Recruiting Thread
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Langford can play anywhere he wants. But that’s the thing. He could draw any of the 351 D1 schools out of a hat, pick that school and he would be the starting 2 guard there next year. It’s more about how pieces are going to fit around him. Langford is trying to make the best decision for himself, as every kid in the country does when they pick a place to go to college, athlete or not.
The biggest question you have to ask if you are Langford is who you want to be your PG. Since he’s a SG, he wants to go play with a PG that will set him up well for shots. That would seem to give KU an advantage, but I don’t know how well Romeo knows IU commit Robert Phinisee (another Indiana HS player). If Romeo knows (and likes playing with) Phinisee, that could tilt the scale in their favor. IU also has another Indiana kid (Damezi Anderson). If Romeo gets along with those guys and likes playing alongside them, he could very easily pick IU.
For Vandy, the PG will be Saben Lee. He’s started every game this year as a freshman, so he will have experience in the system. I can’t stress enough how important it is for a wing player to have a PG that can set them up. Having a guy with experience makes a huge difference in the impact they can have.
For KU, it will likely be Dotson and Grimes in the backcourt. That gives Langford the opportunity to really spread the floor with a couple of other nice slashers, but he won’t have any experienced guys with him.
Situationally, I think there’s a good chance he picks IU, particularly if he gets along with those other Indiana kids. He and Grimes are close, though, and he may want to play with another elite guy in his one year. Vandy has the experience thing going, and he would be the feature guy in that system, but that’s an uphill battle unless he liked something he saw in practice with Saben Lee.
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I think people are overvaluing Langford. He’s much more Oubre than Wiggins as far as impact. He’ll take some time to get it all figured out, at least above the neck. He’d be a wing here, he doesn’t have the playmaking skills Self wants in a 2. And he definitely won’t throw a freshman out there to be the single ball handler on the court. Don’t forget Vandy signed Darius Garland as well, who’s going to be a very, very good college guard. Vandy will have a much better backcourt than Indiana next season. I suppose if Romeo wants unlimited shots he can go to Indiana, but Vandy or KU is the better basketball fit. Still think KU if Vick goes pro. If Vick returns, I think it’s Vandy. Playing with a really talented roster and having a clearly defined role. will be too much to pass up.
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We’ll take an Oubre type impact, we need it.
Vandy is out of scholarships currently. He wouldn’t go to Vandy if it wasn’t for Garland & Shittu.
Wonder how much Langford’s relationship with Grimes will factor in.
At the McDonald’s All-American game Garland is on the same team as Romeo. Dotson & Grimes are on the West squad with Shittu. Wonder how much guys will be in his ear…
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@justanotherfan I think Vandy’s biggest problem is having Shittu. He appears to be a really toxic recruit for w/e reason. Lots of scuttlebutt on that.
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@FarmerJayhawk I think we would make room for Romeo. Jmo.
@BeddieKU23 Seems like he really did form a connection with Grimes. Could def play out in our favour.
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Recruiting is about the personal relationships, but the thing we can’t gauge as fans is what those relationships are like between the players themselves. Maybe Shittu sailed an elbow past the wrong guy at a camp three years ago. Maybe a couple of guys were trash talking and it got a little heated, and now they don’t get along. These are things that the players may know amongst each other, but that won’t necessarily get talked about otherwise.
Maybe Romeo is the type of guy that gets along with most people, so that stuff doesn’t matter. Maybe he’s the type of guy that, when he forms a friendship, that’s really important to him. That’s something you can’t know without knowing Romeo personally, so it’s hard to say.
From a basketball perspective, he’s choosing between three freshmen PGs (Dotson, Garland, Phinisee) and a few sidekicks (Grimes, Lee, Anderson). Those are his choices because situationally, that sets up how things will go for him. I understand why Shittu wants to play with Garland. I don’t know how Langford fits into that. We will have to see.
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Supposedly Langford’s dad doesn’t want him playing with Shittu.
I think KU will be the best team of the three next year, mainly because of Dedric. I’m super high on Dedric.
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BShark said:
@justanotherfan I think Vandy’s biggest problem is having Shittu. He appears to be a really toxic recruit for w/e reason. Lots of scuttlebutt on that.
I wonder how much of that had to do with Barrett specifically. There seemed to be a rift not only with RJ & Simi but their parents.
My Brewster Academy friend is familiar with Shittu as they play VT Academy where Shittu plays and he hasn’t heard anything negatively about Simi there. They crushed Simi’s team by 30
BTW Brewster is absolutely stacked this year, 7 D-1 kids including Buddy Boeheim who’s going to play for his dad next year. He’s made it up for a few of his games.
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@BeddieKU23 Interesting. Maybe it was AAU related.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Interesting. Maybe it was AAU related.
Manning has also been up to see his prized recruit who plays for Brewster. Despite the season Danny is having his recruit is confident he’ll be back
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Could have been. VT Academy isn’t very good this year I was told and he’s in a situation where he’s getting everything he wants (star player, no other ego’s around)
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@BeddieKU23 Danny has a legit class coming in, so I would assume that keeps him secure for next season. With Chaundee Brown returning, he’d better start accumulating some wins.
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Yeah Danny will return 7 of 9 from the rotation and Top 4 scorers.
Not sure why it took him so long to start playing Chaundee big minutes. There’s a clear correlation between production and minutes from him. In the 7 games he’s played 25 or more minutes he’s averaging 16 a game (more then double his season average). Hoard & Mucius will help him tremendously
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I wanted Chaundee at KU, he is good.
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BShark said:
I wanted Chaundee at KU, he is good.
Me too that miss sucked. He’d be playing the Garrett role here as a freshman though. Next year should be a big year for him
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He’d be here over Sam basically. Agree he wouldn’t be playing much this year so I can see why he picked WF.
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Self vs Bryce Drew & Miller. This should be a no-brainer.
It’s obviously about more then that but we should expect Self’s experience with recruiting these OAD’s over the others to prevail…
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Manning is in the hot seat at WF. There was a lot of backlash when his contract was renewed and he needs to show significant progress next season or he will be gone.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Manning is in the hot seat at WF. There was a lot of backlash when his contract was renewed and he needs to show significant progress next season or he will be gone.
I agree his seat is definitely getting warmer. 1-8 in conference play just won’t get it done. They should have beaten UNC weeks back but had one of those classic meltdowns in the last minute. I figure this recruiting class might be the only reason he’s retained honestly
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https://247sports.com/Player/Will-Baker-46038385
https://247sports.com/Player/Greg-Brown-46035701
KU checking in today. KU is “making Baker a priority” per his coach.
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BShark said:
Supposedly Langford’s dad doesn’t want him playing with Shittu.
I think KU will be the best team of the three next year, mainly because of Dedric. I’m super high on Dedric.
YOU and me both. - - I’m probably over hyped about Dedric but sorry I can’t help it - -I think he will really help a lot our frontline issues next year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I don’t think we have had a post player like Dedric in awhile. The combination of skill and length is tremendous.
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BShark said:
https://247sports.com/Player/Will-Baker-46038385
https://247sports.com/Player/Greg-Brown-46035701
KU checking in today. KU is “making Baker a priority” per his coach.
If we make the effort, this should come down to us and ole Roy.
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BShark said:
I don’t think we have had a post player like Dedric in awhile. The combination of skill and length is tremendous.
I think his skill is really really good, our frontline is going to be so much better next year not the worries that we have this year. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Got a question guys. - -So Silvio coming in at the start of the 2nd semester , so is he losing an entire Freshman year even though he didn’t come till the start of the 2nd semester? - or will he have like 3 1/2 years eligible that he could play – -? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Jayballer54 said:
Got a question guys. - -So Silvio coming in at the start of the 2nd semester , so is he losing an entire Freshman year even though he didn’t come till the start of the 2nd semester? - or will he have like 3 1/2 years eligible that he could play – -? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
His half semester is his freshman year. He’ll have 3 years of eligibility left after the season.
Cunliffe is in a similar situation, he was a Soph this year and if he’s still here next season will be a Jr
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Self watched Agbaji tonight. Agbaji will be at the game tomorrow.
Oklahoma State offered him today.
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@BShark Wow, he has a pretty good basketball mind sitting next to him.
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For those with 247 VIP there are some good comments in the article about the offer.
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I’d love to have him if there’s a spot available. Could be a RS candidate, but projects nicely as a 3 and D wing. And is a plus positional rebounder.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I’d love to have him if there’s a spot available. Could be a RS candidate, but projects nicely as a 3 and D wing. And is a plus positional rebounder.
I think so too but apparently that’s not how he is being recruited. Then again, I guess you can’t tell most kids “you will likely rs”.
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I mean if he’s good enough to play, play him. But I thought that was unusual too from Self. But I’d definitely RS him if he was like the 12th man.
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@FarmerJayhawk Yeah I have a tough time seeing him break into the rotation next year but it’s always possible.
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@BShark for sure. As rapidly as he’s impoved, maybe he has a shot at passing Cunliffe. But he won’t play in front of Dotson, Grimes, Langford/Vick/Newman, or Garrett.
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Maybe we offered because Sam won’t be back. We’ve certainly brought this up before
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BeddieKU23 said:
Maybe we offered because Sam won’t be back. We’ve certainly brought this up before
Would take this swap in a heartbeat.
Agbaji really seems to be a Self player whereas Cunliffe is basically the opposite. Agbaji is a blue collar wearing, lunch pail carrying sunofagun.
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@BeddieKU23 that very well could he. Self seems like he’s about done with Sam. Ogbaji seems like a better fit.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
@BShark for sure. As rapidly as he’s impoved, maybe he has a shot at passing Cunliffe. But he won’t play in front of Dotson, Grimes, Langford/Vick/Newman, or Garrett.
He looks like more of a pure 3 to me. Could play small ball 4 in a pinch. So I don’t think he is really competing with most of these guys for pt per se, but we are mostly on the same page anyway.
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@BShark I agree. I see some Releford in him actually, but he’s a better shooter.
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Let’s hope the guys coming in have a competitive nature and want to win games.
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They definitely do. All are really good competitors.
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I’ve heard nothing but good things about Dotson in that regard.
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So reading more about the 6’5 SF – Ochai Agbaji so, seriously - - how of a legit option is he? - -I know we offered yesterday, and how serious do we think he would be considering coming to KU and or committing to us. - -really good 3-4 year player obviously going to rise in the rankings some? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@Jayballer54 he’s legit pending Vick and Newman’s decisions. As of now, there technically isn’t a spot for him since we’re full. But we almost certainly will since at least one of those guys will leave, and Cunliffe may transfer again too. So he’s a really nice developmental prospect who I’d love to see RS year 1 if he’s like the 12th man. He won’t be in a hurry. He’ll take visits before making a choice, presumably after we know what some guys are doing. Also, he’ll have no impact on Langford whatsoever.
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Glad we finally offered. Let’s see how this plays out. The tea leaves on this one certainly feel as if we are going to see roster turnover on the perimeter and have a need for him. If he’s as good a shooter as his video’s look I definitely see why they are interested
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If I were the kid’s family, I’d look Self in the eye and ask, “If my kid comes to Kansas, works his tail off, and is a starter by his junior year. But you will still look to recruit over him, and you’ll bump him out of the starting lineup, if the next OAD flavor of the month is available, correct?”
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I’d reply, “We will continue to recruit the best players we can to fill out the roster giving us the best chance at a national championship. Competition makes us all better, therefore starting positions are earned not given. If you come in and earn a starting position it’s yours to lose on merit, not to a promise.”
