Games on tv
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Earlier today ESPN2 aired the 1992 Sweet 16 women’s game between KU (w/Angel Goodrich) and Pat Summitt’s Tennessee Lady Vols.
Wasn’t sure why that particular game, until I realized that Summitt had been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s earlier in the season. It turned out that her final win as a head coach was against the 11th-seeded Jayhawks.
(They lost in the next round to eventual champ Baylor, led by Britney Griner.)
KU started strong and led the entire first half, but the Lady Vols pulled away for the win.
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Correction on the date of that game…2012, not 1992. (Got distracted watching the 1995 men’s final.)
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1985…geez
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@nwhawkfan angel was so good, I watched the girls back then, just to watch her. She was a good pt!
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@nwhawkfan Didn’t KU have a 20 point lead at one point in the 1st of that game?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Games on tv:
@nwhawkfan angel was so good, I watched the girls back then, just to watch her. She was a good pt!
Never thought I’d say this, but I miss Bonnie -ball. At least they were reasonably competitive.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Games on tv:
@nwhawkfan Didn’t KU have a 20 point lead at one point in the 1st of that game?
I think it was around 15 or so midway thru the first half. Then the Vols made their comeback.
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Was pulling for Nova in that '85 final. I’d watched Georgetown win the title the year before at the Kingdome (RIP, imploded 20 years ago last week).
I thought the Hoyas were a bunch of cheap-shot artists, though I admired Ewing’s game. The Big East refs let players get away with a lot of stuff back then.
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And now CBS brings back bad memories…the 1997 final, Arizona (who upset overall number 1 seed KU) vs. Kentucky.
Shoulda been us in the final. What a loaded lineup, The Truth, Jacque, Pollard, LaFrentz, Haase.
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@nwhawkfan And then follow it up with the 2010 title game. That might be the most under appreciated team of the Bill Self era. That was the most loaded front court in recent history. Cole, the Morris Twins, T-Rob, and Jeff Withey (after Fall semester was over). Plus a senior Sherron Collins running the show, and the second best OAD to roll through Lawrence in Xavier Henry. 8 guys from that roster played in the NBA at some point which is more than the title team had.
People talk about the missed opportunity the following year because KU lost in the Elite 8, but to me, this was the second best team of the Bill Self era only to the title team until this season.
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Forgot how Malik dominated Duke in 2018. He was the only one to score in OT! Crazy…especially now that we know what Devonte was capable of.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Games on tv:
@bskeet that was so cool! Where did you find that?
It was featured in an email I got from KU… not sure which dept.
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@bskeet it’s on the ku athletics website. They have the winners from the tweets from the game, some sweet man/woman caves
cool pics! Everyone needs to check it out.
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I watched the first half (cuz im old and need my rest) of the 2008 game vs NC last night. It was a beautiful thing. NC was the overall #1 seed and averaged about 300 pts per game that year (something like that). They were supposed to steamroll poor, pathetic (35-3) KU. I remembered beating them, but I forgot that we got out to a 40-12 first half lead. I should have just stayed up and watched the whole thing because I was amped!
So, after watching the 1988 game a few nights ago, where we were also supposed to get steamrolled by a far superior, freakishly athletic OU team - (and if I remember correctly we also beat them) I’ve come to the conclusion that when we get to the title game next year, we should pray that we get to play a far superior team who is supposed to crush us.
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@nuleafjhawk said in Games on tv:
I watched the first half (cuz im old and need my rest) of the 2008 game vs NC last night. It was a beautiful thing. NC was the overall #1 seed and averaged about 300 pts per game that year (something like that). They were supposed to steamroll poor, pathetic (35-3) KU. I remembered beating them, but I forgot that we got out to a 40-12 first half lead. I should have just stayed up and watched the whole thing because I was amped!
So, after watching the 1988 game a few nights ago, where we were also supposed to get steamrolled by a far superior, freakishly athletic OU team - (and if I remember correctly we also beat them) I’ve come to the conclusion that when we get to the title game next year, we should pray that we get to play a far superior team who is supposed to crush us.
That happened in 2012 and Kansas lost.
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2 out of 3 ain’t bad
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FYI…if you need your KU fixes in this time:
Saturday is the day (all times eastern because that’s where I live)
CBS sports network:
3PM KU vs. Kentucky (2012)
5pm KU vs OU (1988…good watch there)
7PM KU vs Syracuse (2003)
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@bmensch1 Well 1 out of 3 I’ll be interested in watching, although since I was in the stands in 2012 I might watch some of that since I have never watched the telecast.
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@nwhawkfan said in Games on tv:
And now CBS brings back bad memories…the 1997 final, Arizona (who upset overall number 1 seed KU) vs. Kentucky.
Shoulda been us in the final. What a loaded lineup, The Truth, Jacque, Pollard, LaFrentz, Haase.
Oh man, that was a heartbreaker.
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For some happier memories, check out this edition of Self Perspectives:
KU vs Dayton 2019 Maui Invitational… Starting with 7 min left in regulation…
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And tonight it’s “Glory Road” on ESPN, the story of the 1966 Texas Western team, now UTEP.
Of course, Texas Western beat KU in double overtime to win the Midwest Regional.
(BTW, that scene in the movie that shows the Miners team getting racially harassed in Seattle was fabricated “for dramatic effect.” In fact, Seattle U. had several black players on their roster and had been integrated for years. Back in the late Fifties, Elgin Baylor led them to the NCAA Finals.)
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@nwhawkfan the call on JoJo still is considered one of the most controversial of all time. KU had several American players on the team that weren’t white (not using the term African American anymore, never liked it. I’m not Irish American). I like the movie especially how they call out a racist Adolf Rupp.
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Later the ref who made the call said it was so close on the line that if Jo Jo had worn different color sneakers he might have called the shot good.
My main gripe with the movie (like every Disney sports movie) is that they’re so busy trying to create a feel-good atmosphere that they can’t get the details right. Like the mention of “Division I basketball,” a term that didn’t exist back then. And KU playing in white-and-red uniforms?
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@nwhawkfan said in Games on tv:
Later the ref who made the call said it was so close on the line that if Jo Jo had worn different color sneakers he might have called the shot good.
My main gripe with the movie (like every Disney sports movie) is that they’re so busy trying to create a feel-good atmosphere that they can’t get the details right. Like the mention of “Division I basketball,” a term that didn’t exist back then. And KU playing in white-and-red uniforms?
Very little about that movie is historically accurate. At least 90% of the details in based on true story movies are made up.
These are the three most egregious errors about the team specifically that the movie ignores. Don Haskins got hired by Texas Western in 1961. Texas Western had already broken their color barrier before awhile before Haskins ever set foot in El Paso. There were already 3 black players on the TW roster when Haskins was hired including Nolan Richardson.
Second egregious error to me was that all of the black players recruited after Haskins were in the same recruiting class. Some were, but not all of them. Harry Flournoy and Orsten Artis were seniors, Bobby Joe Hill and Neville She’d were juniors, and Willie Cager, David Lattin, and Willie Worsley were sophomores. This was still at a time when freshmen weren’t allowed to played on the varsity team so none of those players were actually freshmen.
Third egregious error. Portraying TW as a school coming out of nowhere to win the title. That team was a title contender 2 years prior in 1964 and an NIT team in 1965 when the NIT was still a loaded tournament and TW was a top 10 team for a big chunk of the 1965-66 season.
There’s plenty of other fabrication in the movie, but those are the 3 biggest ones to me. It’s a good movie, but twisting reality is not a problem unique to Disney when making a “based on a true story” or sports movie.
Friday Night Lights was not a Disney movie and there’s almost nothing about that movie that was historically accurate.
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To be honest, when I - not exaggerating - hear “based on a true story” in a movie commerical that is usually enough to keep me from seeing it - too often they feel patronizing.
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Not a KU game, but involves a KU legend. 5pm Central today, ESPN is showing game 6 of the 2008 NBA Finals so you can watch Paul Pierce win his only NBA Championship while earning MVP honors for the series.
ESPN is showing this game to honor Kevin Garnett’s HOF induction which was announced today along with Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant. ESPN will be showing other great games from Kobe and Duncan on ESPN throughout the day today for those interested.
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Right now, ESPN is showing Kobe’s final game against the Jazz. This game featured a pair of Jayhawks with Tarik Black for the Lakers and Jeff Withey for the Jazz.
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Since I was in the dome in 2012, I’ve never seen the game so I’m watching it right now. Still amazed I got to attend a NC game, but at 50 bucks a ticket, it was hard to pass up. That Kentucky team was so good even Cal couldn’t screw it up and won his NC.
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@wissox said in Games on tv:
Since I was in the dome in 2012, I’ve never seen the game so I’m watching it right now. Still amazed I got to attend a NC game, but at 50 bucks a ticket, it was hard to pass up. That Kentucky team was so good even Cal couldn’t screw it up and won his NC.
It’s still amazing to me how Self’s least talented team by far, Connor Teahan, Kevin Young, and Justin Wesley was bench, made it to the national title game that year. That season was by far Self’s best coaching job.
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Watching the 1988 championship game for the first time a couple observations…
First half Manning was not great. I was surprised. Many turnovers. Second half was much better.
The rest of the team was conversely much better than I expected.
Wow these guys got out and ran all game. Also, full court pressure all game. Love it. However, this contributed heavily to the turnovers. Forced passes and shots.
Oklahoma was loaded! Harvey Grant, Stacey King, Mookie Blaylock? Crazy!
Also, our guys scrapped like hell.
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Watching the 2003 loss. I’m in the first half . I can’t believe we got back in the game after this first half.
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I haven’t watched the 2003 or the 2012 loss yet. The 2012 would be easier on me. That 2003 game was one of the hardest KI loses next to Arizona in 1997 that I’ve ever dealt with. Usually I’m mad for a day, those 2 took months to recover from.
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@kjayhawks Only 2 months? I’m still not over Syracuse!
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Watching the 2012 final, I forgot what a good shot blocker Jeff Withey was. Couldn’t really translate that to the pros though.
Of course Anthony Davis has gotten most of the pub since then, and deservedly so in retrospect. He had as many blocks as points (6) in the championship game. But he did get outrebounded by T-Rob, 17 to 16.
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Self-perspective 3 is out, n Carolina game. KU athletics. I love these!
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@nwhawkfan said in Games on tv:
Watching the 2012 final, I forgot what a good shot blocker Jeff Withey was. Couldn’t really translate that to the pros though.
Of course Anthony Davis has gotten most of the pub since then, and deservedly so in retrospect. He had as many blocks as points (6) in the championship game. But he did get outrebounded by T-Rob, 17 to 16.
Withey and T-Rob were too one dimensional as players to stick in the NBA long term. Neither had much offensive skill to their games. Withey was a defensive specialist and Robinson was a rebounding specialist. AD is insanely skilled because of how late his growth spurt was. He was a 6’2" until late in high school so he developed his game as a PG because of that. AD is a unique talent in basketball because of that.
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Games on tv:
Self-perspective 3 is out, n Carolina game. KU athletics. I love these!
Right on!
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@bskeet I can certainly see how it’s especially hard for a big to catch on to Selfs O in their first year. Diallo for one.
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D Jackson and S Kaun were in their “prime.” In fact, now that you say it, I realize that we should have expected Azibuke to have a great year. It kind of surprised me, but history shows that a 4-year big usually has significant impact.
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@bskeet hard for me to believe that we would’nt have made at least the final four this season.
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@bskeet just watched it, so many guys stepped up. What a cohesive team. All those bigs and guards that played their roles. I loved Cole vs Tyler in this game! I wish this yr we could’ve done better w/the help the helper-Selfs first favorite play. We always called it the guy playing center field. Russell rob. did a perfect job executing that! I think Self is enjoying this as much as we are watching it.
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@kjayhawks said in Games on tv:
@bskeet hard for me to believe that we would’ve have made at least the final four this season.
Hard to know. I think it’s fair to be skeptical.
That said, we didn’t have to be one of the best KU teams of all time to win the NC this year… we just had to be better than the competition this year. Our body of work suggested we had played some of the best and won most of the time.
We had not played many Big-10 teams, so that was a big unknown.
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@bskeet no one could’ve predicted what upset would’ve happened. That’s why I don’t agree with giving us any type of award. Man it will be a long time before I get over not playing this year.
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Yeah… I’m all for earning it. That way there’s no dispute (until the NCAA comes in and waves its wand of asterisks).
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We played the best teams, doke was hitting his peak, had 2 of the best players in the country and the best defensive player, doke getting accolades for D too. Weren’t ranked 1 for no reason. I believe it was ours for the taking. Doke wasn’t hurting his wrists again, they’re titanic!
it was our year! 
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Self-perspective 4 is out, Baylor win
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Game 5 https://kuathletics.com/
Guess? I wanted this one
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Anybody seen the new self-perspective game? Ej’s isu’s game?
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I need to get caught up on these.
