay away from Allen. We already have McBride coming in. No real need for Allen. He doesn’t offer anything we won’t already have.
We could have used him this year. Instead we took Charlie Moore. Allen wanted to be a Hawk.
My first guess is he will stay Adidas. They made in-roads with him in HS which is why KU/Neb were some of his options. Will be interesting to see who he deals with. Gassnola was not allowed at Brewster
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Woodrow said:
Christian Keeling from Charleston Southern is a grad transfer. Was first team all Big South. Averaged 19-7-3 while shooting 47% from the field.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4067301/christian-keeling
Has solid size. Anyone seen him play? Wonder if he is a good athlete.
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@Kcmatt7 after this year I’m convinced we just can’t have enough shooters.
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@BShark I don’t know that Allen is a “shooter” though. His numbers are eerily similar to a one Charlie Moore during his freshman year. I’m just not sold that Allen is going to be able to step in here and make us better. It isn’t like he didn’t have a good supporting cast at Nebraska. Roby and Palmer were both very good players, so this was not a case of a guy trying to do it all. It was a case of a guy just not being that good, imo.
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Lamont West is transferring from West Virginia. Big loss for Huggy
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BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 after this year I’m convinced we just can’t have enough shooters.
For sure - - - I agree
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Woodrow said:
Lamont West is transferring from West Virginia. Big loss for Huggy
WOW - -that’s just crazy - -the turnover there this past season is nuts.
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@Woodrow geez!
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@jayballer73 to plus those kicked out!
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@jayballer73 to plus those kicked out!
exactly. – just what seems to be a crazy amount - - -seems like HUGGY for some reason possibly lost control of the guys this season. - - From watching them in the late games - -seems like he has a few players that really want to play for him though. – I think Huggy gonna be just fine
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Woodrow said:
Lamont West is transferring from West Virginia. Big loss for Huggy
Not surprised on that one actually. I think addition by subtraction. West took a big step back this season. Huggy can run the 4 guard lineup with two big wings (Haley, Matthews) or go big with the Culver/Tshiebwe combo that is going to cause major problems in the Big-12 next season.
West was really just a 3 point shooter who took bad shots a good majority of the time. Charlie Moore of the Mountaineers
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I guess the pounding KU gave to Northeastern took its toll, 2 starter level players are transferring. LOL
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Some of the bigger names yesterday on the move.
Jadon LeDee of Ohio St, 6’9. Ranked #103 in 2018 class. Didn’t play much this year.
Huggy gets rid of another. Andrew Gordon. West Virginia down to 8 guys including recruits
Tim Delaney leaving Villanova. Didn’t play much.
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I’d imagine the list hits over 450 by end of Friday. Well on the way to 1,000 transfers by end of this
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John Petty didn’t last long on the transfer list. Plans to return to Alabama to play under Nate Oats.
Wonder if Kira Lewis will do the same.
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@BeddieKU23 That’s a heartbreaker … (Tom, John, what’s the difference?)
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@HighEliteMajor weak!
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Charlie Moore has enter his name in to the transfer portal
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JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
Charlie Moore has enter his name in to the transfer portal
Probably good for all parties.
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You could see that coming. Let’s hope we can fill his scholarship with someone that ca actually you know shoot!
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It’s possible we only return 5 guys from this years group… Depends on KJ and Grimes. Pretty much a guarantee we will be adding someone who gets significant minutes in the next couple of months
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Kcmatt7 said:
It’s possible we only return 5 guys from this years group… Depends on KJ and Grimes. Pretty much a guarantee we will be adding someone who gets significant minutes in the next couple of months
If we only have 5 guys returning we will be adding 5 guys who can play big minutes at least
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HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 That’s a heartbreaker … (Tom, John, what’s the difference?)
Lol. Got me with that one.
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Some of the bigger names from the Weekend. Slow, should pick up again this week
DJ Harvey- Notre Dame. Struggled with shoulder injury. 3rd leading scorer at 10ppg.
Joey Brunk- Butler. Big man started most of the season but lost favor late. Grad transfer
Charlie Moore- KU
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Any word on self going to the nba? I’ve been out of the loop for awhile.
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rockchalkwyo said:
Any word on self going to the nba? I’ve been out of the loop for awhile.
There has been some rumblings that if the Spurs job opens after this year that KU fans should be nervous.
Soren Petro mentioned it this morning on his radio show that he has heard people talking about it and I have had someone mention it to me.
Personally I just don’t think he would leave under these circumstances.
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Lamont West headed to the Valley, Missouri State.
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@BShark Interesting… I think that we’ll have a defection or two this year, which is fine (add a couple grad transfers). Get ready for - it is seeming more and more likely - KU to bring (my band name for them) Big Dave and The Precious Hurt next season… Stay tuned…
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Marco said:
@BShark Interesting… I think that we’ll have a defection or two this year, which is fine (add a couple grad transfers). Get ready for - it is seeming more and more likely - KU to bring (my band name for them) Big Dave and The Precious Hurt next season… Stay tuned…
If Self pulls that off…WOW.
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He can sell it but can he buy it…
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David Jenkins is transferring from SDSU. 6’2 guard who averaged 20 points a game and shoots 45% from 3.
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KU going after: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/daniel-utomi-1.html
