Trouble?
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I’m trying to be respectful here. But you don’t understand what qualifies as proof. You seem to think there has to be a video, or a document that “convicts.”
So the perspective is considered, folks go to jail based on eyewitness testimony. The go to jail based on circumstantial evidence. You need to get past the opinion that there is no evidence.
For example -
TJ Gassnola testified under oath in a federal trial that he provided money to Preston and SDS. Testimony under oath is “proof.” Maybe not what you feel sufficient, but certainly sufficient in a court of law (and the low end stuff like NCAA enforcement). His level of credibility is extremely high because 1) Federal prosecutors put him on the stand in a high profile case, and 2) they would have vetted his claims related to his plea deal. Not to mention that his testimony helped lead to convictions, and his own actions led to a plea. KU presumably says they had no knowledge of it. So KU can’t deny it. KU undeniably sought Adidas’ help and intervention with recruits. The texting demonstrates that on its on, but that part isn’t denied anyway. Thus those actors, whom KU solicited for help, broke NCAA rules assisting KU in recruiting.
You also seem to think that because others are corrupt, KU can’t be punished. Don’t you think others have tutors that do the work for players like MU did? Or that booster give money to recruits like happened with BYU? They got punished, right?
The NCAA, like law enforcement, can only act on the info they have. Meaning, sure, others may be smuggling drugs but they don’t defer punishing those they catch because others are doing the same thing and not getting caught.
If you refuse to acknowledge or understand the above, I can’t help you.
As we sit here, we don’t know what the NCAA will do. I hope you’re right on the punishment. I fear a bad result. But I hope other factors weigh here and the NCAA wimps out (selfishly). I’ve felt from the start that if we get hammered, we should “burn it down.” That is, give the NCAA all the info we know on other schools, etc. Who knows, that might be going on behind closed doors. I would certainly, if I were KU, consider that negotiating strategy in advance to get a slap on the wrist.
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Bad rumours are swirling.
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BShark said:
Bad rumours are swirling.
Like what?
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That sanctions are coming for KU
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BShark said:
That sanctions are coming for KU
Great - - - - how bad?
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Bad
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Hoping it’s just a bunch of crap.
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Haven’t heard a peep from anyone about it.
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BShark said:
Bad rumours are swirling.
I love the spelling on “rumours” – like a Fleetwood Mac album or something.
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Haven’t heard a peep from anyone about it.
Seems like a mixed bag on the phog but wanted to bring it up here in case someone more tied in has heard more.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Haven’t heard a peep from anyone about it.
Seems like a mixed bag on the phog but wanted to bring it up here in case someone more tied in has heard more.
ya I decided to run there and see too. - -like you say mixed , seems though also a lot calling BS.
One Poster said nothing would happen this quick - -would be a letter of notice to the School the School would have time to gather information and a lot of back and forth for months - -saying at worst we might get a letter today of Allegations
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@HighEliteMajor I, like you, have always been worried about this. Now I am really worried.
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A notice of allegations, yes, would be bad. We heard two months ago that the letters would be coming. This seems like reasonable time for that phase. But rumors …
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@HighEliteMajor Fleetwood Mac sounds better
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@HighEliteMajor Fleetwood Mac sounds better
Stevie Nicks was always great … always a little partial to Joan Jett though.
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My best cut and paste from @FarmerJayhawk’s link-
University of Kansas
KU basketball expected to face multiple major violation allegations from NCAA
By Jesse Newelland
Steve Vockrodt
September 20, 2019 03:05 PM,Updated 12 minutes ago University of Kansas Athletic Director Jeff Long talks about the university’s 14-year extension with Adidas, amid the NCAA investigation into college basketball recruiting. The NCAA is preparing to issue a notice of allegations that details multiple major violations in the Kansas men’s basketball program, The Star has learned.
The notice will come, sources told The Star, after a summer of speculation following a top NCAA official saying the organization would make findings against schools involved in a pay-for-play recruiting scheme investigated by the FBI.
When asked for comment, Dan Beckler, associate KU athletic director for public relations, told The Star that KU Athletics had not received any notification from the NCAA.
The Star also asked the NCAA for comment.
“Due to member-created rules, we cannot comment on current, pending or potential investigations,” Stacey Osburn, NCAA director of public and media relations, wrote in an email.
On June 12, Stan Wilcox, the NCAA’s vice president of regulatory affairs, said at least six schools would receive a notice of allegations for Level 1 violationsthis summer.
North Carolina State on July 10 received a notice of allegations that included two Level 1 violations.
Level 1 violations carry some of the most severe punishment, including postseason bans and loss of scholarships.
N.C. State and Kansas were among the schools associated with Adidas that were named during the federal investigation.
Former Adidas employee T.J. Gassnola testified in federal court last October that he made payments of $90,000 on behalf of Adidas to the mother of KU basketball player Billy Preston and $2,500 to the guardian of Silvio De Sousa. Gassnola also said he agreed to pay $20,000 to Fenny Falmagne, the guardian of De Sousa, to help Falmagne exit an agreement to send De Sousa to Maryland, an Under Armour school.
Gassnola testified that KU coach Bill Self was not aware of the payments.
As a result of that trial, De Sousa was given a two-year NCAA suspension. Kansas appealed the second year of the punishment and the NCAA reinstated De Sousa, who is allowed to play this upcoming season.
Gassnola avoided prison time and was sentenced to probation.
One of KU’s NCAA issues could be Gassnola’s relationship to Self and assistant Kurtis Townsend as revealed in court.
Text messages showed that during the time KU was recruiting De Sousa, KU coaches were aware that Gassnola was in contact with De Sousa’s guardian, Fenny Falmagne.
Gassnola testified that Townsend asked him to contact De Sousa’s guardian. Falmagne told The Star he wanted to see if Adidas would send gear it didn’t need to Angola’s national team.
Third parties and/or boosters are not allowed to provide anything with monetary value to a recruit or the recruit’s family or guardian. It is possible the NCAA deems it inappropriate for Townsend to ask Gassnola to send gear to Angola.
ESPN recently reported that NCAA investigators in addition to N.C. State were working on cases at KU, Arizona, Auburn, Creighton, Louisville, LSU and USC.
When a school such as KU receives a notice of allegations, the university has 90 days to respond. The NCAA has granted extensions to schools in the past.
The school response then is sent to an NCAA enforcement committee. That committee has 60 days to file a reply and a “statement of the case.”
Next, a hearing date is scheduled with the NCAA Committee on Infractions. At that hearing, the university is allowed to present its case with an NCAA ruling to follow. The ruling could take several months to reach.
If a school is assessed penalties, it has the opportunity to appeal.
The Star’s Gary Bedore contributed to this report
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We won’t know anything until they get the NOA and see what is in it. That is a extremely vague report by the Star.
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@Woodrow The “multiple major violations” is what stands out to me. Excuse me while I go throw up.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Woodrow The “multiple major violations” is what stands out to me. Excuse me while I go throw up.
I was afraid of this - -NOW we know why recruiting SUCKS THIS SEASON
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@HighEliteMajor Oh yea I am with you. However, the NCAA is going to go big and then KU will appeal and they will meet somewhere in the middle.
I just don’t know what worse case scenario is. IMO it would be Self saying F this and leaving. Second would be a postseason ban.
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Woodrow said:
@HighEliteMajor Oh yea I am with you. However, the NCAA is going to go big and then KU will appeal and they will meet somewhere in the middle.
I just don’t know what worse case scenario is. IMO it would be Self saying F this and leaving. Second would be a postseason ban.
Read somewhere there Self had offered his Resignation
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Was just a matter of time
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So KU says no notification received yet, and NCAA has no comment. The article is basically a rehash of old news. Nothing new except Jesse either has a source at the NCAA or he reads sports forums like the rest of us.
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@jayballer73 I think that is someone being a troll. Self has said numerous times he plans to stick it out , but maybe he thought they were in the clear. Who the hell knows at this point.
Shitty thing is they are going to be good this year, but know they will have this hanging them all year.
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Kansas is just gonna get a notice like what NC State Get
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DanR said:
So KU says no notification received yet, and NCAA has no comment. The article is basically a rehash of old news. Nothing new except Jesse either has a source at the NCAA or he reads sports forums like the rest of us.
If the source is one of those phog poster I would die.
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I heard no post season ban
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I think worst case scenario is vacating games Silvio played in and some recruiting restrictions. If the NCAA goes much more than that they’ll have to give Zona and NC St. the death penalty
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I think worst case scenario is vacating games Silvio played in and some recruiting restrictions. If the NCAA goes much more than that they’ll have to give Zona and NC St. the death penalty
Still beat Duke, I saw it.
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I think worst case scenario is vacating games Silvio played in and some recruiting restrictions. If the NCAA goes much more than that they’ll have to give Zona and NC St. the death penalty
Still beat Duke, I saw it.
They can never undo the liver damage caused by random strangers buying my KU group tequila shots
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BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I think worst case scenario is vacating games Silvio played in and some recruiting restrictions. If the NCAA goes much more than that they’ll have to give Zona and NC St. the death penalty
Still beat Duke, I saw it.
If they take away the Duke win, they have to take away the Nova loss. Glass half full, ya know.
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I’ll say this much, I’ll be done with college athletics if the NCAA comes down hard on us and some the other Adidas schools while not batting an eye at the Nike schools. We all know Zion got paid and most of UKs recruits aswell.
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Issac McBride leaving. https://twitter.com/jayhawkslant/status/1175173357484093440?s=21
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@FarmerJayhawk is that due to this or something totally unrelated???
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Woodrow said:
@FarmerJayhawk is that due to this or something totally unrelated???
SOMETHING TOTALL UNRELATED
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Woodrow said:
@FarmerJayhawk is that due to this or something totally unrelated???
Harris is better. Now we have an open scholarship. Sup Kyree
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McBride is leaving KU
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This generation of kids just makes you laugh
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BeddieKU23 said:
This generation of kids just makes you laugh
Sounds mutual. Also the decision was made Tuesday apparently. Really sounds like he was the 13th guy on the roster.
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There’s always barber college for guys like McBride.
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Woodrow said:
@jayballer73 I think that is someone being a troll. Self has said numerous times he plans to stick it out , but maybe he thought they were in the clear. Who the hell knows at this point.
Shitty thing is they are going to be good this year, but know they will have this hanging them all year.
enjoy this year - -things could be really messy for a few after
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FarmerJayhawk said:
I think worst case scenario is vacating games Silvio played in and some recruiting restrictions. If the NCAA goes much more than that they’ll have to give Zona and NC St. the death penalty
You really think those that you mentioned are that serious? - - the way they talking MULTIPLE SERIOUS Allegations
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FarmerJayhawk said:
Woodrow said:
@FarmerJayhawk is that due to this or something totally unrelated???
Harris is better. Now we have an open scholarship. Sup Kyree
I would Love Kyree – -BUT no way now - - I think the staff backed off Kyree , because they heard about his so called over sea’s thing - - Now in his 247 CB - -he doesn’t even list KU as one of his top five schools - -I think we totally if that turns out MAJOR recruiting screw up - -that fish was as good as in our pan
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And here we go people starting to take shots at McBride - -I’ll NEVER understand - -kids decides to leave - - - -he leaves - so be itv- -there is no reason just because the kid leaves that people should start taking crack as remarks about him. – We was fine before he got here - - we will be fine after he isn’t here - - one way or another it will work out…
What does people gain by acting like that? - -not the 1st kid to leave - - not the only school that a kid has left - -as Aaron - -says R - - -E - - - L - - - A - - -X - -Sun STILL gonna come up tomorrow - -come up in the East - -and set in the West - -just breathe. - - umm , umm , umm - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Rough day.
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jayballer73 said:
And here we go people starting to take shots at McBride - -I’ll NEVER understand - -kids decides to leave - - - -he leaves - so be itv- -there is no reason just because the kid leaves that people should start taking crack as remarks about him. – We was fine before he got here - - we will be fine after he isn’t here - - one way or another it will work out…
What does people gain by acting like that? - -not the 1st kid to leave - - not the only school that a kid has left - -as Aaron - -says R - - -E - - - L - - - A - - -X - -Sun STILL gonna come up tomorrow - -come up in the East - -and set in the West - -just breathe. - - umm , umm , umm - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
And Plus the kid has the right to think if the program is not a fit for them
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I think we’re all missing the larger positive here. The moral fiber of today’s high level D-1 basketball player has never been higher. Here we have Kansas offering them bags of cash as well as homes/jobs for their parents and yet instead they’re taking the high ground and choosing to go to Duke/Kentucky/Memphis for free. The future is truly bright.
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JAYHAWKFAN214 said:
jayballer73 said:
And here we go people starting to take shots at McBride - -I’ll NEVER understand - -kids decides to leave - - - -he leaves - so be itv- -there is no reason just because the kid leaves that people should start taking crack as remarks about him. – We was fine before he got here - - we will be fine after he isn’t here - - one way or another it will work out…
What does people gain by acting like that? - -not the 1st kid to leave - - not the only school that a kid has left - -as Aaron - -says R - - -E - - - L - - - A - - -X - -Sun STILL gonna come up tomorrow - -come up in the East - -and set in the West - -just breathe. - - umm , umm , umm - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
And Plus the kid has the right to think if the program is not a fit for them
Exactly - - kids makes mistakes - -so be it - - ya true I hate he is leaving but what ya gonna do?
