DeSousa
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A few things. I agree the situations with Maxwell and Whitman were bizarre. Maxwell ended up in some banjo bible club and Whitman has apparently fallen off into Witness protection. It’s always interesting to see where guys land after they leave KU. It looks bad when you look back on it.
The Bragg situation definitely is a black hole in this whole thing. We’ve seen a lot of snowball effect since. From Ayton going to Zona, to getting Billy to Maxwell leaving, to Bragg being forced out, to Coleby leaving, to Whitman joining and leaving and now Preston’s current situation. That’s a lot of bodies in and out from one position group in a single year.
2018 and beyond feels like it will be an over-correction to the issue at hand. It helps when you can present recruits playing time especially in today’s recruiting. Will we run into similar issues going forward if we don’t have immediate PT to offer these big guys? Will we be more selective of who we actually go after? I think its been a bit sloppy to target what we have recently. Maybe going forward the staff is more selective in who they target and potentially get.
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@JayHawkFanToo they were highly coveted?
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Highly coveted by who? That’s revisionist history at its finest.
Also Evan was not a grad transfer.
Tarik was a top 60 player coming out of HS, so the talent was there. Maxwell and Whitman were simply bad takes.
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BeddieKU23 said:
A few things. I agree the situations with Maxwell and Whitman were bizarre. Maxwell ended up in some banjo bible club and Whitman has apparently fallen off into Witness protection. It’s always interesting to see where guys land after they leave KU. It looks bad when you look back on it.
The Bragg situation definitely is a black hole in this whole thing. We’ve seen a lot of snowball effect since. From Ayton going to Zona, to getting Billy to Maxwell leaving, to Bragg being forced out, to Coleby leaving, to Whitman joining and leaving and now Preston’s current situation. That’s a lot of bodies in and out from one position group in a single year.
2018 and beyond feels like it will be an over-correction to the issue at hand. It helps when you can present recruits playing time especially in today’s recruiting. Will we run into similar issues going forward if we don’t have immediate PT to offer these big guys? Will we be more selective of who we actually go after? I think its been a bit sloppy to target what we have recently. Maybe going forward the staff is more selective in who they target and potentially get.
Generally when players transfer from KU under they don’t have a ton of success. AWIII and Milton Doyle are the exceptions. Frankamp has been decent but nothing special at WSU.
Bragg was a tough one. No negative stuff on him coming out of HS and he really looked like a good fit. Bad combination of his own personal vices and Self ruining him a bit. Yes I’m putting some blame on Self here. I know some won’t want to hear it but it’s true. Self figured it out with Perry eventually, so it’s disappointing that he tried to play Bragg out of position.
So I don’t think Bragg was a poor target/take, it just didn’t work out.
I’ve thought for awhile the staff needs to trust their own evaluations and not just chase recruiting service rankings. I think we are heading in the right direction based on recent results but the sample size is small.
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Several major programs with available scholarships in need of bigs were after them. Not all that uncommon since at that stage of the recruiting process when all the traditional prospects are taken you either pick up a player that might contribute some without having to sit and will be gone after one year or let the scholarship go to waste. Transfers are very popular now and graduate transfers able to play immediately are at the top of the list. Ten years ago there were 200 transfers and now is well over 700, that is 2 for every team or 15% of all players in Division I.
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@JayHawkFanToo Link/source please. I know UNC was briefly interested in Whitman then said no. That’s about it.
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GIYF.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
GIYF.
I posit that you are lying. No one else went after Maxwell. Not sure he had another place he could have actually landed at. Many people thought it was baffling at the time and he wasn’t a KU level player.
I know some fluff piece from a KU slanted source mentioned Arizona, but no way could he have ended up there.
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Either way KU was supremely desperate and/or mis-evaluated both. Neither is a good look. Mis-evaluation would be worse however…
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Newman, Moore and the Lawsons are examples of the other end of the spectrum where we know other schools wanted them because people from other schools actually said as much. Illinois definitely wanted Moore, for example.
I’ll be done with this now, I got a bit prickly.
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BShark said:
JayHawkFanToo said:
GIYF.
I posit that you are lying. No one else went after Maxwell. Not sure he had another place he could have actually landed at. Many people thought it was baffling at the time and he wasn’t a KU level player.
I know some fluff piece from a KU slanted source mentioned Arizona, but no way could he have ended up there.
Calling another poster a liar is way out of bounds.
Here is a link to the transfer that lists Virginia Tech, Baylor, Arizona and Cincinnati as pursuing him. Apology?
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@JayHawkFanToo I admit I handled that poorly because I was told to google it when I already had looked into it at the time, because I was baffled by the take. So I’m sorry for calling you a liar, though I do think you are incorrect that he was highly coveted. I suppose I’m back into this now so…
I already mentioned that article. Pursued by is loose and vague. Didn’t see anything from an Arizona source saying they were interested (and yes I looked). It looks good for KU to “beat” Arizona. I think the other actual players involved were the likes of Baylor and La Salle, maybe Cincinatti. La Salle definitely wanted him though that isn’t cited in the article because well that doesn’t look as good, recruiting against La Salle.
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Here is from the horse’s mouth mentioning the visits he made and the ones he cancelled after selecting KU.
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@BShark Where did the Hutch Juco kid, Juiston, fit in the recruiting scenario? Was it because he did not see much playing time next year? Sure would like to have him right now. Kid can ball!!
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@Big-Clyde52 it looks like the Lawsons made him reconsider.
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@Big-Clyde52 I wanted him! Watched the unlv az game.
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You called it from the beginning.
He would have been huge this year.
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Juiston is really good. Saw the Zona game as well. wow
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@BeddieKU23 Self would love him!
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@JayHawkFanToo Yeah watched that game also. Made me also wonder about Ayton. Since Zona is a part of the FBI probe, and many of the CB’s had him as a lock for KU. Then all of a sudden he chooses Zona in the end. Sounds and looks a little fishy to me. Just imagine Doke and Ayton on this KU team. Wondering???
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@Big-Clyde52 Well @dylans already covered it but yes when KU took the Lawsons his interest in KU cooled. Juiston had two years to consider and he knew he wouldn’t start ahead of Dedric his last year. Hard to blame the kid, as of course he has his professional future to think about so it makes sense he would want to be showcased.
I was on the same page with @Crimsonorblue22 in thinking his game would translate to the D1 level. You never know with JUCOs but he has a lot of things you can’t teach.
@JayHawkFanToo Fair enough. Kids claim offers and interest they don’t have all the time* (it’s worse in football but still) which is why I like to see what people from the actual schools are saying. I’m pretty sure he could not have transferred to Arizona but at the end of the day only the Arizona staff and Maxwell know the truth.
*It actually happened last recruiting cycle with Andre Rafus. He kept KU on his list and claimed an offer but he was never seriously recruited by KU.
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A little more serious when they visit or schedule visits to schools, wouldn’t you agree? On paper the kid was good and had 2 years of eligibility to boot; more than a one year bench warmer.
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Until the very end Ayton was 100% KU. Hard to believe something did not happen to change that.
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Sounds like the test scores might be in
SD2TWO (@SilvioDeSousa5) tweeted at 6:11 AM on Mon, Dec 11, 2017: Imma be there sooner than u thought ���������� (https://twitter.com/SilvioDeSousa5/status/940192303653752833?s=09)
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@3genhawk yessss
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Was just hopping on to post this. Sounds like great news.
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Holy cow!
We live in an age of fake MSM news, NEAR DAILY MSM scoops against the President retracted in hours, UNVERIFIABLE leaks, EMAIL dumps, bizarrely worded tweets, and ANONYMOUS internet tips about politics in the swamp.
Now an anonymous tip KU basketball might get a desperately needed big sooner than expected?
OMG!
“I want to believe, Sculley!!”
But…
All SIGINT suspect right now. Stop.
Steady as she goes. Stop. Continue all possible repairs en route to Pearl for emergency refit during Holiday break. Stop.
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@3genhawk I sent him a tweet. It’s my first one ever.
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This would be some really good news for a change.
Ok so let me just throw this out though. - - Tell me my friends, are we as fans super excited for the strong possibility of him coming early BECAUSE - -he can actually benefit us on the floor a lot - - OR are we glad to see him come for an extra body? - - purely depth issues?
I am of the believe of both scenario’s. - -One we could sure use the depth/bodies. - BUT also I truly believe he can help on the floor, the only thing is I hope fans don’t expect him to be superman - -life savior. expect more then what he is going to be able to do for us for awhile,- -It is going to take some time for him to get situated /learn.
Hopefully we will find out something this week for sure. MAN , I would be great if it turned out if we could get Billy back soon AND De-Sousa. - I think it would make a world of difference. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Well I hope he can help. I’m worried that he will be so far behind that he might not be any better than Mitch. But if he is a quick learner, and the upperclassmen utilize that gym in the dorm to run through the playbook with him whenever they can, there is definitely some upside.
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Seen the box scores of two of his games this year. - -IMG beat # 4 St Johns I think it was - -he had 20 points and 14 rebounds - - -in another game this season he had a line of 28 points- - -11 rebounds - - -3 assists - - 3 blocks - -& 2 steals.
A writer poster that Silvio De-souse is a grown man and could be playing right now at Ku. - Well let’s get him here quick then. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 Well, if he is behind in proper understanding of how to master the HCBS system, then perhaps he will come in pretty much even with the rest of the team. So, I say immediate help.
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Word is that test scores come in on Friday.
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mayjay said:
@jayballer54 Well, if he is behind in proper understanding of how to master the HCBS system, then perhaps he will come in pretty much even with the rest of the team. So, I say immediate help.
PHOF
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Kcmatt7 said:
Well I hope he can help. I’m worried that he will be so far behind that he might not be any better than Mitch. But if he is a quick learner, and the upperclassmen utilize that gym in the dorm to run through the playbook with him whenever they can, there is definitely some upside.
I agree that he could be no better than Lightfoot. But he will help enormously simply because he is another body that is actually a basketball player. KU needs at least a three man rotation inside to let KU’s bigs play aggressively for 40 minutes in a 4-1 set, go with two bigs for short stretches as MUs require, and help us bridge through inevitable injuries and flu.
