Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@mayjay yeah. But bags have air in them. and he doesn’t demonstrate how to disinfect fresh stuff. Letting it sit imo alleviates a lot of the risk
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@approxinfinity When we did our pick up last week I did the last one and Lysol’d the stuff in my truck. It was cold so we left it in there for 2 hours and wiped off everything with Clorox wipes but some drinks and stuff that I sat in the garage and have sprayed 3 times now. Probably going a touch overboard but may as well be all in at this point.
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Looking into this more Baric’s research credits Doctors Xing-Yi Ge and Zhengli-Li. Microbiology and immunology researchers working at Wuhan Institute for Science and Technology. Certainly very curious.
Link to that for proof: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@mayjay yeah. But bags have air in them. and he doesn’t demonstrate how to disinfect fresh stuff. Letting it sit imo alleviates a lot of the risk
I rinse all of my produce in 140° water, open the bags of delivered groceries by reaching into the bag and pulling up on the bottom to dump them out. I switch gloves after getting everything in, wipe down everything, wash my hands a few times. Then use a fresh wipe to go over door handles, garage door opener buttons etc.
I am not worried about air trapped in bags. If it does worry you, open everything in the garage in front of a fan blowing to the outside.
Anything that doesn’t need refrigeration can be left in your car for an afternoon. Temps can get to 100 or 120, far above the 85 needed to kill the beast. It is actually a fairly fragile virus. Most people get it by inhaling anyway.
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Back to the title of this thread: Fact or opinion? Use of Trump’s miracle drug? https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/peter-navarro-social-scientist-cnntv/index.html
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Back to the title of this thread: Fact or opinion? Use of Trump’s miracle drug? https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/peter-navarro-social-scientist-cnntv/index.html
I’ll just remark about the drug leave the whole President Trump thing alone. I don’t care who it was I think I would have to lean towards the doctor saying it needs time to see - still to many unknowns. I know they have a guy that said it was worth a shot , that’s fine BUT not with my life lol - -no test baby here. as bad as it sounds I think the antidote is just going to take time. - Now I hope that was what you were talking about when you talking miracle drug , I might be barking up the wrong tree lol
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@benshawks08 I can’t even believe here in the U.S. we are having this discussion.
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There is another drug (anti-parasitic) that is claimed to kill coronavirus and needs trials.
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@approxinfinity if it is approved, we need to get tested and get the tests back right away if it just works early. Kinda like tamiflu. Here in our county they’re wanting anyone w/symptoms that weren’t serious enough to be tested to fill out forms so they can track it. Serious data! When I went to dr last week I asked her what they were telling people w/fever and my symptoms. She said to go home and quarantine.
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Very interesting story on trade and drugs. https://reason.com/2020/04/06/why-you-shouldnt-trust-anyone-who-claims-80-percent-of-americas-drugs-come-from-china/
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Anybody listening to the press conference!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Never.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I’m somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president – specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it’s a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I’d like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I’m concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I’m worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I’ve done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didn’t choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.
Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybody’s infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.
I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he could’ve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I don’t agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that you’re really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.
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Thought this was interesting
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@DoubleDD is that really interesting? He said nothing of substance. The call was really good? Oh that’s good. Good. I’m, glad it was good. Am I supposed to take Trump’s word on anything as fact or his opinion on anything as qualified?
We all want to talk about coronavirus? Actually no, nobody wants to talk about coronavirus. We want to talk about work. At work.
Addressing your post before the video. I do appreciate that the whole world is dealing with some state of the coronavirus, and the whole world doesn’t have an idiot narcissist like Trump in office, so surely it’s not all his fault that this disease is here. I get that. However, the overall grade he gets is a solid F for his response.
I will just throw out a list of adjectives to describe Trump’s response to the outbreak, since I think we all know the stories or choose to ignore them.
Late, dismissive, uninformed, lying, disowning, deflecting, poorly delegating, not coordinating, distracting, miracle touting, mocking, witholding, self-praising.
Or if you prefer to sum it up… Bullshitting.
Bullshitting his way through the biggest crisis this country has faced since WWII.
And that video was more of the same.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD is that really interesting? He said nothing of substance. The call was really good? Oh that’s good. Good. I’m, glad it was good. Am I supposed to take Trump’s word on anything as fact or his opinion on anything as qualified?
We all want to talk about coronavirus? Actually no, nobody wants to talk about coronavirus. We want to talk about work. At work.
Addressing your post before the video. I do appreciate that the whole world is dealing with some state of the coronavirus, and the whole world doesn’t have an idiot narcissist like Trump in office, so surely it’s not all his fault that this disease is here. I get that. However, the overall grade he gets is a solid F for his response.
I will just throw out a list of adjectives to describe Trump’s response to the outbreak, since I think we all know the stories or choose to ignore them.
Late, dismissive, uninformed, lying, disowning, deflecting, poorly delegating, not coordinating, distracting, miracle touting, mocking, witholding, self-praising.
Or if you prefer to sum it up… Bullshitting.
Bullshitting his way through the biggest crisis this country has faced since WWII.
And that video was more of the same.
I would say stopping watching all those left leaning legacy media outlets, and stop reading the New York Times.
You see the things you post about Trump are more opinion than fact. Not trying to be rude but the same things you accuse Trump of. You are willing to defend Biden of.
It would appear to me you wouldn’t be happy unless the president was a Democrat.
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@DoubleDD you’re right. My post above is me expressing my opinion. Each of those adjectives, a non-exhaustive list, has multiple stories tied to it that came to mind immediately as I wrote it. And they are all facts. If you choose to dispute those facts, then in my humble opinion, your version of Trump is more like an omniscient, omnipresent being who chooses to grace this mortal plane in the form of a large orange tufted blowhard, and not the lazy arrogant slimeball that I see on my screen. And seriously, I don’t think we are going to close that gap.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD you’re right. My post above is me expressing my opinion. Each of those adjectives, a non-exhaustive list, has multiple stories tied to it that came to mind immediately as I wrote it. And they are all facts. If you choose to dispute those facts, then in my humble opinion, your version of Trump is more like an omniscient, omnipresent being who chooses to grace this mortal plane in the form of a large orange tufted blowhard, and not the lazy arrogant slimeball that I see on my screen. And seriously, I don’t think we are going to close that gap.
How can we close the gap? You are a hypocrite. You hold Republicans to a different standard than those you vote for. Hence Biden.
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I found it interesting that Biden reached out to Trump, and Trump accepted the call. Plus it appears it was a pleasant call. Kind of nice to see. Instead of Nancy and the DNC wanting to do impeachment again while the country is under all this stress.
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@DoubleDD I have one standard. I’m judging our president. I’m not judging Hillary or Biden. This is standard Fox News playbook stuff… Deflecting Trump’s shortcomings by making it about someone else.
I’m talking about Trump failing. This guy. Nobody else. Our president.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD I have one standard. I’m judging our president. I’m not judging Hillary or Biden. This is standard Fox News playbook stuff… Deflecting Trump’s shortcomings by making it about someone else.
I’m talking about Trump failing. This guy. Nobody else. Our president.
Problem with that is your sources have been judging Trump sense he decided to run for president. Seems hardly fair, and very much one sided. Plus how can you judge a person for wrong doing when your willing to look the other way when it comes to the person you like.
Good news my girlfriend just told me that Boris Johnson does not have pneumonia and is breathing unassisted.
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The point is you want to remove a sitting president because of your opinions, but will vote for a person that is just as guilty of the the things you claim. Meaning you’re being Political and that your posts should be taken with a grain of salt. As you have an agenda.
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I said nothing about removing him. All you. I am not comparing him to Biden right now. All you. I am simply commenting on how bad his response to COVID-19 is.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I said nothing about removing him. All you. I am not comparing him to Biden right now. All you. I am simply commenting on how bad his response to COVID-19 is.
And said nothing about Hillary or Fox News
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I’m just asking how can you be so hard on Trump yet are so favorable to Biden?
They are both running for president
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As for Biden and Trump talking, I give that about a 75% chance of having happened. Maybe a 50% chance of having happened in the last week.
I don’t assume the truth of anything directly from Orange Jesus.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
As for Biden and Trump talking, I give that about a 75% chance of having happened. Maybe a 50% chance of having happened in the last week.
Orange Jesus
Really? I’m more curious to see if Biden feels the same way?
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Ok you want to talk about Biden. I don’t right now. So.
You need to realize my opinion of Trump has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Ok you want to talk about Biden. I don’t right now. So.
You need to realize my opinion of Trump has nothing to do with Joe Biden.
Trust me I know how you feel about Trump. No matter the issue you are against him. Seems a bit weird to me, but okay. To each his own.
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You said yourself Biden will be a great president, yet he is guilty of the same things you accuse Trump of. Makes me question your seriousness of Trump. Kind of feel your playing politics.
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@DoubleDD I never said Biden would be a great president. I said he would be able to delegate and would be a competent president. We live in an age where everything gravitates towards poles. You hear me say one thing about Biden being a competent president and so your mind files it away as that I said he will be great. I have decided Trump sucks, and you are right, I don’t give him credit for much. I have a lot of data points and evaluate each of them individually, but yeah. If you want to play word association, if you say Trump I’ll say “loser” without hesitation, sure. Conversely, Fox News never criticizes Trump for anything significant. I’m sure you could dredge up a couple examples of loosely admonishing him for something. Dont bother. I’ve watched enough to know criticism is absent or projected on someone else.
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You said Biden would be a great president. No worries have a good day and be safe.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You said Biden would be a great president. No worries have a good day and be safe.
No, I did not. Link?
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Holy shit, Steak-Um with the hot fire off the top rope.
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Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
WHY? - - - WHY would people do this? - just plain simple idiocy . - This is no joke , but yet they get their jollies this way. they need the stiffest charges brought against them.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I’m somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president – specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it’s a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I’d like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I’m concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I’m worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I’ve done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didn’t choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.
Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybody’s infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.
I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he could’ve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I don’t agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that you’re really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.
I’m not really sure what your allegory is supposed to insinuate, but I assure you I am not on the fence. My position is clearly on one side and I guess you’ll have to label the side that I’m on.
I do not and have not blamed Trump for the outbreak of the coronavirus. I never said he could stop it. You are peddling rhetoric to keep the fanning the flames.
I hold Trump accountable for his cavalier attitude in January and February, and his dismissive comments that sometimes confused and sometimes contradicted the advice of experts, and his slow and tepid response in March.
Anyone who thinks his response was ‘good’ (or ‘perfect’ as he has suggested) is delusional. Evidence is mounting that the US will be hit worse than almost any major country, despite our immense advantages (including resources and distance from the origin point of the virus/time to react to the threat.)
He is a crappy leader at best and, there’s plenty of evidence that he’s actually a dangerous leader.
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
WHY? - - - WHY would people do this? - just plain simple idiocy . - This is no joke , but yet they get their jollies this way. they need the stiffest charges brought against them.
I bet they don’t think it’s so funny now? It appears law enforcement is taking these kinds of acts very seriously.
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
WHY? - - - WHY would people do this? - just plain simple idiocy . - This is no joke , but yet they get their jollies this way. they need the stiffest charges brought against them.
I suppose poetic justice would be served in a prison with a covid-19 outbreak.
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@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@bskeet said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
You ever ask yourself why I defend presidents regardless of party. Sure they get elected on their party. Maybe I’m a sucker, but when they step in that position. It changes them. They are the ruler of the free world, and they so want to badly to do the right thing. Sorry friend I don’t buy into your Trump hate.
I hope you are not suggesting that I’m somehow un-American because I will not blindly follow and defend a president – specifically, this president. A functional democracy deserves a commitment to both decorum and dissent. Decorum is not something you can demand; it’s a social contract. Dissent is not a threat to authority; it is the ultimate form of patriotism.
Never, did I think that I would be in this position. I’d like to defend the president. Every president is human; they all make mistakes. But I cannot and will not condone or abide what has become — not an unfortunate series of mishaps — but rather, a well-established pattern of behavior.
I’m concerned about the growing lack of respect for the office of the president — especially by the youngest generation — I’m worried what this will mean for the future. We have to repair the respect. But it will require more leaders with propriety on both sides than we have today.
The country was founded on common ground of core values and compromise of ideology. Politicians would argue ideology, but at the end of the day, they were together on the values that defined what it meant to be an American. These ideals were nonpartisan and have been publicly called out by some conservative leaders (McCain, Romney).
Values should be immutable, not situational. Treating them as such is a threat to the republic.
Finally @DoubleDD , please stop ascribing motives and assuming you know what I think and what I’ve done. I am not telling you what to do and I do not presume to know anything about your motives or beliefs beyond what you put down in pixels here. There is no need to put words in my mouth.
There was man that came along to a big Space of land. One side was owned by God and the other by the devil. And between the lands was a fence that ran straight down the middle. The man understood the truth and the values God, but was intrigued by the devil and his thoughts. Not wanting to choose between the two hoping to make peace and a compromise. He decided to stay on the fence. At the end of the day the devil came up to the man and said, come with me. The man said hold on I didn’t choose a side I respected both you and God. The devil responded and said Ah, but I own the fence. You made a choice.
Someone may hate Trump because of the way he looks or how he carries himself. Also they may not like his policies. But to blame the man for the coronavirus outbreak in America. Shows a lack of compassion and common sense. Take a look around the world? Everybody’s infected with the coronavirus. Even the Prime Minister of England is not doing so well right now, as he has caught the coronavirus.
I have no doubt that Trump is not a perfect man but to act like somehow he could’ve stopped this coronavirus from spreading. I don’t agree with. For those that want to just blame him that shows that you’re really just a Trump hater, and playing politics.
I’m not really sure what your allegory is supposed to insinuate, but I assure you I am not on the fence. My position is clearly on one side and I guess you’ll have to label the side that I’m on.
I do not and have not blamed Trump for the outbreak of the coronavirus. I never said he could stop it. You are peddling rhetoric to keep the fanning the flames.
I hold Trump accountable for his cavalier attitude in January and February, and his dismissive comments that sometimes confused and sometimes contradicted the advice of experts, and his slow and tepid response in March.
Anyone who thinks his response was ‘good’ (or ‘perfect’ as he has suggested) is delusional. Evidence is mounting that the US will be hit worse than almost any major country, despite our immense advantages (including resources and distance from the origin point of the virus/time to react to the threat.)
He is a crappy leader at best and, there’s plenty of evidence that he’s actually a dangerous leader.
Well call me delusional. I believe a leader, or a president can only go by the information that they have. January was a long time ago. Plus not to mention our government was enthralled in an impeachment trial that was a sham. And by your statement you are in fact kind of saying that if Trump would’ve acted earlier then he could’ve prevented the spread of the coronavirus. Is this not a fair statement?
I think the problem that you don’t see is we have a political party that makes up half the country if not more. The same party believes in open borders, and openly and publicly defies any of the presidents actions. Example sanctuary cities, and let’s also not forget Trumps ban on some Muslim countries was held up in the courts for months. So I’m not sure if Trump would’ve acted earlier It would have changed the current situation.
Btw Trump was pretty fast in shutting down the borders, even the medical experts say so.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Walmart in Kansas! https://www.ksn.com/news/local/newton-police-investigating-social-media-video-of-two-people-claiming-to-have-coronavirus-and-coughing-at-walmart/
WHY? - - - WHY would people do this? - just plain simple idiocy . - This is no joke , but yet they get their jollies this way. they need the stiffest charges brought against them.
I bet they don’t think it’s so funny now? It appears law enforcement is taking these kinds of acts very seriously.
I bet they don’t either my friend
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Mister Gates to throw some serious money and time at finding a cure for the coronavirus.
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@DoubleDD Serious question: is your stance that nothing Trump has done or could have done would have had any effect on the spread of the virus?
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Serious question: is your stance that nothing Trump has done or could have done would have had any effect on the spread of the virus?
Well that depends? Could he have done better? Sure. Yet look around the world. It’s seems inevitable that the Virus was going to spread. I think the real Analysis will be what Trump does and how he handles himself getting the spread under control.
There is a thought that the Coronavirus has already been in the United States before December last year. But as far as I can tell they’re just thoughts.
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@DoubleDD Interesting. I do agree there is a bit of inevitability in my opinion to the spread of this thing but find it interesting that you say the analysis WILL BE about how he gets it under control. What he’s doing or not doing from January to right now is that work. From my perspective that’s the stuff @approxinfinity is pointing out but I guess you see it differently. It will never cease to amaze me the capability humans have for looking at the same facts and evidence and coming to totally opposite conclusions.
I personally, don’t buy the impeachment defense as a. Trump wasn’t really participating much with that anyway and b. A president has to be able to handle multiple issues at the same time. Most of my opinion has been formed from watching the press briefings as I feel like it’s tough for any media to spin direct quotes with full context. And those briefings have been a mess, unfortunately with mixed messages, disagreeing with medical experts, and tossing out overly ambitious time lines. Obviously that’s my perspective and yours is different and that’s fine I guess but I do feel at some point facts are facts and a smart person would admit they were wrong. Maybe I’m the dummy holding onto my opinion but it doesn’t feel like it.
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@benshawks08 Oh, come on, let’s remember that in that proceeding the Prez and his cronies managed to exclude any testimony from witnesses and never presented evidence in defense, and, oh yeah, the outcome was never in doubt, so clearly, it is the Dem’s fault for Trump & Co to not be properly prepared. Oh wait, does that mean they are admitting the response was bad? Was Russian Agent Orange’s natural ability to understand pandemics distracted?
