Holiday Hoops
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I’ll pass that message on to Roy for you.
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Duke-Florida is looking the the Duke-Texas game early on. Hopefully Florida can finish.
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Florida has practically zero size inside. Basically all guards. The team that will beat Duke must have inside outside balance, otherwise it is a mismatchup.
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Duke started making 3’s too (now 7-12). I don’t know if any team can beat Duke when they are making their 3’s.
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But Florida is certainly giving it the old college try.
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@KirkIsMyHinrichyou could say that about several teams, but they aren’t a good shooting team other than Gracie. Cover him and pack in the paint.
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That was kind of my point. Duke has made eight 3’s and only three of them have been from Allen.
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West Virginia just did to Missouri what KU did to them last season. Down 16 point with 7 minutes left, by 12 with under 5 minutes and started to apply that pressure we have seen it before and steals the game and wins by 4. The refs tried to help MU with 2 bad foul calls in the last minute but MU could not capitalize. Good win for the conference.
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@JayHawkFanToo I was just thinking that. KU with the assist.
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I hate that WVU press but I have to admit that I enjoyed it watching Missouri getting beat by it.
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Florida is hanging tough. They aren’t big like Texas, but they do have much better guards who can make shots. We’ll see if that helps them down the stretch.
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Florida looks to be one of the toughest teams to guard in the country. They have fully adopted the Golden State model - run, gun and spread the floor. Really, really good team. Pretty good defensively too even though they are very short.
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Between A&M, Florida, and Kentucky the SEC race could be pretty interesting this season. If Porter was healthy potentially Mizzou as well. As Kansas plays Kentucky and A&M this season I’m hoping one of those teams wins the SEC.
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Bagley is a load inside but has missed a bunch of shots from right around the basket. With his height advantage he should be hitting at least 70% but he is under 50%.
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Florida is trying to give this game away by not taking the shot clock down and dumb fouls on passes.
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Deja Vu
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Duke just got away with an offensive foul under the Florida basket.
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Thank God the game was stopped to add 3 tenths of a second.
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And dumb ball handling. And not making foul shots. And not rebounding or blocking out.
Grrr!
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Florida got very conservative in the second half and choked it away. Why they didn’t double Bagley and Carter every time is a mystery. Also some sloppy turnovers. Florida played not to lose and it showed.
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@mayjay Florida lost, Duke did not win.
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Nice finish by Duke, but Florida gave the game away. Texas gave the game away, too.
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Just a bunch of bad decisions by Florida at the end. Standing around dribbling and no ball movement when they got ahead big. Then missed free throws to put them ahead. Texas did the same thing. With our FULL compliment of players, when can compete with Puke in March. Double Bagley and Carter every time, dont let them shoot three foot shots. Cover Gracie and send five to the glass every time. Folks, they aren’t Kentucky in 2015 good. Florida is better and only lost when they stalled.
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@HawkChamp Defintely looked different. Gave up the outside shots. Duke made all the FTs given them from the foul-fest.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Duke just got away with an offensive foul under the Florida basket.
I find their fouls very offensive, but? After a reb?
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Carter should have had his 5th foul on that one. Wouldn’t wanna play any of the final four teams in the PK80 if the tournament was today.(maybe unc… Depends on the day). Good news is that can change. The tournament is not today
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@cragarhawk we don’t even have all our players yet!
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My Sling ESPN runs 30-40 seconds behind so you are probably thinking of a different play. I was referring to the Duke player driving, shoving the defender out of the way and feeding Bagley for the score.
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@HawkChamp which is part of why I said not today. We will see if that changes or not. Many unanswered ? Right now
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KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Duke started making 3’s too (now 7-12). I don’t know if any team can beat Duke when they are making their 3’s.
I hear you. Duke is going to be really tough. - - I can’t stand Trippy McTripperson but the kid can drain the 3.
Just a pretty hard mix - -I mean stopping Bagley, really fluid, for sure all the hype on him was the real deal - which I pretty well already knew.
So someone help me out cause I don’t know - -what is there weakness? - or do they really have one. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@JayHawkFanToo I was trying to be funny because I thought Duke’s offensive fouls were generally under their own basket. But it was late, I am old, and it isn’t wildly amusing, is it?
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Agree, it’s even doubly true with Duke. They are so good inside. Their only real shooting threat is Tripper. So if Tripper is making threes or…even worse some of their other guys are hitting threes just forget about it.
Also wow UNC…didn’t break 50… MSU is tough to deal with.
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Boy that was some collapse by Florida.
Florida is very similar to KU, 4 guard offense. Not a ton of post players but they have options. They score easy and make 3’s. Dangerous team when things are clicking. They have not defended well and against Duke they certainly let them back in it.
UNC was exposed a ton against Michigan St. Obviously if you don’t make shots it looks worse.
Gonzaga is better then I thought they would be especially this early.
Arizona misses Alkins badly. They will be so much better with him in the lineup. Ayton is absurdly talented. Imagine that pairing with Doke. PG play to me is the reason they are not good right now. At the same time they don’t look like a team that wants to play together right now. It’s the Trier and Ayton show for the scouts and nobody else
Purdue is still a very tough team when they make shots efficiently.
How good is Arizona St? Asking because we play them soon. Put a whooping on Xavier and got 91 points from 4 guards! 91 of their 102 from guards. The posts played 50+ minutes and had 11 points combined. I didn’t expect that at all.
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@BeddieKU23 Actually, Florida collapsed twice. They also let Duke climb back into the game after being down 14 after just a few minutes into the first half. I stopped watching then, and started again almost an hour later when I saw Florida up by 14 with 12 to go in the 2nd.
It should count as two losses.
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The scary thing about the Shockers is their depth. I think they go like 12 deep. Marsha plays them all. He has a lot of fouls to give and options to change the flow of the game.
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Good point. It was a bad loss. I know we would be really upset if that was KU that blew the lead against them. The difference maker for Duke is Bagley. Duval has also been an upgrade for them at the PG position but without Bagley this team would be similar to last season’s squad. Because of Bagley Tripper can pick and choose which games he chooses to show up for.
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DoubleDD said:
The scary thing about the Shockers is their depth. I think they go like 12 deep. Marsha plays them all. He has a lot of fouls to give and options to change the flow of the game.
They do have a ton of depth. Getting arguably their best overall player back (Mcduffie) will give them 10 guys to mix and match.
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How in the world did Florida manage to lose? Here I was thinking we got robbed in the sec/ big12 challenge. I wanted Florida, but not if they’re chokers. So Was Duke that good down the stretch or Florida that bad?
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@dylans Florida bad, lost the ball off the dribble, twice. Bagley a man! Dukes D not great.
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Think about it, Bagley was supposed to still be in High School…maybe as a teacher? He looks like he is at least in his mid 20s. Only other player I have seen that looked older was old man Oden.
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And in other news… the amazing Fizzou streak continues… love it!
Mizzou turns over title game to West Virginia. “Tough one. Tough one,” Missouri coach Cuonzo Martin said. “I thought our guys did a lot of really good things. They competed hard and made plays for each other. For the most part they took care of the ball except for that late stretch for four minutes or so.”
The Tigers were trying to beat a ranked opponent for the first time since Dec. 7, 2013, when Frank Haith’s team beat No. 18 UCLA. Instead, the skid reached 19. Mizzou comes back to Orlando on Thursday to play Central Florida.
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@JayHawkFanToo Funny! I remember thinking Lebron looked like a 30 year old when he entered the League.
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Think about it, Bagley was supposed to still be in High School…maybe as a teacher? He looks like he is at least in his mid 20s. Only other player I have seen that looked older was old man Oden.
They are the reason we still get carded in our 30s.
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LeBron did not play college…
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@BShark The tears on your smiley do not belong to you youngsters. They rightfully belong to those of us who could be in our 30’s twice over…our next times of being carded will be at Medicare-friendly facilities.
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@JayHawkFanToo Who said he did? And your post only referred to Oden as a “player,” not as a college player. So, your point is…?
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My comment was about a player that would still be in High School that lookes too old for even college, much like Oden did. LeBron is/was not part of that narrative since he went straight to the NBA.
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@JayHawkFanToo Virtually the same age. Actually, the NBA was quaking in his boots when he considered trying to enter the draft when he was 17–and he still looked older than Oden ever did. (Contrast our youngest–Svi at 16 looked, maybe, 17.)
