2019 Transfer List
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Trying to think - -I know pretty hard for me right? lol - -anyways what the kids name was we tried getting ended up at I think UNLV? - -Juiston? - - is that right? - -wouldn’t he be a nice fit to end the year with? - -what happened to him?
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I will mention again, when you are picking a school as an athlete, you are picking a coach as much as anything else.
Q was not a good fit at KU. From the beginning of the season, Self had him basically out on the perimeter as a floor spacing shooter. When his shot was falling, that worked well. When it was not, it went poorly.
A couple of stat lines:
38-77, 49% from the field, 6-25, 24% from 3 PT, 3.3/1 Assist to Turnover ratio, 4 rebounds per game
106-276, 38% from the field, 54-159, 34% from 3 PT, 1/1 Assist to Turnover ratio, 2.5 rebounds per game
Those are both Quentin Grimes, both playing under Self. One was with team USA, where Q played on the ball quite a bit. The other is obviously Q playing at KU, where he played exclusively off the ball. You notice right away that at KU, 57% of Q’s shots came from three, while for team USA, only about a third did. Q’s primary role for KU was as a floor spacing shooter. He did okay in that role, but literally every other part of his game suffered as a result. At no point did we see the aggressive Grimes that you saw for Team USA, or in HS.
Self basically used Q as if he were Brannen Greene or Conner Frankamp. There is absolutely NO WAY a player with Grimes’ skillset should have shot more than half his shots on the season from three. That’s part of why KU was so hard to watch last year. The pieces never really fit together. Not enough shooting. Not enough floor spacing. Not enough creativity. I remember a few times early in the season where Q spotted a mismatch and ran into the post, where he called for the ball against a smaller player. That type of play disappeared as the season wore on, even though inverting the offense to let Dedric take a bigger player out to the perimeter where he had a skill advantage, and letting Q post a smaller player, where he had a size advantage was perhaps KU’s best available MUA. We did not see that enough for whatever reason. Either way, it’s water under the bridge now.
I just hope lessons were learned by everyone and that Self in particular has gotten more creative with how he will approach his sets this year with another team that may have some pieces that don’t fit together very cleanly.
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FYI Kerry Blackshear is going to Florida for his last year. Talk about Christmas in June for the Gators. Just changed the entire complexion of their ceiling
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@justanotherfan Moss is a better fit for that spot. It’s his game. I think it will help a lot to have experience on the perimeter. Last year, there were times when we were playing 3 freshmen at the same time on the perimeter.
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@justanotherfan part of that as well is most of those international rosters being worse than most KU opponents. But I agree that A playing out of position hurt his game and the team. Self was rigid again in this instance.
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I have never claimed to be a moral compass, however I will call out someone for being an asshole unnecessarily when I see it happening. I criticized Grimes plenty here because his on court play fell well short of expectations. I don’t have an issue with calling a player out for that. Grimes wasn’t the first player to fall short of expectations and leave and he won’t be the last at KU, he’s just the most high profile player so far to fall I to that category.
Grimes also never got into any off court trouble and never bad mouthed the program during this process. He ended up not being a good fit at KU and moved on, it happens. Grimes situation is identical to Malik Newman’s situation. A 5 star who failed to live up to expectations at his first school, tested the draft waters, ended up transferring and played a very major role in getting KU to the Final Four.
Being a dick about Grimes transferring is something I would expect to see at KUSports or the Phog.
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It could be argued Selby was a higher profile bust.
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jayballer73 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea, you’re the moral compass around here. What a joke.
happen to agree with Texas. - -why talk crap on the kid just because he didn’t feel better? - make people feel more macho - -more of A MAN ? - - dies it feed into the self ego? - so he didn’t work out – So what? - -shit happens. - never have figured out why people feel the need when someone doesn’t work out or picks another school WHY?
We’ll remember this moment when you’re talking c*** on someone, which you, of course, have never done.
I just suggest we not come out and suggest someone is being a “d***” – a term he seems to like to say since he’s now said it like three times in this thread – solely for expressing an opinion that many share (and as @dylans did, with some humor).
Grimes was waste of a scholarship. Waste of time. The entitled prima donna. Glad he’s gone.
I’ve now forgotten who we are talking about.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
I have never claimed to be a moral compass, however I will call out someone for being an asshole unnecessarily when I see it happening. I criticized Grimes plenty here because his on court play fell well short of expectations. I don’t have an issue with calling a player out for that. Grimes wasn’t the first player to fall short of expectations and leave and he won’t be the last at KU, he’s just the most high profile player so far to fall I to that category.
Grimes also never got into any off court trouble and never bad mouthed the program during this process. He ended up not being a good fit at KU and moved on, it happens. Grimes situation is identical to Malik Newman’s situation. A 5 star who failed to live up to expectations at his first school, tested the draft waters, ended up transferring and played a very major role in getting KU to the Final Four.
Being a dick about Grimes transferring is something I would expect to see at KUSports or the Phog.
@Texashawk I would respectfully offer that the post I just cited is quite a different approach, save the last sentence, vs. referring to someone being a d*** as you did twice before.
I would suggest that someone is not being a d*** by offering some humor as some did, nor do I think offering an opinion based on factual observation is “d***” like either.
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@HighEliteMajor I’m sorry, but fart noises and pretending a kid doesn’t exist because Grimes is close to announcing his transfer destination isn’t offering any kind of opinion. It’s being a dick for the sake of being a dick and I’m not apologizing for expressing that viewpoint.
I already said I have no issues with criticizing his on court play because there was plenty to criticize. This situation is no different than the Malik Newman situation. Newman was a top 10 recruit, was played out of position and underachieved, declared for the draft after his freshman season, didn’t get the feedback he wanted, came back to college and transferred elsewhere that he would be a better fit.
Only difference is that KU is on the front end of the situation with Grimes.
Other than not play up to his top 10 ranking, what has Grimes done to deserve people that don’t know him personally talk shit about him?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m sorry, who are we talking about, and when did he play at KU? And why do you like the word d*** so much?
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I didn’t take fart to be solely a criticism of the kid, I took it as an anticlimactic noise signifying the end of an underwhelming situation. Would Grimes have been a first round pick had he attended another school this year? It’s very hard to believe that, given his combine if not his season. So he came to Kansas and was asked to do what Kansas wanted. He could have improved at the wing.
Was there any better opportunity presented him at another successful program last year? Or was his only better option attending Kansas but to be used differently? And if he had been used on ball more or in post ups, do we know that would have worked well with the rest of the personnel? Would we have Devon back next year? Who knows? I wanted to see Q on ball about midseason but gave up wanting that when Devon started to kick ass. I just wonder if there was any program high enough profile with the opportunity Q wanted available to him. Is it fair to judge your post in a year, barring some derailment, assuming he lasts at a program that uses him as he wanted?
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@HighEliteMajor Wow, someone used the word dick more than once, time to break out a gay joke!
@approxinfinity I’ve always thought Grimes was overrated as a top ten recruit because I got to see him quite a bit in person in high school. His natural skill set is a pass first point guard. He’s got above average handles and court vision. He saw plays in HS that his teammates never saw (his HS teams sucked, only made the state playoffs once out of a pretty weak basketball district) that led to a lot of turnovers for Grimes.
Grimes weaknesses are what will keep him from the NBA just like Newman’s weaknesses will keep him from the NBA. Newman was too small to be an NBA 2 and he doesn’t have the handles to be a PG at the NBA level.
Grimes has the handles and vision to be a good college PG, but he doesn’t have the shooting or athleticism to be a perimeter player or the size to be a point forward. His time running the point for Self at the U-18s is evidence of that. As someone above mentioned, the competition was mostly below anything Grimes saw at KU, but it was also better than just about anything Grimes saw in HS as well.
Grimes will be a good college player if he lands somewhere that lets him be a PG, or at least a ball dominant player, but he’ll never be an NBA player.
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@approxinfinity interesting notion. I would think Dotson’s development would have been stifled off the ball. Dotson appears to be the player more worth developing at pg and is definitely more of a “Bill Self” type player. Of course another consideration is that Bill recruited two players that didn’t fit together at all Bill isn’t omnipotent but some warning signs were there. In general I am weary of Texas prospects, it’s still hard to evaluate them compared to other high prospect density areas.
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HighEliteMajor said:
jayballer73 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yea, you’re the moral compass around here. What a joke.
happen to agree with Texas. - -why talk crap on the kid just because he didn’t feel better? - make people feel more macho - -more of A MAN ? - - dies it feed into the self ego? - so he didn’t work out – So what? - -shit happens. - never have figured out why people feel the need when someone doesn’t work out or picks another school WHY?
We’ll remember this moment when you’re talking c*** on someone, which you, of course, have never done.
I just suggest we not come out and suggest someone is being a “d***” – a term he seems to like to say since he’s now said it like three times in this thread – solely for expressing an opinion that many share (and as @dylans did, with some humor).
Grimes was waste of a scholarship. Waste of time. The entitled prima donna. Glad he’s gone.
I’ve now forgotten who we are talking about.
GRIMES – -don’t make have to tell you again
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@HighEliteMajor I’m sorry, but fart noises and pretending a kid doesn’t exist because Grimes is close to announcing his transfer destination isn’t offering any kind of opinion. It’s being a dick for the sake of being a dick and I’m not apologizing for expressing that viewpoint.
I already said I have no issues with criticizing his on court play because there was plenty to criticize. This situation is no different than the Malik Newman situation. Newman was a top 10 recruit, was played out of position and underachieved, declared for the draft after his freshman season, didn’t get the feedback he wanted, came back to college and transferred elsewhere that he would be a better fit.
Only difference is that KU is on the front end of the situation with Grimes.
Other than not play up to his top 10 ranking, what has Grimes done to deserve people that don’t know him personally talk shit about him?
OH SHIT Texas - -HighElite would say - -now that’s 4 times roflmao
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HighEliteMajor said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I’m sorry, who are we talking about, and when did he play at KU? And why do you like the word d*** so much?
GRIMES - -don’t make me tell you again
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@BShark Dallas area prospects tend to be better overall than Houston area prospects.
Part of the reason why Texas doesn’t churn out the basketball prospects the way other areas do is twofold. One is Texas has always been a football first state so the top athletes here tend to gravitate towards football more instead of basketball. Second, Texas was very late to the game in allowing players to play AAU ball. That also stifled development as a lot of top prospects who typically moved out of state so they could develop.
That’s a big reason why the state only has one national championship in D1 hoops and only 12 Final Four appearances all time and probably 4 of those 12 (both of Baylor’s and 2 of UT’S) came when the NIT was still considered the more prestigious tournament.
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@jayballer73 I’m not talking crap, just speaking facts. Grimes was not ready for primetime and I’m glad that he’s moving on. It wasn’t just Vick that was the cancer, it was Grimes too. I wish him the best, but am glad that he’ll be on another team.
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@jayballer73 Stop being childish, it’s not any better than what others are doing.
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QUENTIN GRIMES HAS COMMITTED TO HOUSTON PER TO HIS TWITTER PAGE. AND HE IS EXPECTED TO FILE A WAIVER WITH THE NCAA FOR IMMEDIATE ELIGIBILITY NEXT SEASON,PER MULTIPLE SOURCES.
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I wonder what the waiver claim will be about. If KU gets a Notice from the NCAA that would be cut and dry, anything else and I don’t see him being eligible immediately.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I criticized his play from the get go, saw what he wasn’t almost immediately. But have never said that I don’t wish him only the best.
This is an opinion site, and we are talking about Grimes so I offered my opinion. And it is not just an opinion but fact, Grimes can’t play. Where should he transfer to? Perhaps Sam Houston.
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I’m a fair weather fan to people who transfer. I don’t care where they go, or what they do. I didn’t like Q that much as a player, and thought he should’ve played less minutes. If you’re going to call me a dick, I might as well get my money’s worth…lol.
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I guess Grimes is going to Houston, as I thought he would. Good luck with that - Sampson loves him some D.
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@BShark Grimes is from Houston, so I’m assuming playing closer to home is the basis of the waiver. Probably won’t be approved though because there’s no family emergency or anything that should allow him to play next season.
If it’s UH, it’s a good fit for him because Kelvin Sampson will use him as the lead guard which is what Grimes wants. Dotson coming back is why Grimes left KU because Grimes doesn’t play well off the ball.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 that will be a must see. Wish him the best. I do know this, Sampson - he’s a great coach! - loves his teams to D up. Grimes at point? This will be interesting.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark Grimes is from Houston, so I’m assuming playing closer to home is the basis of the waiver. Probably won’t be approved though because there’s no family emergency or anything that should allow him to play next season.
If it’s UH, it’s a good fit for him because Kelvin Sampson will use him as the lead guard which is what Grimes wants. Dotson coming back is why Grimes left KU because Grimes doesn’t play well off the ball.
YES THAT WERE HE IS GONING
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@JAYHAWKFAN214 well said…
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@Texas-Hawk-10 I read that as “if it’s uhhhhh”
I do wish him well, but I also hope that Self knows what he’s doing and that he didnt make a big mistake with Grimes. So I don’t wish him POY well. Just “competent starting PG” well.
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@Marco Why are you getting so defensive over this? I never said you did wish Grimes would fail after announcing his transfer, and I never said I had an issue with criticizing his on court performance because it was very underwhelming for a top 10 player and deserved criticism.
If you want to get defensive because I, and many others here, called out your opinion of Marcus Garrett redshirting next season for being ridiculous, or your statement that all 4 freshmen will average over 10 mpg next season, then that’s on you for saying those things.
If you don’t think Grimes is a natural PG, then I would highly recommend you watch his U18 stuff last summer under Self, and his HS videos because I can tell you one thing about Grimes and that is that his natural position is PG. His defense will also be just fine in AAC because that league outside of UH and Cincy is are way below the B12 in terms of athleticism. You put OSU or WVU in the AAC last season and those teams finish top 3 in the AAC while UH and Cincy would have struggled to be top half of the B12 last season.
If the UH decision is accurate, Grimes made the right choice and he’ll be AAC POY if he stays all 3 years of eligibility he has left.
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@approxinfinity Grimes waited out Dotson’s decision. Had Dotson stayed in the draft, Grimes would’ve stayed at KU and been the lead guard next season in his natural position. And AAC POY is his ceiling because he’s good enough to do that in that league by his senior year of he stays that long.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Did I say all four freshman would average over ten minutes a game? Hmm… Maybe I did, can’t recall, might’ve been beer:30. I do think that all four freshman will get solid minutes and unlike many (Bill likes him) I think that Braun will also contribute. As far as Garrett, yeah I was harsh, but Grimes? No, I wasn’t. Best of luck to both you and Grimes.
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Sounds like Self and KU are going to try and help Grimes become eligible this year.
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Good for Q. Hope he gets to play. And as many transfers should play immediately as possible. Sitting out is a dumb rule.
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@approxinfinity Grimes waited out Dotson’s decision. Had Dotson stayed in the draft, Grimes would’ve stayed at KU and been the lead guard next season in his natural position. And AAC POY is his ceiling because he’s good enough to do that in that league by his senior year of he stays that long.
Interesting. I heard different from other people down in Texas but I trust that you are relaying what you know/have heard. Appreciate it.
Woodrow said:
Sounds like Self and KU are going to try and help Grimes become eligible this year.
Good. Makes sense too, the parting could be seen as mutually beneficial.
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@BShark Look at this way, had Dotson chosen to stay in the draft and Grimes not transferred, what would KU’s PG situation look like for next season?
There would have been 3 options to run the show.
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Grimes plays his natural position and looks a lot better on the offensive end as a distributor.
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Garrett plays his natural position (Every credible recruiting service had him listed as a PG) and he hurts defenses with his driving. Either they collapse on his drives and he finds the open man or they don’t collapse and he makes a lot of lay ups.
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Issac McBride runs the point. I think he’ll be good in a couple of seasons, but he isn’t ready for that job now as the starting PG Kansas.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree that Garrett is a PG.
I had just seen it mentioned a lot that Grimes was gone regardless. I think the timeline of events supports your theory/claim.
Regardless of what would have happened, next year’s team would be a lot worse without Dot, imo. Super glad he returned.
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If Grimes is eligible then everyone should be. Unless there is some undeniable circumstance this is just another classic move in this kids saga. Joining the Justin Fields and Tate Martell of the worlds who didnt get their way. I’ll pay for his pacifier while I’m at it
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@Woodrow As they should.
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Marco said:
@jayballer73 I’m not talking crap, just speaking facts. Grimes was not ready for primetime and I’m glad that he’s moving on. It wasn’t just Vick that was the cancer, it was Grimes too. I wish him the best, but am glad that he’ll be on another team.
lol - - you definition of a cancer is crazy - -A Cancer Grimes was a Cancer? - -very much mis worded term for Grimes. - A kid just doesn’t fit the billing as a OAD - -he has a bad season - just never living up to what the MEDIA - -THE FANS - -that got fed from the media - Quentin didn’t live up to what he was believed to be - - after some games he started pressing - -himself - lost confidence , but A CANCER? - WOW = - very sweet choice of words for a kid that is under a microscope . - -let’s see - -have YOU lived up to peoples expectations that they were looking from you? - -Are you a CANCER? - -have you ever come up short in someone else’s expectations of you? - -did they call you a Cancer? - -CANCER? - -REALLY? - -Quentin Grimes does not fill the meaning of a Cancer on this team thanks
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@jayballer73 Stop being childish, it’s not any better than what others are doing.
hold up slick - who you talking to again? - sure the hell ain’t me - -you got me messed up for somebody else. - -I’m gonna say what I have to say and I’m gonna say how I want to say it - - .seems like I have read many of your childish remarks - -but don’t be coming at me like that anytime or anywhere pander ok ? - -Ok
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@jayballer73 What you did to @HighEliteMajor repeating my quotes was childish. I said I have no issues calling that stuff out. I don’t care if you agreed with my opinion or not, you counting how many times someone says or does something is childish.
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@jayballer73 He’s talking to you jayballer. We’re all talking to you. You know damn good and well that you advocated for Grimes to transfer with the hope that we’d be able to sign Apollo Jackson.
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jayballer73 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@jayballer73 Stop being childish
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Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@jayballer73 Stop being childish
Let’s all chill out. This is an opinion site…
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So does anyone know when Qs mom joined the board?
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@dylans Lol…
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Texas Hawk 10 said:
@jayballer73 What you did to @HighEliteMajor repeating my quotes was childish. I said I have no issues calling that stuff out. I don’t care if you agreed with my opinion or not, you counting how many times someone says or does something is childish.
move on - move along nothing to say to you
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Marco said:
@jayballer73 He’s talking to you jayballer. We’re all talking to you. You know damn good and well that you advocated for Grimes to transfer with the hope that we’d be able to sign Apollo Jackson.
you got me F - - - - - for somebody else pander - -you pulled this Apollo Jackson out your ass - -have no idea who in the hell this Apollo Jackson is - -if there is - -I just figured it was another name you pulled out your ass like so many other statements you make - -move along boy move along
