COVID may survive in a freezer for 2 years
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Just wanted to relay this.
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@approxinfinity Dam - - well let’s keep it out of the freezer then Right ?
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Yeah. I’m wiping stuff down before putting it in freezer. That’ll be some shit when they think they’ve contained it and then people get themselves sick from frozen goods. I’m starting to feel like we will never conquer this without a vaccine.
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@approxinfinity The vaccine point - there’s a LOT about this whole that confuses the crap out of me. I don’t know how old you are, but I’m almost 62. Every single time in my whole life that i’ve actually gone to the doctor when i felt like crap i’ve got the same story - you know what i’m going to say.
“It’s a virus. Nothing we can do. Let it run it’s course”
So now, if this is a virus - why are they saying they can come up with a vaccine? Is it just a placebo vaccine to make people think they’re doing something? (not generally a paranoid person - it’s the only thing that makes sense to me) Are they just going to shoot em in the arm and send them home to let it run it’s course? And if they truly come up with a vaccine for this, then why can’t they do it for every other virus? Inquiring minds want to know.
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@nuleafjhawk to be honest, I have the same general confusion around that exact point. I think either doctors have used confusing language about humans not being able to vaccinate against viruses, or the things we were told when we were younger no longer apply, because modern medicine has made possible the previously impossible.
I’m not sure. I need to dig in further. Here’s a starting point with a whole bunch of words that appear to be arranged in a coherent pattern from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/conversations/understanding-vacc-work.html
I didn’t see the specific answers I was looking for at a glance, but I did see some distinctions being made that seemed to be of interest between viruses and bacteria.
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@approxinfinity said in COVID may survive in a freezer for 2 years:
Yeah. I’m wiping stuff down before putting it in freezer. That’ll be some shit when they think they’ve contained it and then people get themselves sick from frozen goods. I’m starting to feel like we will never conquer this without a vaccine.
I agree, it’s going to take a vaccine. - -they are talking that’s probably still a year away. They I guess had been talking about this miracle vaccine you know the one and I’m not spelling this right but the one for malaria . - That’s not a cure all , just like they used on a patient, and yes they did I guess have a heat condition but they tried it with him , he went into heart failure and had to revive with the paddles - -so that’s not the answer - or cure all answer.
They are talking also like this will recycle come this fall , so they better find that vaccine. We can’t go through this every year. - -What you going to do? - You can’t shut down the Nation every year.
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@nuleafjhawk My non-scientist understanding of vaccines for viruses is about preparing your body to fight the virus on its own. I think the problem with some viruses is that they duplicate and spread significantly before the body recognizes it and elevates its defenses which is why docs say “just go home and fight through it” as the symptoms you display to actually go to the doctor are your body activating and fighting the virus. So a vaccine’s job is to get your immune system fighting something similar to the virus without overwhelming the body so that when you encounter the real virus your body acts quick enough to keep it from getting bad. Pretty sure that’s why they say flu vaccines may not prevent you from getting the flu (there are too many mutations of the common flu at this point to prevent them all) but will likely lessen your symptoms. As you may be able to tell from this convoluted “explanation” I am not 100% my understanding is correct.
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Thanks guys for your answers. I appreciate the time and effort.
One more thing I thought of. I’ve always been told to NOT use hand sanitizer and/or disinfectant type products on a regular basis. Sure - if you’re cleaning the bathroom or whatever. Because it jacks with our bodies natural ability to fight off bacteria and virus’. So why are we bathing in the stuff now? Theoretically, wouldn’t that make the problem worse for the reasons listed above? Just asking. I obviously don’t know anything.
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@nuleafjhawk I would say in normal times, your body is fighting off all kinds of stuff on the regular, but clearly some of our bodies have no defense for this thing, while others seem to do quite well, even asymptomatic. But even if your body may handle the virus without a problem, disinfecting everything in sight will prevent this particularly dangerous bug from spreading around.
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Virus vaccines are not designed to treat a viral disease. They are designed to prepare the immune system by training it to recognize a virus and to generate antibodies in response.
It takes a lot of work to develop a vaccine because it has to be designed to look and act enough like the virus to stimulate the response but not enough to act like the full blown virus. You don’t want to just simply infect people quicker than random transmission would!
Dead viruses are used sometimes, but many viruses lose all their cohesion when they die, breaking apart so as to be unrecognizable, so a dead virus isn’t always the answer.
There is a lot of work going on with this one involving the proteins on the coronavirus’s shell (those spiky things in the diagrams). They are trying to develop similar proteins to see if the proteins alone (or on harmless molecules or cells) can provoke the immune system to generate antibodies that prevent that protein from attaching to body cells (mucous membrane cells seem to be a favorite target of this beast). Preventing large scale attachments would prevent or delay the virus from injecting its RNA and duplicating in the cell being targeted.
Sometimes you do see vaccines being used after exposure. For example, rabies. Get bitten, get those horrible stomach shots (6? 9? I think there is a less painful treatment now.) I believe what happens there is that the vaccine works quickly to stimulate the necessary antibody development, faster than the virus works at replicating after exposure.
Tamiflu and other antiviral drugs are not vaccines. Vaccines stimulate antibody responses and prepare the body to generate antibodies when necessary. Antivirals work against the viruses themselves through chemical action that can inhibit how a virus works. (Lots of questions about Tamiflu, by the way–apparently it helps reduce worst symptoms by 1 day, but it may lessen symptoms, too). Antivirals are relatively new, and they are trying to find some for this.
Antibiotics are for bacteria only. They are chemicals that weaken or kill bacteria cells to reduce the infection’s opportunity to overwhelm the immune system.
At least this is what I have been told…
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@mayjay Thank you for saying what I meant to say and in a way that makes sense.
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@benshawks08 Gad, if that makes sense I need a drink. Or you do! But thx!
I lost a whole response where I likened a vaccine to a BOLO issued to the immunity cops. It was more fun, but finally even my phone couldn’t deal with how convoluted it was, so it blanked it all out.
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@mayjay Maybe instead of “makes sense” I should have said “makes more sense.” My attempt was a mess!
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My family gets the flu vaccine every yr! Have also had 2 pneumonia vaccines due to my immune system and will get another one. they do help me!
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@nuleafjhawk said in COVID may survive in a freezer for 2 years:
Thanks guys for your answers. I appreciate the time and effort.
One more thing I thought of. I’ve always been told to NOT use hand sanitizer and/or disinfectant type products on a regular basis. Sure - if you’re cleaning the bathroom or whatever. Because it jacks with our bodies natural ability to fight off bacteria and virus’. So why are we bathing in the stuff now? Theoretically, wouldn’t that make the problem worse for the reasons listed above? Just asking. I obviously don’t know anything.
Hand sanitizers and soap, along with warm water and the physical motion, actually work in 2 ways: first, the physical action and water help to dislodge any viruses from the skin and flush them away. Second, soap and alcohol (>60%) can weaken and break down the outer coating that protects the virus (the “corona”). So both help. An alcohol concentration alone may work, like on a Chlorox wipe. Soap and water take time, so they recommend the 20 seconds to be effective.
In the past, it is cleansers and soaps that contained antibiotics (or claimed to) that scientists were unhappy about. Those antibiotics were being used willy nilly on thousands of common harmless household bacteria. Exposing those bacteria to millions of unnecessary treatments was just another example of overused antibiotics. Eventually, the fear is, some bacteria cells will have mutations so they are stronger than the dying ones and survive treatments. Those bacteria can multiply until the antibiotic is ineffective against a whole strain of mutated bacteria.
If they mutate and become harmful, you end up with antibiotic bacteria and people in the hospital requiring massive doses of stronger stuff. Infections like MRSA. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus
The cleansers they want you to use for the virus should not have antibiotics. If you have old ones, toss them!
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@approxinfinity said in COVID may survive in a freezer for 2 years:
Just wanted to relay this.
I haven’t done due diligence on this source, and I haven’t seen it elsewhere… (yet) How confident are you in it?
Not saying it is or isn’t true… just wearing the skeptic’s hat.
This statement is not insignificant, but easy to brush over: “… if it is similar to coronaviruses from the same family”
This is an article that is pretty scary/concerning, primarily based on this speculation that it may behave the same as other similar viruses… Not outlandish, but not substantiated… and probably worthy of more caution than the authors provided.
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@bskeet
only throwing it out there as a consideration. Completely agree we don’t know for sure. In this case I’m erring on the side of caution. Let’s all keep digging around and get answers where we can.
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Yep, better safe than sorry… and also better sane than paralyzed by fear.
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@bskeet I am paralyzed by fear of being sane.
Think about it: wouldn’t we all be better off if this was all just a psychotic dream in my head?
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Damn. Which one of you wrote this about me?
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@mayjay lolol
