JOE DOOLEY MENTIONED AS TOM CREANS REPLACEMENT!
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@drgnslayr I have a feeling Marshall would have no problem playing the arrogant we’re vetter than you card at Indiana if he were to go there which would play into their alumni mentality as well.
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I think board rats are confusing hatred of disrespectful, bottom dealing, kick you when you’re down jerks with coaching excellence.
I think Rat face, Cal, Jay Wrong and Marsha and Stumpy are very good coaches, when on a Nike teat and getting a favorable whistle. But none of them could out coach Self, Pitino, and Bo Ryan (when he was still coaching) even up. Hell, Cal couldn’t even beat Self with a bunch of ringers in 2008 and barely sneaked by with 6 OADs and Self without a McD in 2012.
I hate the coaches above because they are jerks exploiting unfair advantages and engaging preemptively in dirty play on a frequent basis. Well, Cal doesn’t play dirty. He just recruits slimy. And Jay? Well, he’s just a jerk to opposing coaches and players.
Well, I really don’t hate them, but I have a clinically strong dislike of them.
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A lot of the so called shoe wars are based on comment made by Pitino, but taken grossly out of context, when you read the entire comments and not one sentence in isolation.
I believe I posted the entire statement for your benefit before and Pitino clearly and explicitly says that shoe brands are a non factor.
The great Willie Mosconi is quoted as saying…a good pool player with a broom stick will beat an average player with a Balabushka…likewise in basketball…a great coach with good players on Chuck Taylors will beat an average coach with better players on Nikes…up to a point, of course.
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I recall you posting it. And I recall being glad you posted it. And I recall interpreting it 180° opposite of how you interpreted it. I still do. Pitino appeared to be commenting with bitter irony. You took him literally. Regardless, I fail to grasp how someone that watched the three Adidas coaches I have listed recruited and compared it with the way the Nike coaches mentioned recruited since 2008 could without tongue probing deep in cheek infer that there appears to be symmetry in recruited talent distribution independent of shoe brand.
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I see your point. And Indiana has been irrelevant for so long now.
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I heard the same thing. I do respect Marshall for building good teams… but that doesn’t mean I have to like him.
I guess Marshall never feels comfortable. He’s like those little dogs that constantly pant and fidget around. He carries such a personal chip all the time, it must be hard to have normal moments with him.
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That is not my recollection. I recall you agreeing that when you read the entire statement the context is different than whe reading the one sentence that was the gist of the shoe influence argument in isolation. Of course this does not fit your ongoing shoe war narrative so I really don’t expect you to remember it any other way.
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First, it appears already time to call bull biscuits on “on-going narratives”, same as it came time for calling bull biscuits on “conspiracy theory”.
“On-going narratives” is for suckers, same as “conspiracy theories.”
I reject all “on-going narratives,” unless scientifically proven as empirically verified fact at a 95% confidence interval. I’ve had it with tolerance about these kinds of weaponizations of language.
Further, I reject all “on-going narratives” attributed to me, since I know my own thoughts and can assert unequivocally that I intend to proffer no “on-going narratives.” Zero. Zip.
I offer hypotheses occasionally and discuss data points and possibly related situations, if and when they arise. I also speculate, opine, do comedy, analyze a little and generally kibitz with board rats. I proffer no “on-going narratives” unless everything one posts were considered “an on-going narrative.” I am quite unplanned about my own future content here. I haven’t a clue what i might write tomorrow, so I know I am not crafting an “on-going narrative,” intentionally. And if it’s occurring randomly, well, then time and randomness will fix that.
So, to reiterate: “On-going narratives” is for suckers.
And as an aside, isn’t “on-going narrative” a trendy rhetorical device (meme?) of fake news; i.e., a vernacular of purveyors of disinformation? You don’t want to be lumped with that group of mind copulators. Heck, I may have thoughtlessly used the term once or twice, too. But I’m going cold turkey on it now that I see how it appears to be tending to be used recently.
Next. Hmm. You appear to mean that your recollection differs from my recollection about what it appeared to you that I once appeared to you to believe.
Hmmm again.
If you are going to claim you recollect what I meant in my mind more accurately than I do, then I don’t see how you can expect to be taken seriously by me, or anyone else. It’s tough enough for me to figure out what I mean sometimes. I just don’t know how you could get in my mind and know more what I mean than I do? Unless some one in MK-Ultra in Langley has developed a “retroactive mind meaning” device, I just don’t see how you can persuasively claim to know more what I “meant” than I do.
Similarly, anything I say in the present I have to think I know more what I “mean” than you know what I mean. And vice versa. Capice?
We can debate our positions on issues, but surely we at least still get to insist on what we mean/meant, as a point of departure.
And I reckon we get to change our minds and acknowledge doing so, too, but I am not wittingly trying to change my mind on you, and would happily say so if I were.
I understand my own bungling at communication, or some bungling on your end, could cause you to misunderstand my intended meaning. And I could inaccurately recall what I said. But surely at the end of the day I am more likely to recall what I meant than you are likely to recall what I meant, because, well, because I’m in my head and you’re not and never were. You might even remember my written words more accurately (you a have time or two, but I doubt it in this case), but surely I am still more reliable an indicator as to their intended meaning, than you, regardless.
If A starts an exchange with B and A believes A knows more about what B means in B’s mind, or meant in B’s mind, than B does, that makes conversational exchange futile–and borderline Orwellian.
I consider hypotheses and explore possible data as situations arise and/or thoughts occur to me. I have no grand plan betrayed by “an on-going narrative.”
“On-going narrative” is for suckers.
Rock Chalk!
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@drgnslayr said:
I guess Marshall never feels comfortable. He’s like those little dogs that constantly pant and fidget around. He carries such a personal chip all the time, it must be hard to have normal moments with him.
Remember when he took the College of Charleston job for 24 hours, then decided he would stay at Winthrop? Like Cremins, who did that to the Gamecocks.
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…or Donovan to the Orlando Magic…
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If Stumpy was coaching a NY/NJ school he’d look perfect for an Oliver Stone movie. He just appears out of place in AZ. Marshall is not attractive, doesn’t say complimentary things and we are all superficial to some extent at least subconsciously.
Disliking or not wanting a coach based on personality issues not coaching issues is very human. Weber seems like he’s good at coaching up the talent he has, but he can’t recruit because of his personality.
Bill Self puts off a very likeable vibe. He just seems like someone you can form an instant bond with. Calipari for all our disdain is very likeable as well. I have no idea how Coach K gets a recruit, that smug, arrogant man. But man can he coach and he sure as heck can recruit.
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Look at the kind of recruits K gets. Grayson Allen, his long lost son. HA.
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@BShark His lineups look racist and very hatable. Every year.
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@dylans said:
I have no idea how Coach K gets a recruit, that smug, arrogant man. But man can he coach and he sure as heck can recruit.
Maybe the message is a bit like
I only coach the best (Duke, Olympics, World Games) and don’t bother with the rest. Are you “best” or “rest” ?
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@ParisHawk I didn’t join a frat either, so that doesn’t appeal to me. If it did I’d be a Duke fan. Yuck!
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@dylans Ha! That frat talk tugs me backwards some 55 years or so. I had chosen to be a frat man; then found myself engaged in a bloody fistfight on campus. Fraternity heirarchy invited me to sit for a chat, after which I volunteered to de-pledge and cart my belongings back to an independent dorm. Mutual sighs of relief…
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@JayHawkFanToo … or Altman to the Razorbacks.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Agreed. Respect your take as always, in bball and ftball. Also, I believe Marshall is a few yrs older than Bill Self, nearing 60. He may not be interested in risking getting fired from IU, as Crean just did. His pressure level at WSU is at an enviable “niche” zone.
I have total respect for his coaching both ends of the floor. His teams are motivated to play, 98% of the time. He has good recruits, just cant land MickeyDs. I know he doesnt like KU, but I ignore/tolerate that. His on court product is very good.
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@chriz Marshall. Same on court product/style. Self better recruiter, but if Marshall came to KU, the name would get him better recruits. He can STILL play the disrespect card due to the East Coast media bias. The only issue is wsu fans would be burning ku flags in the streets of wichita if Marshall came to KU, & vandalizing ku cars. Riots. Hooliganism from local yokel deplorables…(lol!)
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@ralster Marshall is the same age as Self (54) so if he takes a top job, it needs to be in the next couple of years. NC State filled their vacancy with the UNC-Wilmington coach and Washington just hired Syracuse’s coach in waiting. I gotta believe at this point that if Indiana can lure Alford home, Marshall is their second choice. If not, next year is supposed to be Jim Boehiem’s final season so Syracuse should be open next year. We also never know when Coach K or Roy will have to retire and with Marshall’s ties to the Carolina region, I’d have to imagine he’d be a coach of interest at both schools if either program goes outside the family to replace those two.
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Wow. You think UNC and Duke would offer Marshall?
So you basically think Marshall is at the very top of college coaches?
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I still have a hard time agreeing with the logic that Marshall could go to an elite school and make his style work.
I just don’t believe he can maintain the chip. That chip he carries not only is his tool in coaching both practices and games… it is a huge part of his recruiting, too. I don’t think his style rubs right with McDs AAs.
WSU is the perfect school for Marshall. They have always been the school with the chip anyways. I remember back when they had Smithson and ended up on probation. I remember one of the charges related to one of their recruits, Ozell Jones (from California) who didn’t own a coat and walked to school in blizzards. Someone saw him freezing and gave him an old used coat. It wasn’t even a booster. That ended up being one of their violations they were crucified on.
Another thing… players at WSU are not treated like Gods. That school doesn’t have the “college feel” (socially). So their players stay a lot more humble.
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@drgnslayr If Duke or UNC are open in the next 2 years and they look outside of Coach K or Roy’s trees, Marshall would be a contender partly because he’s from the Carolina’s. I do picture him fitting in better at Duke than UNC because of his personality.
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@ralster said:
& vandalizing ku cars
Don’t need Marshall coming here or WSU fans for that. We have it covered…
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@drgnslayr I also see a lot of arrogance in Marshall as well so I think he would play up that part of his personality if he were at a major program, especially a Duke type program where that’s a part of their perception.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t think his personality would fit w/alumni. He lacks social skills!
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@Crimsonorblue22 I think it fits much better with Duke than UNC. I know a couple of Duke alums and they are among the most smug and arrogant people I know. I see a lot of that in Marshall as well. I think that’s where a lot of tantums stem from, basically a “how dare you make a bad call against my team” type mentality that fits in perfectly with Duke.
