Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 ty you for being civil. It’s really refreshing
Is this for real or ironic. Not trying to start stuff. Just really can’t tell! Civility isn’t always my strong suit.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1241799566699233291?s=21
Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!
It’s insane. The Senate almost had a deal then Pelosi comes in all LEEEEEROY JEEEEENKINS and could nuke the whole thing.
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@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ
Think it’s bad?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCT’s. It’s also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we don’t really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients weren’t even tested for virus. That’s really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ
Think it’s bad?
It’s not good! It’ll take days for the House to draft and vote on its bill. Not time we have at the moment. This may be the cabin fever taking hold, but I like Bernie’s plan + the Senate plan for business: $2k/month for everyone as long as the pandemic is here and $1.5 trillion in forgivable loans to small businesses (forgiveness if they maintain payroll). Simple, quick, robust enough to avoid mass layoffs.
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Good thing no one is struggling financially in the mean time…
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@BShark probably are. I’m more concerned about the safety of the medical community. I can’t believe we are living in a world where we are sewing medical masks.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCT’s. It’s also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we don’t really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients weren’t even tested for virus. That’s really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).
And so what would the great @FarmerJayhawk do? Lol Where Is your evidence that study is a Joke? I know how you like to throw around your opinion without Any evidence. Oh I forgot when the great @FarmerJayhawk says it’s crap it’s crap. Lmao
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ
Think it’s bad?
It’s not good! It’ll take days for the House to draft and vote on its bill. Not time we have at the moment. This may be the cabin fever taking hold, but I like Bernie’s plan + the Senate plan for business: $2k/month for everyone as long as the pandemic is here and $1.5 trillion in forgivable loans to small businesses (forgiveness if they maintain payroll). Simple, quick, robust enough to avoid mass layoffs.
Crap you know it and so do i
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See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet it’s easier to blame Trump.
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This seems good.
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Great read @BShark
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It will be interesting to see where we are when this blows over. I’m trying to find an article that I read talking about the possibility of millions being jobless and starving by next winter.
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Guess everyone is passing time arguing about Trump on this thread lol
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@kjayhawks It’s super not great that’s for sure. A reset of sorts.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet it’s easier to blame Trump.
Dude I literally just blamed Congress for the lack of stimulus. Plenty to go around.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCT’s. It’s also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we don’t really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients weren’t even tested for virus. That’s really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).
And so what would the great @FarmerJayhawk do? Lol Where Is your evidence that study is a Joke? I know how you like to throw around your opinion without Any evidence. Oh I forgot when the great @FarmerJayhawk says it’s crap it’s crap. Lmao
Do a clinical RCT like we do in any science already. Need bare minimum 100 subjects, all tested positive for COVID. Try the treatment, maintain treatment assignment and compliance. Then track outcomes over the course of treatment. You know, basic science.
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So far we’ve had promises of:
A million test kits by monday (two weeks ago) Perfect tests for everyone who wants one (LOL) Google Website (LOL) Drive thru testing at walmart (LOL) Promising Malaria drugs (LOL)
Good grief, people. Just tell me what you want to hear. /conman
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@DanR I am just so very proud that we are doing so much better than other countries and have it completely under control.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Germany is now restricting public gatherings to two people (except for families).
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@mayjay sarcasm?
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@mayjay would 2 people be called a gathering?
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@mayjay sarcasm?
I was just seeing if an intelligent person could say “completely under control” with a straight face. I discovered it is indeed impossible. There are two possible explanations for POTUS having done so. One explanation is that he actually cracked up and they edited the videotape. But careful examination of the video shows no sign of editing.
And so, the other explanation seems to be the only one left…
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet it’s easier to blame Trump.
Dude I literally just blamed Congress for the lack of stimulus. Plenty to go around.
What is Pelosi doiiing jfc.
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@BShark said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet it’s easier to blame Trump.
Dude I literally just blamed Congress for the lack of stimulus. Plenty to go around.
What is Pelosi doiiing jfc.
I’m livid. The Senate bill isn’t perfect. I wanted at bare minimum $2 trillion and open ended commitments but there’s not time to mess around. Instead we have to wait 2+ days for a deal in the House to come together and then the chambers to agree on something.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Glad they agree with my assessment of the study from France. Wasn’t worth much.
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@FarmerJayhawk Gotta have some stipulation for businesses keeping employees paid, right? Otherwise what is the bill doing? This is such a mess.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk Gotta have some stipulation for businesses keeping employees paid, right? Otherwise what is the bill doing? This is such a mess.
From what I gather, a bipartisan group (Rubio, Collins, Cardin, Shaheen) did the small business portion and their loans were only eligible for forgiveness if they maintained payroll. I can’t find the text of the amendment to confirm myself but I’ll look again tomorrow.
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@FarmerJayhawk What I saw said “maintain payroll as possible” leaving lots of ambiguity on what that would mean.
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Ok, stop the bullshit. While the Average American , worker/families is the one getting hurt in this , YOU the fricken Congress/Senators continue to play your bullshit Jr High School games. Time to put a pair of big boy panties on act like you got a pair and get this crap settled/done I could give a rats ass if it’s Mcconnell/Schummer/ or whatever it is Pelosi however the hell you spell her name - -people know who the hell I’m talking about. - Get off your perch, stoop trying to thump your own chest - time to swallow your dam REPUBLICAN/DEMOCRATIC pride and get this dam bill done & done NOW.
While you continue to play your little squabble bullshit game of I’ll give you a marble - - no I WANT TWO it’s your trash Collector , your School Lunch makers - you stay at home Mom’s - the A typical average Joe that’s getting F- - - - - around because of your parties simple plain bull shit. Hell you /the Congress you got your money, you ain’t got to worry hell the money you make , I mean every time we turn around your taking time out to vote to give yourselves pay increases. Get your shit together Think about the Average American for a change. these people are losing money everyday - Stop the BS and get this bill passed/signed and in place. The people need this help, they have kids to feed, mortages to try and make, try to put food on the table during these times Do your Care? - - I mean seriously do you really care? - or you just trying to make your party look good.
I don’t have an iron in the fire on this stimulus I live on my little meager 1,043 a month from my disability. I won’t get a check from this BUT there are people that need this for sure. Come on I could give a rats ass about either of your parties at this point, screw your parties just do your job - -for a change. JUST GET IT DONE. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG
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The Senate is melting down while Pelosi dithers trying to get f**** airplane emissions standards in the House bill. I’m at a total loss.
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@BShark she should’ve had rands test!
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@BShark I don’t think I posted this here, but look at our KS leg. This is how they treated our governor! Can you imagine where we’d be w/brokeback! https://www.hutchnews.com/news/20200322/5-days-of-kansas-coronavirus-talk-how-rapidly-changing-story-unfolded-in-political-arena
I truly hope their constituents heard their remarks.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Glad they agree with my assessment of the study from France. Wasn’t worth much.
I’m glad you like. I’m a fair person. Unlike some people labeling you without any evidence to back it up. You know the type claim to be one way when really at their core they are another. Don’t have time for people like that. Those types always have agenda, and it’s never for the greater good.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.
So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem
How did that small state produce so many more tests than us? We still haven’t caught up to them in testing numbers.
Because they didn’t need as many?
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@DoubleDD Tell me more about that. I don’t think I’m following.
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Well for one south Korea is a small state compared to United States of America. The populations don’t even compare. Second this virus started in this part of the world they’ve had a bit of a Headstart on the rest of the world. That’s China trying to keep the lid on this as long as They could. Notice how in that part of the world the numbers of infected are going down yet in the rest of the world they’re going up? What is it because they are smarter? If china was so damn smart then why do they steal everybody else’s technology and research? Sadly I’m hearing and reading now that the Chinese want to withhold drugs to the rest of the world mainly United States that could circumvent this virus.
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Yet again hearsay
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On a promising note the supreme ruler of China who is not elected has promised Trump Who can be elected out of office. That is not the case.
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I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?
Why can’t this narrative die https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IPG3254N
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@FarmerJayhawk nice link, thanks.
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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk nice link, thanks.
FRED is amazing
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
I mean @bskeet as we sent over all our abilities to make medicine to the Chinese because it’s cheaper todo so. Or is it?
Why can’t this narrative die https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IPG3254N
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877
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some narratives just don’t change, when there is to much evidence and agreement that it is indeed true.
