Reality starting to set
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When you have two productive and dependable, future NBA starters (Slim and Slam) you play through them. Right now KU has two bigs that are potential NBA prospects, Bragg and Doke, and neither is very productive or dependable so far…so KU can’t really play through them. Lucas, who is an improbable NBA prospect, is a better option but not really a scoring threat.
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@KUSTEVE You seem to be saying we’ve got the 3 point problem worked out. If so, I’d agree! We’re shooting 56% from 3 the last 4 games. Pretty amazing stat.
At the same time we’re shooting 53% from the line during the last 4 games. This is a big concern obviously. We beat Indiana if we don’t miss 10 FT’s. We’re still undefeated then, not that it matters too much.
Jnew was talking on his podcast excellently the offense is operating right now. A bunch of drives and kickouts and swinging the ball back and forth are creating these good looks the guys are getting. It’s really a thing of beauty at times.
The other night we swung the ball (sorry, I don’t have technical terms for this) through the lane and out to the line and as a soccer coach it could have been a video for how to attack the goal. Drops, using space efficiently, keeping shape. Really fun to watch.
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@wissox Maybe our guys could scoot back to the 3 point line to shoot free throws…right???LOL…
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The FT is heavily skewed by a few players…
Lightfoot and Young, 0-10
Doke, 9-23
Coleby, 2-6
Svi, 1-4…really? I am not sure which number is more surprising, only 4 attempts or only 1 made…he should be at the line a lot more and shooting 3 times his current average of .250.
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The FT woe’s are skewed but we are still seeing a huge weakness.
When Doke goes to the line we pray 1 goes in.
Jackson with his terrible preparation/form for FT’s is hit or miss. We are going to have to hope that in crunch time his competitiveness makes him a better shooter.
I’m concerned that in close games FT’s will cost us a game or more. And it won’t be because we miss 5 or 6 at the end of games, it will be because guys are lazy at the line in the first half or when the game doesn’t seem to be at a point where its that big of a deal.
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Lightfoot is good at drawing fouls and has been to the line often enough in limited playing time but he has wasted lots of additional opportunities by missing the front end of a 1 and 1. He is the one player that needs to stay after practice and take 500 FTs until he gets it right. If he can improve his FT shooting, he could be a significant contributor.
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I think I could teach the guys a thing or two about FT shooting. It’s all muscle memory. It’s repetitive motion until you’re used to it. I see too many guys who have all kinds of movement in the FT shooting process. A simple flick of the wrist is really all that’s necessary.
And I should know. I’ve shot FT’s in pressure situations. I was in a church tournament my senior year of HS. Big time. Last game of the quarterfinals, it’s like 11:30 PM on a Friday night, we’re losing by 1 when I get fouled with a second left. The ref walks up to me and says “you better make both or miss both”. I decided to try to make both, made the first, and to his chagrin, missed the 2nd. OT where we won. Ref was pissed. We won the tournament against two inner city churches the following day, big accomplishment for us suburban boys, although we did have a couple of ringers from Cabrini Green who helped out a bit!
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@KUSTEVE When I see a combined 0-10 from lightfoot and young, I say why not! I think Lightfoot has made a 3 this year too.
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What’s surprising is Lightfoot’s form looks very good, he’s just putting a little too much juice on it. Just seems to be apart of freshman struggles, I’m sure he’ll be okay in time
With Doke I can’t even begin to see where that form or action is considered a good thing. He did make a few last game that looked better but as a whole I’m not sure what he’s trying to accomplish when he gets to the line.
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Seems like Mitch is pretty jazzed to be at KU. I feel Wade had this issue last year for KSU at times. Sometimes you can have too much adrenaline.
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I agree. Doke form is atrocious from the position of his arms and hands to the way he propels the ball. I am surprised the coaching staff did not work with him in the summer and pre-season.
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Mitch will be good in time, you can see things in limited action that will translate as he gets older/bigger/mature. He can rebound, protect the rim some and he’s very active. I also liked him hedging ball screens- quick. I’ll be shocked if he isn’t one of the teams top players by Senior year.
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Me too as this isn’t something new about Doke- he was a 30% shooter on the AAU circuit in High School. There is a lot they need to help him with.
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Perhaps with Lucas, Coleby and Bragg coming back they thought that, much like Diallo and Alexander, he would not get much playing time.
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I’m guessing doke has been worked w/on his throws, shooting in general. I betcha lt
Shot better in hs. Anybody know?
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Doke had and still has a lot to work on. The staff was likely more concerned about getting him to try and grasp the plays and such moreso than his FT form. That said it should be worked on as well. Hopefully we see lots of improvement in general with Doke throughout and season and then next year with a full off-season to work.
Mitch to me seems like a PF/C in a wing body. Love his effort but I don’t see starter. Depends on recruiting.
Part of his PT is necessity but I feel like if Bragg and Lucas were playing up to snuff then we would be seeing more 3 out 2 in and Doke would still be getting PT. It’s hard to keep a 7 foot beast off the court.
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Its as bad as it was in HS, I saw a game this past summer where he tried to bank the 1st attempt in and air-balled the 2nd…He’s already had a bank this year.
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@BeddieKU23 Lightfoot was bad in hs?
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That one I’m not sure of. But judging his form so far this year I doubt he was. I just think he’s struggling right now due to lack of PT and being a freshman. So much is thrown his way and he’s not settled yet
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He shot 64% from the FT and 30% from the 3 in 3 years of HS; he was supposed to have range.
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@BeddieKU23 this is lt
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
he was supposed to have range.
I remembered reading when he committed that he is an undersized center and that shooting was an issue. But great effort kid etc…
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Fran Fraschilla raved about his athleticism and range; he was supposed to be the more athletic version of Perry Ellis.
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I think in time we will see that from lt
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Well there is the problem, Fran Fraschilla.
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Not just him. I should have said Fran Fraschilla among others…
He really is not bad. His issue is/was with his son playing at OU he developed a bias against KU; I always thought that he wanted to walk on at KU but KU did not want him. Now that he is no longer at OU, maybe Fran will go back to being less of a dick.
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I just don’t remember that analysis from what I read about Mitch when he committed. Though I am guessing Fran said it on twitter and I do not follow him.
I should say, I don’t remember the shooter part. I definitely remember the consensus being that he is a solid athlete.
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By Senior year I think Mitch will have paid his due’s and could earn a starter’s role. He will need to bulk up and expand his game but it could happen. How likely I don’t know but we have to think Self got him for a reason other than rotation player right? Maybe not but guys that bleed KU tend to improve and earn their keep
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@wrwlumpy Self is too stuck in his ways.
Feel more at home now.
Oh wait, you said you didn’t miss it.
I actually do miss more technical breakdowns of strategy, tactics, and players games that the turmoil generated last year.
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@jayballer54 said:
tell me HOW MANY OF US thought Frank would be near as offensive productive as he has been at this point? - -Be Honest?
I’ve been hollering out for months that Frank is a volume scorer and needs to be less of a PG and more of a scorer. I’ve been saying that Devonte is better equipped to play more of a PG role.
I’m not surprised at all that Frank is carrying the biggest scoring role on this team.
But I have been pleasantly surprised just how much he has improved from last year. Really, most of it is his conditioning. He has always been in good shape, but he took it to another level by working his butt off this past summer.
I think he is improving his future career prospects big time. As of last year, I didn’t see him as having any chance in the league. Now, I think he will get tryouts and I’m pretty sure he will play in d-league next summer with a real shot of making a team. Because of his size, he will have to prove himself far more than other players with more size. What the GMs want to see is can he be effective against talented size. In the very least, I believe he will have very lucrative options abroad.
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Right there with you, I didn’t see 20 point scorer when looking at this years team and what roles guys would have. Mason is playing at a level that I didn’t think we were going to see. Part of it was Coach really didn’t say much about Frank and his improvement this off-season but its noticeable how much work he put into his body and his overall game. He is having fun so far, smiling after big plays enjoying the moment. An absolute joy to watch.
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The way we’ve been tearing up zones with Josh flashing across the middle and drawing double and triple teams make me look forward to playing Baylor. Huggie will always be a pain in our side, but with the four guard offense, two can play the same game. I predict there will be a lot of long outlets against WVU.
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@drgnslayr said:
tell me HOW MANY OF US thought Frank would be near as offensive productive as he has been at this point? - -Be Honest?
The key word is “near”. I figured 15 a game easily. Devonte is freeing him up to play the 2 guard, which is his natural position. He’s a scorer, but the great news is if he isn’t scoring, we have a roster who can. You can’t take one guy out and beat us this year. If Frank scores 4 points in an NCAA game, we can still win.
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I think we all have different definitions of what “volume scorer” means.
I define “volume scorer” as a guy who will keep shooting when he’s on (and sometimes when he’s off), where the focus is on scoring, not just being a “team player.” That can mean a volume scorer can go out and drop 60 in the right circumstances. A volume scorer is definitely willing to take over a game.
Frank has had some good games this year, but I believe he is just on the edge of showing his volume scorer side. It would be easier to see Frank meeting my definition if we didn’t have other prolific scorers on this team, especially Josh Jackson. I see Josh as being very able of fitting the role of a volume scorer, too.
I won’t be surprised this year to see a game or two where Frank really takes over because the rest of our guys are having a bad night or Frank is completely unstoppable in a big game and we really need his volume offense.
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Yep… I’m most looking forward to our game in Morgantown.
That is the game I have circled on my calendar. It is the gauntlet test for these boys. Are they just going to try to hold on and win? Do they even have that much fortitude? Or… will they realize they have the tools to really SMASH Huggybear and they go in there and silence the crowd with a complete arsekicking?
If we go into Morgantown and spank Huggy, I will be buying Final Four tickets.
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@jayballer54 who is your avi?
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Mason came from HS with a volume scorer reputation…didn’t he break Moses Malone record?.. and at times in his early goings he reverted to that. The big difference is that he has become a much better shooter and scorer, but more importantly, much more selective on the shots he takes; a very nice progression for Mason.
