Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19
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I just post too much.
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@BShark back to a more civil conversation. Can Trump be blamed for dropping the ball. Of course. Yet that is arm chair QB stuff. The important thing is where are we at now? There will be a time of judgment when we beat this virus. China being at the top of the list.
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@DoubleDD Agree!
Also in case you missed this: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/harvard-professor-chinese-nationals-arrest-espionage/index.html
Lots of blame to go around with this. I think some things were deliberate but thatâs for another time and thread.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Bad leadership? Says who ? You. When did you become an expert on leadership? I mean your boy Obama and the Biben team did a worse job on H1N1.
I donât know, how about the American citizens join forces And keep a virus at bay. But no letâs play politics.
Absolutely amazing that you advocate not âplaying politicsâ in a post where you use the classic what about Obama tactic.
Shutting down flights from China was a good move. But can you honestly everything sense then has been âperfect,â â10/10â? Yesterday he put recommendations for an unproven medication combination to treat the virus causing a run on essential medication for people with Lupis. Heâs taken every opportunity to âplay politicsâ and bash Biden whenever he has a chance. Just blind worship from you on trump at this point.
You bring up transgender people for no reason at all and then whine and complain that this isnât a safe place for you and itâs not âfair and balancedâ (wonder where you got that oneâŚ). Whose the real snowflake here? This had been a pretty civil thread until you took it off the rails. Most of us arenât actually talking republican vs dem but you choose to see it that way. Look above for praise all around for a variety of republican governors from myself and others. So who is really âplaying politics?â
Also, interesting you donât protest the racist and sexist accusations. If you donât like being labeled such things, maybe donât spew hateful rhetoric.
If you want to see what real thoughtful debate and disagreement looks like, check out @FarmerJayhawk. A real pro at disagreeing with someone, providing true support for an argument, and never making it or taking it personal. No point trying that with you in your current state.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Bad leadership? Says who ? You. When did you become an expert on leadership? I mean your boy Obama and the Biben team did a worse job on H1N1.
I donât know, how about the American citizens join forces And keep a virus at bay. But no letâs play politics.
Absolutely amazing that you advocate not âplaying politicsâ in a post where you use the classic what about Obama tactic.
Shitting down flights from China was a good move. But can you honestly everything sense then has been âperfect,â â10/10â? Yesterday he put recommendations for an unproven medication combination to treat the virus causing a run on essential medication for people with Lupis. Heâs taken every opportunity to âplay politicsâ and bash Biden whenever he has a chance. Just blind worship from you on trump at this point.
You bring up transgender people for no reason at all and then whine and complain that this isnât a safe place for you and itâs not âfair and balancedâ (wonder where you got that oneâŚ). Whose the real snowflake here? This had been a pretty civil thread until you took it off the rails. Most of us arenât actually talking republican vs dem but you choose to see it that way. Look above for praise all around for a variety of republican governors from myself and others. So who is really âplaying politics?â
Also, interesting you donât protest the racist and sexist accusations. If you donât like being labeled such things, maybe donât spew hateful rhetoric.
If you want to see what real thoughtful debate and disagreement looks like, check out @FarmerJayhawk. A real pro at disagreeing with someone, providing true support for an argument, and never making it or taking it personal. No point trying that with you in your current state.
My friend if you think trump is playing politics? I donât know what To say? We all know Trump (ego problem). Yet what president has done better in handling this coronavirus? I mean how many Americans died before Obama declared a national problem?
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@DoubleDD Moon Jae-in
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@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No letâs tell every American you screwed. Then letâs see what happens? You have guns? Because youâll need them if you you say that to the American people.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD Moon Jae-in
Iâm not a educated as you. Youâll have to explain.
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@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No letâs tell every American you screwed. Then letâs see what happens? You have guns? Because youâll need them if you you say that to the American people.
no if you look I was taling about not having to have blind faith to realize that the game he mentioned being played on CBS . Donât need blind faith OR hope to know KU was really good in 2008
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No letâs tell every American you screwed. Then letâs see what happens? You have guns? Because youâll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesnât have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. Thatâs my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.
So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem
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No.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No letâs tell every American you screwed. Then letâs see what happens? You have guns? Because youâll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesnât have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. Thatâs my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.
So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem
How did that small state produce so many more tests than us? We still havenât caught up to them in testing numbers.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No letâs tell every American you screwed. Then letâs see what happens? You have guns? Because youâll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesnât have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. Thatâs my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?
What are you even talking about here?
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.
So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem
How did that small state produce so many more tests than us? We still havenât caught up to them in testing numbers.
Good question I guess we can blame the whole world? Maybe they donât have a fda
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No letâs tell every American you screwed. Then letâs see what happens? You have guns? Because youâll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesnât have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. Thatâs my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?
What are you even talking about here?
Trump is hanging his hat on French scientists cure or curb of the coronavirus.
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@benshawks08 ty you for being civil. Itâs really refreshing
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 Thereâs a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we arenât united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesnât absolve someone from bad leadership.
Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.
ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol
Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No letâs tell every American you screwed. Then letâs see what happens? You have guns? Because youâll need them if you you say that to the American people.
Hope is good but doesnât have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. Thatâs my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?
The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?
What are you even talking about here?
Trump is hanging his hat on French scientists cure or curb of the coronavirus.
Hadnât heard about that. Have heard thereâs a scientist in Singapore who has developed a yes that can tell if youâve EVER had covid-19. Likely to be able to tell up to 20 years later if you ever got it. Not so helps right now but could be going forward as we try to track how this thing got so out of control.
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Good thread on how the FDA boned this from the start https://twitter.com/alecstapp/status/1241027712233410560?s=21
Also, thank you for the kind words @benshawks08!
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https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1241799566699233291?s=21
Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!
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Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
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As far as I know
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1241799566699233291?s=21
Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!
Iâd ever there was a time to cut the bs it is now.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 ty you for being civil. Itâs really refreshing
Is this for real or ironic. Not trying to start stuff. Just really canât tell! Civility isnât always my strong suit.
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@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1241799566699233291?s=21
Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!
Itâs insane. The Senate almost had a deal then Pelosi comes in all LEEEEEROY JEEEEENKINS and could nuke the whole thing.
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@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ
Think itâs bad?
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCTâs. Itâs also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we donât really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients werenât even tested for virus. Thatâs really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ
Think itâs bad?
Itâs not good! Itâll take days for the House to draft and vote on its bill. Not time we have at the moment. This may be the cabin fever taking hold, but I like Bernieâs plan + the Senate plan for business: $2k/month for everyone as long as the pandemic is here and $1.5 trillion in forgivable loans to small businesses (forgiveness if they maintain payroll). Simple, quick, robust enough to avoid mass layoffs.
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Good thing no one is struggling financially in the mean timeâŚ
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@BShark probably are. Iâm more concerned about the safety of the medical community. I canât believe we are living in a world where we are sewing medical masks.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCTâs. Itâs also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we donât really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients werenât even tested for virus. Thatâs really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).
And so what would the great @FarmerJayhawk do? Lol Where Is your evidence that study is a Joke? I know how you like to throw around your opinion without Any evidence. Oh I forgot when the great @FarmerJayhawk says itâs crap itâs crap. Lmao
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@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk https://apple.news/AbfvdNF6xQBCVotvOwpqLNQ
Think itâs bad?
Itâs not good! Itâll take days for the House to draft and vote on its bill. Not time we have at the moment. This may be the cabin fever taking hold, but I like Bernieâs plan + the Senate plan for business: $2k/month for everyone as long as the pandemic is here and $1.5 trillion in forgivable loans to small businesses (forgiveness if they maintain payroll). Simple, quick, robust enough to avoid mass layoffs.
Crap you know it and so do i
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See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet itâs easier to blame Trump.
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This seems good.
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Great read @BShark
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It will be interesting to see where we are when this blows over. Iâm trying to find an article that I read talking about the possibility of millions being jobless and starving by next winter.
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Guess everyone is passing time arguing about Trump on this thread lol
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@kjayhawks Itâs super not great thatâs for sure. A reset of sorts.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
See what @FarmerJayhawk isnt telling you. You need the house and the senate to pass a stimulus package. Yet itâs easier to blame Trump.
Dude I literally just blamed Congress for the lack of stimulus. Plenty to go around.
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@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Take it with a grain of salt. But this is what Trump is hanging his hat on for now
I saw this the other day, and holy moly is this study absolute garbage. Without getting too into the grimy details, essentially the study had no real randomization so it violates every single assumption we make in running RCTâs. Itâs also seriously underpowered (n=36). The outcome is viral load, not whether the patients actually got better, so we donât really know a whole lot beyond that. In about half the days of the study, control patients werenât even tested for virus. Thatâs really bad. At best the study is useless, at worst leads us down a rabbit hole of pursuing treatments that may be really harmful to non-COVID patients (e.g. folks with Lupus who are treated this way).
And so what would the great @FarmerJayhawk do? Lol Where Is your evidence that study is a Joke? I know how you like to throw around your opinion without Any evidence. Oh I forgot when the great @FarmerJayhawk says itâs crap itâs crap. Lmao
Do a clinical RCT like we do in any science already. Need bare minimum 100 subjects, all tested positive for COVID. Try the treatment, maintain treatment assignment and compliance. Then track outcomes over the course of treatment. You know, basic science.
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So far weâve had promises of:
A million test kits by monday (two weeks ago) Perfect tests for everyone who wants one (LOL) Google Website (LOL) Drive thru testing at walmart (LOL) Promising Malaria drugs (LOL)
Good grief, people. Just tell me what you want to hear. /conman
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@DanR I am just so very proud that we are doing so much better than other countries and have it completely under control.
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@Crimsonorblue22 Germany is now restricting public gatherings to two people (except for families).
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@mayjay sarcasm?
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@mayjay would 2 people be called a gathering?
