Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD is that really interesting? He said nothing of substance. The call was really good? Oh that’s good. Good. I’m, glad it was good. Am I supposed to take Trump’s word on anything as fact or his opinion on anything as qualified?
We all want to talk about coronavirus? Actually no, nobody wants to talk about coronavirus. We want to talk about work. At work.
Addressing your post before the video. I do appreciate that the whole world is dealing with some state of the coronavirus, and the whole world doesn’t have an idiot narcissist like Trump in office, so surely it’s not all his fault that this disease is here. I get that. However, the overall grade he gets is a solid F for his response.
I will just throw out a list of adjectives to describe Trump’s response to the outbreak, since I think we all know the stories or choose to ignore them.
Late, dismissive, uninformed, lying, disowning, deflecting, poorly delegating, not coordinating, distracting, miracle touting, mocking, witholding, self-praising.
Or if you prefer to sum it up… Bullshitting.
Bullshitting his way through the biggest crisis this country has faced since WWII.
And that video was more of the same.
I would say stopping watching all those left leaning legacy media outlets, and stop reading the New York Times.
You see the things you post about Trump are more opinion than fact. Not trying to be rude but the same things you accuse Trump of. You are willing to defend Biden of.
It would appear to me you wouldn’t be happy unless the president was a Democrat.
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@DoubleDD you’re right. My post above is me expressing my opinion. Each of those adjectives, a non-exhaustive list, has multiple stories tied to it that came to mind immediately as I wrote it. And they are all facts. If you choose to dispute those facts, then in my humble opinion, your version of Trump is more like an omniscient, omnipresent being who chooses to grace this mortal plane in the form of a large orange tufted blowhard, and not the lazy arrogant slimeball that I see on my screen. And seriously, I don’t think we are going to close that gap.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD you’re right. My post above is me expressing my opinion. Each of those adjectives, a non-exhaustive list, has multiple stories tied to it that came to mind immediately as I wrote it. And they are all facts. If you choose to dispute those facts, then in my humble opinion, your version of Trump is more like an omniscient, omnipresent being who chooses to grace this mortal plane in the form of a large orange tufted blowhard, and not the lazy arrogant slimeball that I see on my screen. And seriously, I don’t think we are going to close that gap.
How can we close the gap? You are a hypocrite. You hold Republicans to a different standard than those you vote for. Hence Biden.
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I found it interesting that Biden reached out to Trump, and Trump accepted the call. Plus it appears it was a pleasant call. Kind of nice to see. Instead of Nancy and the DNC wanting to do impeachment again while the country is under all this stress.
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@DoubleDD I have one standard. I’m judging our president. I’m not judging Hillary or Biden. This is standard Fox News playbook stuff… Deflecting Trump’s shortcomings by making it about someone else.
I’m talking about Trump failing. This guy. Nobody else. Our president.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD I have one standard. I’m judging our president. I’m not judging Hillary or Biden. This is standard Fox News playbook stuff… Deflecting Trump’s shortcomings by making it about someone else.
I’m talking about Trump failing. This guy. Nobody else. Our president.
Problem with that is your sources have been judging Trump sense he decided to run for president. Seems hardly fair, and very much one sided. Plus how can you judge a person for wrong doing when your willing to look the other way when it comes to the person you like.
Good news my girlfriend just told me that Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia and is breathing unassisted.
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The point is you want to remove a sitting president because of your opinions, but will vote for a person that is just as guilty of the the things you claim. Meaning you’re being Political and that your posts should be taken with a grain of salt. As you have an agenda.
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I said nothing about removing him. All you. I am not comparing him to Biden right now. All you. I am simply commenting on how bad his response to COVID-19 is.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I said nothing about removing him. All you. I am not comparing him to Biden right now. All you. I am simply commenting on how bad his response to COVID-19 is.
And said nothing about Hillary or Fox News
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I’m just asking how can you be so hard on Trump yet are so favorable to Biden?
They are both running for president
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As for Biden and Trump talking, I give that about a 75% chance of having happened. Maybe a 50% chance of having happened in the last week.
I don’t assume the truth of anything directly from Orange Jesus.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
As for Biden and Trump talking, I give that about a 75% chance of having happened. Maybe a 50% chance of having happened in the last week.
Orange Jesus
Really? I’m more curious to see if Biden feels the same way?
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Ok you want to talk about Biden. I don’t right now. So.
You need to realize my opinion of Trump has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Ok you want to talk about Biden. I don’t right now. So.
You need to realize my opinion of Trump has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
Trust me I know how you feel about Trump. No matter the issue you are against him. Seems a bit weird to me, but okay. To each his own.
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You said yourself Biden will be a great president, yet he is guilty of the same things you accuse Trump of. Makes me question your seriousness of Trump. Kind of feel your playing politics.
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@DoubleDD I never said Biden would be a great president. I said he would be able to delegate and would be a competent president. We live in an age where everything gravitates towards poles. You hear me say one thing about Biden being a competent president and so your mind files it away as that I said he will be great. I have decided Trump sucks, and you are right, I don’t give him credit for much. I have a lot of data points and evaluate each of them individually, but yeah. If you want to play word association, if you say Trump I’ll say “loser” without hesitation, sure. Conversely, Fox News never criticizes Trump for anything significant. I’m sure you could dredge up a couple examples of loosely admonishing him for something. Dont bother. I’ve watched enough to know criticism is absent or projected on someone else.
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You said Biden would be a great president. No worries have a good day and be safe.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You said Biden would be a great president. No worries have a good day and be safe.
No, I did not. Link?
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Holy shit, Steak-Um with the hot fire off the top rope.
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Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
WHY? - - - WHY would people do this? - just plain simple idiocy . - This is no joke , but yet they get their jollies this way. they need the stiffest charges brought against them.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I’m somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president – specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it’s a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I’d like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I’m concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I’m worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I’ve done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didn’t choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.
Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybody’s infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.
I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he could’ve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I don’t agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that you’re really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.
I’m not really sure what your allegory is supposed to insinuate, but I assure you I am not on the fence. My position is clearly on one side and I guess you’ll have to label the side that I’m on.
I do not and have not blamed Trump for the outbreak of the coronavirus. I never said he could stop it. You are peddling rhetoric to keep the fanning the flames.
I hold Trump accountable for his cavalier attitude in January and February, and his dismissive comments that sometimes confused and sometimes contradicted the advice of experts, and his slow and tepid response in March.
Anyone who thinks his response was ‘good’ (or ‘perfect’ as he has suggested) is delusional. Evidence is mounting that the US will be hit worse than almost any major country, despite our immense advantages (including resources and distance from the origin point of the virus/time to react to the threat.)
He is a crappy leader at best and, there’s plenty of evidence that he’s actually a dangerous leader.
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
WHY? - - - WHY would people do this? - just plain simple idiocy . - This is no joke , but yet they get their jollies this way. they need the stiffest charges brought against them.
I bet they don’t think it’s so funny now? It appears law enforcement is taking these kinds of acts very seriously.
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
WHY? - - - WHY would people do this? - just plain simple idiocy . - This is no joke , but yet they get their jollies this way. they need the stiffest charges brought against them.
I suppose poetic justice would be served in a prison with a covid-19 outbreak.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I’m somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president – specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it’s a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I’d like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I’m concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I’m worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I’ve done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didn’t choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.
Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybody’s infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.
I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he could’ve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I don’t agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that you’re really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.
I’m not really sure what your allegory is supposed to insinuate, but I assure you I am not on the fence. My position is clearly on one side and I guess you’ll have to label the side that I’m on.
I do not and have not blamed Trump for the outbreak of the coronavirus. I never said he could stop it. You are peddling rhetoric to keep the fanning the flames.
I hold Trump accountable for his cavalier attitude in January and February, and his dismissive comments that sometimes confused and sometimes contradicted the advice of experts, and his slow and tepid response in March.
Anyone who thinks his response was ‘good’ (or ‘perfect’ as he has suggested) is delusional. Evidence is mounting that the US will be hit worse than almost any major country, despite our immense advantages (including resources and distance from the origin point of the virus/time to react to the threat.)
He is a crappy leader at best and, there’s plenty of evidence that he’s actually a dangerous leader.
Well call me delusional. I believe a leader, or a president can only go by the information that they have. January was a long time ago. Plus not to mention our government was enthralled in an impeachment trial that was a sham. And by your statement you are in fact kind of saying that if Trump would’ve acted earlier then he could’ve prevented the spread of the coronavirus. Is this not a fair statement?
I think the problem that you don’t see is we have a political party that makes up half the country if not more. The same party believes in open borders, and openly and publicly defies any of the presidents actions. Example sanctuary cities, and let’s also not forget Trumps ban on some Muslim countries was held up in the courts for months. So I’m not sure if Trump would’ve acted earlier It would have changed the current situation.
Btw Trump was pretty fast in shutting down the borders, even the medical experts say so.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
WHY? - - - WHY would people do this? - just plain simple idiocy . - This is no joke , but yet they get their jollies this way. they need the stiffest charges brought against them.
I bet they don’t think it’s so funny now? It appears law enforcement is taking these kinds of acts very seriously.
I bet they don’t either my friend
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Mister Gates to throw some serious money and time at finding a cure for the coronavirus.
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@DoubleDD Serious question: is your stance that nothing Trump has done or could have done would have had any effect on the spread of the virus?
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Serious question: is your stance that nothing Trump has done or could have done would have had any effect on the spread of the virus?
Well that depends? Could he have done better? Sure. Yet look around the world. It’s seems inevitable that the Virus was going to spread. I think the real Analysis will be what Trump does and how he handles himself getting the spread under control.
There is a thought that the Coronavirus has already been in the United States before December last year. But as far as I can tell they’re just thoughts.
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@DoubleDD Interesting. I do agree there is a bit of inevitability in my opinion to the spread of this thing but find it interesting that you say the analysis WILL BE about how he gets it under control. What he’s doing or not doing from January to right now is that work. From my perspective that’s the stuff @approxinfinity is pointing out but I guess you see it differently. It will never cease to amaze me the capability humans have for looking at the same facts and evidence and coming to totally opposite conclusions.
I personally, don’t buy the impeachment defense as a. Trump wasn’t really participating much with that anyway and b. A president has to be able to handle multiple issues at the same time. Most of my opinion has been formed from watching the press briefings as I feel like it’s tough for any media to spin direct quotes with full context. And those briefings have been a mess, unfortunately with mixed messages, disagreeing with medical experts, and tossing out overly ambitious time lines. Obviously that’s my perspective and yours is different and that’s fine I guess but I do feel at some point facts are facts and a smart person would admit they were wrong. Maybe I’m the dummy holding onto my opinion but it doesn’t feel like it.
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@benshawks08 Oh, come on, let’s remember that in that proceeding the Prez and his cronies managed to exclude any testimony from witnesses and never presented evidence in defense, and, oh yeah, the outcome was never in doubt, so clearly, it is the Dem’s fault for Trump & Co to not be properly prepared. Oh wait, does that mean they are admitting the response was bad? Was Russian Agent Orange’s natural ability to understand pandemics distracted?
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Interesting. I do agree there is a bit of inevitability in my opinion to the spread of this thing but find it interesting that you say the analysis WILL BE about how he gets it under control. What he’s doing or not doing from January to right now is that work. From my perspective that’s the stuff @approxinfinity is pointing out but I guess you see it differently. It will never cease to amaze me the capability humans have for looking at the same facts and evidence and coming to totally opposite conclusions.
I personally, don’t buy the impeachment defense as a. Trump wasn’t really participating much with that anyway and b. A president has to be able to handle multiple issues at the same time. Most of my opinion has been formed from watching the press briefings as I feel like it’s tough for any media to spin direct quotes with full context. And those briefings have been a mess, unfortunately with mixed messages, disagreeing with medical experts, and tossing out overly ambitious time lines. Obviously that’s my perspective and yours is different and that’s fine I guess but I do feel at some point facts are facts and a smart person would admit they were wrong. Maybe I’m the dummy holding onto my opinion but it doesn’t feel like it.
Well some appear to love the pressers. I’m not really able to watch them as much I would like. So I really don’t have sound opinion on how they are going.
As for whether a president can handle a situation is all about perception. To often it’s about whether a citizen likes the president or not.
Some believe that Franklin D Roosevelt failed the American people by not being prepared enough for the Pearl Harbor attack. Yet in the end president Roosevelt was considered a Great War time president. Sometimes when it comes to politics or presidents it’s not what happened is what they do about it.
I truly believe in my heart that this thought that somehow Trump is in too incompetent to handle this virus and run this country, Was born from the constant attacks of the DNC and the left-wing media that never seem to stop. Everybody wants to attack Trump and say he’s a liar but nobody ever ever wants to look at the left-wing media or the DNC and admit they were wrong. Seems very one sided to me.
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@DoubleDD So you haven’t watched the press conferences, but you “truly believe in your heart” that people are out to get Trump when they call his response a disaster. That’s not rational. Your opinion isn’t delusional, it’s just not well informed. And millions of Americans are in the same boat.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD So you haven’t watched the press conferences, but you “truly believe in your heart” that people are out to get Trump when they call his response a disaster. That’s not rational.
Oh I’ve watched bits and pieces, and yes I think there is a unwarranted hate for Trump.
Example when Obama wanted to build a wall nobody said a word. Yet when Trump said lets build a wall somehow he’s painted as racist. That’s not rational.
Just saying some of the arguments against Trump are baseless and really are just hateful.
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See I think you hang on what Trump says, I hang unto what he does. The problem of hanging unto what he’s says. It can be manipulated by your left-wing media outlets and new sources. Thereby spreading a false narrative that just isn’t true.
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@DoubleDD tell me this. When did you become aware of “Obama wanting to build a wall”? Was it at the time “Obama wanted to build a wall” or was it when Trump “wanted to build a wall” and your media sources started pumping the maligned parity angle?
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Both.
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@DoubleDD I have watched it straight out his mouth. My opinion is unfiltered. What a gift to watch our supreme leader speak! The best!
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Let’s see you judge me for watching Fox News? However I watch left wing media outlets too. So I guess I don’t see your point?
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD I have watched it straight out his mouth. My opinion is unfiltered. What a gift to watch our supreme leader speak! The best!
Think you need to be more specific?
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I think your perspective on the Democrats is only what is presented by the media, just like your perspective on Trump. And I’m not blaming you there. I didn’t watch many Obama press conferences either. I should have watched more. I’ve seen more first hand raw, uncut footage of Trump than all other president’s in my lifetime combined. Press conferences, state or the unions, rallies. And it’s all trash. The man is a narcissistic bullshitter. So please don’t try to tell me I don’t have my own opinion of him.
In general, I think seeing people speak uninterrupted and unfiltered would be good for us all. For instance, you gained an appreciation for Cuomo by seeing him speak directly.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
My point is that I think your perspective on the Democrats is only what is presented by the media, just like your perspective on Trump. And I’m not blaming you there. I didn’t watch many Obama press conferences either. I should have watched more. I’ve seen more first hand raw, uncut footage of Trump than all other president’s in my lifetime combined. Press conferences, state or the unions, rallies. And it’s all trash. The man is a narcissistic bullshitter. So please don’t try to tell me I don’t have my own opinion of him.
I’m sorry you think so shallow of me. My thoughts are born of their actions and not of some opinion of a no journalist tv face. Whether it be Fox, CNN, MNBC, or even the New York Times. You have to look pretty hard for true journalism.
Here’s one thing we can agree on? I too think Trump is a bit of Narcissist. Yet I don’t think that means he can’t do the job. In fact he’s been doing a pretty good Job in all phases. In my humble opinion.
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As for the DNC and the left wing media? They were trying to paint him as Russian spy? Lmao that is just crazy. The same DNC that sold a third of our uranium to the Russians. Talk about being hypocritical.
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President Trump removed the chairman of the federal panel that Congress created to oversee his administration’s management of the $2 trillion stimulus package.
Explain it away.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
President Trump removed the chairman of the federal panel that Congress created to oversee his administration’s management of the $2 trillion stimulus package.
Explain it away.
Well I’d have todo more research, but it seems Glen fine was reporting to the DNC powers before the president of the Untied States.
Should not the president know where this stimulus money is going? I mean this is the same congress that wanted millions for the Kennedy center in the Corona virus stimulus package.
I mean I get you don’t like or trust Trump, but he is still the president.
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Maybe we should start a new thread. We can call it is Trump a joke president?
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Now he’s blaming WHO for COVID.
Frankly, imo asking the question “is Trump a joke?” Is like asking “Is global warming real?”
It depends on how much you appreciate facts.
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What has Trump done successfully so far in three years?
I’m not going to give him credit for the economy, or ding him for a pandemic in this scenario.
What else has he done successfully? More troops in the Middle East. Huge deficit and increases in debt. No wall.
Please, someone, give me one positive defining success of his presidency thus far. Because I haven’t seen one.
