Sunflower Slaughter Game Thread
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@Bwag I thought they missed a lot both ways Main issue I have is they called 2 separate halves. Gottta establish early and stick to it. Not okay whack a mole what’s a foul.
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Jj’s t hurt us too
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If we don’t start learning how to defend- - =not gonna matter how many fouls they call we looked BAD
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Call it tight, let them play, I don’t care. Pick one and stick to it. Make the players adjust, don’t adjust to the players unless there’s a reason to. I may have missed something, but it didn’t seem like there was any reason to tighten up the calls down the stretch.
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Devonte is operable. You read it here first. He looks like a Frederick of Hollywood model. He has everything but crotchless panties on. I am watching the replay and KU is just sickening to watch…knowing they are playing the dregs.
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It was stupid. You would have thought the second half was played in the prison league. Geez.
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@jaybate-1.0 is Frederick of Hollywood still a thing?
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@DoubleDD I understand tightening the game up if there’s a scuffle or altercation or something like that, but unless I missed something, I never saw anything in this game to warrant tightening the game up.
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@Blown Off till Sat - Now HCBS needs to run JJ on the steps till all he can do is shoot FT’s But ONLY about 8 hrs worth …
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Bottomline
KU overcame a hot shooting Kstate team and refs that called fouls if you breathed on a guy.
Good win.
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Holy cow, I wish I had watched this when it was actually on, so I would be done with it.
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I want Nathan Adrian’s hair. That dude has the best hair in the Big 12.
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@jaybate-1.0 id say it is! Guess just don’t see the catalogues like used to in the younger days.
Like the frills that thrill.
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TT won
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Tech it is.
WV goes down a game…an away game for sure, but down a game.
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@Bwag huge win
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Looks like KU is a team no one fears.
Good lord. I am looking at the stats and KU shot 50% from trey and only won 90-88
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@jaybate-1.0 not defending nor able to hit FT’s
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@Texas-Hawk-10 ewwww
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Is this Self’s new secret weapon? He tries to let opponents score so much they get tired down the stretch?
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@jaybate-1.0 playing Kentucky there. At this point I’d put that in the L column if I had to put my life on it.
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Dude is a flopper…
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@Bwag KU can still put points up. This team is plenty good enough to outscore Kentucky even in Rupp.
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Its pretty obvious that he sent them out flat. Josh Jackson is the only one that looks even a little quick. Frank looks like he is in slow motion in a bad way, not in the psi way of earlier this season.
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@JayHawkFanToo Doesn’t change that he has the best hair in the Big 12.
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Devonte has a hyper extended left elbow, and Jamari Traylor knees. ugh!!!
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@BeddieKU23 did u bet me a million bucks?
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OK…so it wasn’t the prettiest game but the good guys won. Let’s enjoy the win and quit ragging on the players, at least for the evening…
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Self called it the worst Defensive team he’s had at Kansas.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 we can win. I wouldn’t put my life on it. Their size may really give us issues.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
@Bwag KU can still put points up. This team is plenty good enough to outscore Kentucky even in Rupp.
Maybe it will come down to which team leans to play defense first (or best).
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@Bwag they don’t play D either. Need to play a few games in between there.
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KU can play scary defense. It has shown it can. Give it time. Geez… Playing great defense is harder than play great offense.
Just give it time.
It’s coming.
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@Blown said:
Self called it the worst Defensive team he’s had at Kansas.
I am so glad you posted that. I was beginning to think I was in an alien tractor beam and being made to watch this simulacrum of KU basketball while they drained my bodily fluids and filled my brain with strange memories of DNA extraction.
If Self sees the problem, then I am not in an altered state.
I would argue its not even a defensive team.
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Mark it.
You’ll eat those words.
Self is the riverboat gambler. You watch at some point this KU team will come out and show and exhibition on how to play defense.
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If this team ends winning the big12 and goes anywhere, bill Self should be considered the best coach ever.
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@DoubleDD I agree with you
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ah you can’t see what is in front of you. You’re looking for style points. That doesn’t matter. It’s just about winning.
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@DoubleDD true dat. We have had similar situations in the past but overcame them. Our guys are too good and too well coached to not eventuallyget their defense to championship levels.
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Its pretty clear he decided to extend the legendary week of getting better into two weeks. These guys legs are completely dead.
And its pretty clear that he decided to make them labor by his age old trick of taking away all the stuff that works, and giving them no wrinkles.
And its pretty clear that he did it to try to make them beat a cellar dweller with defense.
But…they couldn’t do it.
Down the stretch of both halves he cracked and gave them some stuff to run.
That’s why he is calling them the worst defensive team he has ever had.
KSU is terrible. They are the kind of team that Self teams used to be able to strangle even when he purposely gave them junk that wouldn’t work.
This team doesn’t control a square inch of the court defensively.
Why?
Tonight it was because the legs were dead from “two weeks of getting better” aka killer practices working them relentlessly on every phase of the game. You know that’s how its had to have been, because none of the guys were smiling. They all thought things were going so well that the rest of the season was going to be a march to the Carney. But Self threw them a curve and put them all in the toughening box. No more smiles from this team. The have felt the Self hate boner. They have been withered by the stinger.
Clearly Self looked at the schedule and said TCU, KSU, TTEch, OU and OSU could easily be beaten by 20-30 points each game and the team is going to get waaaaaay overconfident for the first good conference team we meet: ISU.
Clearly Self has made himself the teams fearsome opponent that the schedule does not supply right now.
But…
A KU team that cannot turn on Self Defense even under the most trying of conditions created by Self betrays a structural problem.
Devonte is probably playing operable below the waist and with a hyper extended elbow above; and its likely that it isn’t going to change.
Self has decided to teach the team to win with Devonted the way he is.
KU will look much better shortly when Self lets up on their legs and their brains.
But…
But he would be resting Devonte now, if he thought it would help Devonte.
Inference: WYSIWYG with Devonte. The great player we saw last season is probably not coming back this season.
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@jaybate-1.0 you might be onto something. dG and Mason both look slow. And Mason is not hustling back on d.
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UM You’re wrong. I don’t like saying or saying that but KU players have been at home with their loved celebrating a Christian holiday, and bringing in a new year.
Coach has yet to break this team into his defense minded dreams. Yet it is coming. Keep in mind this a break threw season for Coach. He has scarped his tried and true to play a 4 and 1. However playing a 4 and 1 brings new challenges of playing defense.
Yet it is coming. Mark my words. it is coming.
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P.S.: Self is a genius. But genius from time to time takes that don’t pay off. Beating the piss out of a team that is going to have a short bench right now is a VERY big gamble, even if they win all these nothing games before ISU. The gamble is that the short rotation doing all this EXTRA work, when not needed, is going to lead to one of Self’s occasional team burnouts down the stretch.
But again, he is playing for all of the marbles. His reasoning obviously is: this team isn’t deep anymore and it is going to have to learn to play through sooner or later, if it is to get a title and make a run. But this really could blow up in his face.
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Let me put it this way. KU wins the conference and makes history, and makes the final four.
I’m calling it.
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I can guaranty you that you will walk on water with a beard before what you witnessed tonight had to do with turkey and New Years cheer. These are dead legs from the week of getting better that probably turned into two weeks, because, well, because Self just decided…what the heck, why not roll the dice and take they waaaaaaaaay out of their comfort zones.
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I have no doubt that Coach would take our beloved to levels they don’t understand, or even us. Yet mark my words KU will win 3 to 4 games this year with defense.
The riverboat gambler lives on.
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Great. Its an absolutely crappy conference this season. You’re not risking much.
But FF in the tournament? Without Devonte at 100 percent, and no depth at the post? And the defensive weak link with Devonte at 2/3s speed?
Now that is Ruth pointing at the fence.
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Final Four baby. The little engine that could.
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For what its worth, I just watched Devonte jump 3 inches off the floor while defending a break at 84-82 with 1;35 left.
