Recruiting Notes
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Also: NIL budget is going up for next year. Commence big game hunting.
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Thanks for laying all this out guys.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Recruiting Notes:
Also: NIL budget is going up for next year. Commence big game hunting.
For KU? Last I had heard was 3-4 million for the portal, while also retaining guys like Hunter.
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@BShark yep, payroll is going up
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Smart, the price is going up so makes sense
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Recruiting Notes:
@BShark yep, payroll is going up
Any saucy details here? Rumor total number before was around 6-7M. Maybe that’s the new number. Would be one of the best around.
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I don’t think the 6-7 million $$ amount that Trilly floated out there is even in the ballpark. I was told that it was half that just about two weeks ago.
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@Woodrow said in Recruiting Notes:
I don’t think the 6-7 million $$ amount that Trilly floated out there is even in the ballpark. I was told that it was half that just about two weeks ago.
Fwiw I heard, and after coming to him with info on it Swain told me privately he heard basically the exact same number, is that KU is planning to have 3-4 million for the portal this offseason after retaining Juan, Hunter, KJ etc What I don’t know is how other guys potentially leaving would change that number. Zach was the only guy with eligibility left that they were for sure not planning to have about next year. I doubt Jamari would be much of an impact, but I’m guessing Elmarko wasn’t cheap for example.
Wondering if Farmer has heard good intel that it will be higher than this. Maybe Bill got MAD recently.
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@BShark are you sure Furphy is gone?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Recruiting Notes:
@BShark are you sure Furphy is gone?
No one can be fully sure. I think a lot adds up to him leaving though. If he gets a first round promise he should go.
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@BShark said in Recruiting Notes:
@Woodrow said in Recruiting Notes:
I don’t think the 6-7 million $$ amount that Trilly floated out there is even in the ballpark. I was told that it was half that just about two weeks ago.
Fwiw I heard, and after coming to him with info on it Swain told me privately he heard basically the exact same number, is that KU is planning to have 3-4 million for the portal this offseason after retaining Juan, Hunter, KJ etc What I don’t know is how other guys potentially leaving would change that number. Zach was the only guy with eligibility left that they were for sure not planning to have about next year. I doubt Jamari would be much of an impact, but I’m guessing Elmarko wasn’t cheap for example.
Wondering if Farmer has heard good intel that it will be higher than this. Maybe Bill got MAD recently.
I’m not sure how much of a “surprise” it was for Liam to decommit but it seemed like he had a pretty hefty NIL number at Indiana, does that change the calculus a bit?
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@rcjhdraft said in Recruiting Notes:
@BShark said in Recruiting Notes:
@Woodrow said in Recruiting Notes:
I don’t think the 6-7 million $$ amount that Trilly floated out there is even in the ballpark. I was told that it was half that just about two weeks ago.
Fwiw I heard, and after coming to him with info on it Swain told me privately he heard basically the exact same number, is that KU is planning to have 3-4 million for the portal this offseason after retaining Juan, Hunter, KJ etc What I don’t know is how other guys potentially leaving would change that number. Zach was the only guy with eligibility left that they were for sure not planning to have about next year. I doubt Jamari would be much of an impact, but I’m guessing Elmarko wasn’t cheap for example.
Wondering if Farmer has heard good intel that it will be higher than this. Maybe Bill got MAD recently.
I’m not sure how much of a “surprise” it was for Liam to decommit but it seemed like he had a pretty hefty NIL number at Indiana, does that change the calculus a bit?
I’d think he cuts into the budget but maybe gets negated a bit by some guys transferring out. It’s going to be a very interesting offseason that’s for sure.
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@BShark I think so. The going rate for very high impact transfers is north of $700k, which is about average for a KU starter. So just do the math there. Bill is very mad. I don’t have an exact number since some of it is contingent on fundraising but yeah it’ll be at least $4m, quite a bit of which is new money
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@FarmerJayhawk mad about the whole season, transferring out players?
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@Crimsonorblue22 pretty much, yeah.
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Interesting off season coming up!
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Interesting is an interesting way of putting it.
The last one cannot be repeated, that’s for sure.
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The way season is looking at the end is a heartbreak considering the games in the summer and all the amazing energy this team generated in November and December.
Things really went off the rails somewhere in late Jan / early Feb. Those wins against UConn and Tennessee and Kentucky, not to mention Houston were special. But the B12 really seemed to put us in a blender.
Was it the physicality? And if so, how do you recruit for that?
I ask because, there was certainly a period where this team looked like it was constructed well enough to make a title run. It was defeating top teams on neutral courts and at home. But the true road gave us fits (Indiana, a mediocre team, was a challenge).
I know shooters would help, but I have a hard time believing that’s going to be a panacea.
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Biggest issue this year was lack of depth, just cannot go on the entire season without any bench contribution.
Starters cannot play 35+ minutes each and every game.
Ultimately it takes a toll and that’s what happened to this team.
Another point is lack of mental toughness, we needed at least one player with mental toughness of Franks, Devontes, CBs, Ochais, JWils
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Next time I’m in Lawrence @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk we are going for coffee or something.
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@kjayhawks I’m regularly found at the Red Lyon sipping a pint!
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The Scott Drew thing is interesting with the ACC likely being the next conference to fall apart. There is a decent chance he ends up back in the B12 if that happens. Definitely a backwards step in terms of stability and program right now. But things to consider if why he would take it. He is from that part of the country, The NIL for basketball is probably garbage in a football driven state, Baylor being a private university is tougher to recruit to and being that he prob will make more money elsewhere. Believe he is the 5th or 6th highest paid coach in this conference the last time I checked.
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@kjayhawks said in Recruiting Notes:
The Scott Drew thing is interesting with the ACC likely being the next conference to fall apart. There is a decent chance he ends up back in the B12 if that happens. Definitely a backwards step in terms of stability and program right now. But things to consider if why he would take it. He is from that part of the country, The NIL for basketball is probably garbage in a football driven state, Baylor being a private university is tougher to recruit to and being that he prob will make more money elsewhere. Believe he is the 5th or 6th highest paid coach in this conference the last time I checked.
Realistically, Louisville is the better job long term. They are right there with Kansas in terms of being a flagship school for Adidas. Scott Drew is essentially Baylor basketball as they had basically no history prior to him.
Basketball isn’t like football in terms of how long it takes to rebuild. Drew could have Louisville contending for national titles in a couple of years with the Adidas pipeline and the transfer portal with the resources they have available there which far exceeds what Baylor has to offer.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 all very valid points sir. Much easier to rebuild in Basketball for sure.
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I don’t want to hear how upset Bill is with this season when he’s not inverted Hunter and Kj offensively and continues to let Juan not be aggressive shooting the three.
Bill is freaking soffffttt….old Bill put Brandon Rush on the treadmill and should do the same for Juan every practice
Bill’s lack of reality with a player is absolutely killing this teams chance of excelling and this is by far his worst coaching job.
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Sounds like Scott Drew has ultimately decided to stay at Baylor, unless this is a Roy Williams situation.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Rumors swirling about Dusty May with Louisville now
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Won’t directly affect us this year but maybe down the line https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1770903874070888940?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Recruiting Notes:
Won’t directly affect us this year but maybe down the line https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1770903874070888940?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ
massive
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@BShark If Bill could get Davis but only if Davis says he can play point…you’d know we got no shot then
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Bill - You got the starting 2 spot locked
Davis - I want to play pg like I have
Bill - uh uh uh we got the best pure pg in America so uh uh uh not even lebron plays over him
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I thought this was announced by Silver a month ago. Maybe it was just a rumor and I misremember the source.
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Really this is stunning. I assumes the League will lean on CBB to be the development league for talent. This will cool the one-and-done frenzy.
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@dylans said in Recruiting Notes:
I thought this was announced by Silver a month ago. Maybe it was just a rumor and I misremember the source.
Silver didn’t officially can it a month ago but he alluded to the ignite being a failure
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I can definitely see why it would fail. I know people have disagreed with me but I still think the G stinks at developing players. It has been better since the main franchises have been more involved.
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The reason Ignite was started was to allow players to earn an income while developing and prepping for the NBA. His reasoning for shutting the Ignite program down is NIL being available to those kids and in some cases making more money than of they went the Ignite route.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Recruiting Notes:
The reason Ignite was started was to allow players to earn an income while developing and prepping for the NBA. His reasoning for shutting the Ignite program down is NIL being available to those kids and in some cases making more money than of they went the Ignite route.
Yeah, this is why it’s pretty amazing and exciting. It means the college game will become the GLeague. That has enormous implications. The money and resources will necessarily redistribute to the college game. And there was a lot of money in the GLeague-- think of how much all the players were being paid.
Today, a few players are getting 6 figs. But a GLeague team had plenty of guys with 7fig salaries. The game will go there.
I think this will blow up college basketball in ways that are hard to predict.
This reminds me of how it feels in tech industry when new technology or new regulations create a disruption event. When an industry or market is disrupted, it becomes a pivotal moment that shakes up the leaders and all of the contenders. The shakeup can change the landscape and create a new hierarchy for years to come.
KU needs to be aggressive now and push its leadership position, IMHO.
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@bskeet said in Recruiting Notes:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Recruiting Notes:
The reason Ignite was started was to allow players to earn an income while developing and prepping for the NBA. His reasoning for shutting the Ignite program down is NIL being available to those kids and in some cases making more money than of they went the Ignite route.
Yeah, this is why it’s pretty amazing and exciting. It means the college game will become the GLeague. That has enormous implications. The money and resources will necessarily redistribute to the college game. And there was a lot of money in the GLeague-- think of how much all the players were being paid.
Today, a few players are getting 6 figs. But a GLeague team had plenty of guys with 7fig salaries. The game will go there.
I think this will blow up college basketball in ways that are hard to predict.
This reminds me of how it feels in tech industry when new technology or new regulations create a disruption event. When an industry or market is disrupted, it becomes a pivotal moment that shakes up the leaders and all of the contenders. The shakeup can change the landscape and create a new hierarchy for years to come.
KU needs to be aggressive now and push its leadership position, IMHO.
Ignite players were not making 7 figures because they are not under NBA contracts. The highest paid G-League players are ones playing on two way deals. Ignite player contracts were between $100,000 and $500,00 which is less than what some would be making off of NIL deals at places like Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, or Duke.
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@rcjhdraft said in Recruiting Notes:
@dylans said in Recruiting Notes:
I thought this was announced by Silver a month ago. Maybe it was just a rumor and I misremember the source.
Silver didn’t officially can it a month ago but he alluded to the ignite being a failure
Yeah it was all over ESPN radio. Maybe a tweet as well where it was said the G league ignite is folding. I’m surprised it’s just now making waves.
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@bskeet They paid up to $500,000 in the g-league ignite. Bottom salary was 40k. I’m pretty sure KU players get paid better.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I thought the guys in the GLeague included draft picks — even lottery picks — and former starters who were rehabbing from injuries. Sorry if I’m confusing things here or simply ignorant.
Appreciate you guys who really know what’s going on.
Are there two G-Leagues?
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@bskeet https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/11/nba-g-league-salaries-increase-for-2022-23.html
It is not what I thought either. Really they could not complete salary wise with the top ncaa programs.
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@bskeet said in Recruiting Notes:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I thought the guys in the GLeague included draft picks — even lottery picks — and former starters who were rehabbing from injuries. Sorry if I’m confusing things here or simply ignorant.
Appreciate you guys who really know what’s going on.
Are there two G-Leagues?
No, there are not two G-Leagues. The G-League Ignite team however doesn’t have the same rules as the league because that team was specifically established as a way for select top HS prospects to skip college and get paid for a year and get professional level coaching prior to NIL being established. The Ignite team was essentially a “select” team where league officials determined who would play on team. These players were all top HS and International prospects and not under NBA contracts so NBA salaries don’t apply to that team.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Thank you
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If someone like Jamari leaves…I’d probably kick the tires on a kid like Vyctorious Miller. Think he’s more talented than Jamari long term
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Darius Acuff should be visiting this weekend. Explains Rylan coming a big earlier than expected since you wouldn’t want overlap.
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@BShark said in Recruiting Notes:
Darius Acuff should be visiting this weekend. Explains Rylan coming a big earlier than expected since you wouldn’t want overlap.
Wow. How did we pull off that? Haven’t seen Kansas on any list for Acuff.
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@BShark two visits in a pretty close time span is interesting
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in Recruiting Notes:
@BShark said in Recruiting Notes:
Darius Acuff should be visiting this weekend. Explains Rylan coming a big earlier than expected since you wouldn’t want overlap.
Wow. How did we pull off that? Haven’t seen Kansas on any list for Acuff.
Townsend coached his dad in college fwiw.
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@TYOHawk said in Recruiting Notes:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Recruiting Notes:
@BShark said in Recruiting Notes:
Darius Acuff should be visiting this weekend. Explains Rylan coming a big earlier than expected since you wouldn’t want overlap.
Wow. How did we pull off that? Haven’t seen Kansas on any list for Acuff.
Townsend coached his dad in college fwiw.
Also he already took an unofficial visit for a game this year. KU is deep in this one.
