Preseason Hype/Discussion
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Agree with others, Lon just isn’t a consistent recruiter. OU is a machine in football because they recruit Top 10 classes. Imagine Lon doing the same or any program in the Big-12 doing this outside of KU.
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Grimes is one I think can end up 1st team by season’s end. If he’s the leading scorer on this team or the top guard option that looks favorable. For some reason it looks like he might go a bit underrated until we see how big his role is on a stacked team
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@BeddieKU23 I think he ends up being the 2nd leading scorer and a general stat sheet stuffer. That should be good enough for first team if it happens.
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I think he ends up being the 2nd leading scorer and a general stat sheet stuffer. That should be good enough for first team if it happens.
That’s my expectation as well. This KU team is good enough to have 5 starters in double figures but the minutes figure to limit that to probably 4. I would expect:
Dedric-18 pts, Grimes- 13, Vick - 12, Azubuike- 11.
After that Dotson- 8, Garrett- 6, De Sousa- 5, Moore/Lawson 4 & 4 I figure in that order. So many mouths to feed…
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BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
That’s my expectation as well. This KU team is good enough to have 5 starters in double figures but the minutes figure to limit that to probably 4. I would expect:
Dedric-18 pts, Grimes- 13, Vick - 12, Azubuike- 11.
After that Dotson- 8, Garrett- 6, De Sousa- 5, Moore/Lawson 4 & 4 I figure in that order. So many mouths to feed…
I think you’re probably underselling KJ Lawson and Charlie Moore a bit there. I think Azubuike probably scores a bit less, but more efficiently (8 or 9 ppg, but 80% or better from the field). I think both KJ and Moore average 6 or 7, probably at the expense of a non-scorer like Garrett. Dedric probably only scores 16 or so a game because there are so many options.
This team will score 80+ a night, but it will be fairly spread out, as you outlined. Dedric will be in double figures every night, but after that, a revolving cast of characters will have big games. Grimes will have a couple of games where he goes off for 25-30 (I wouldn’t be surprised if Grimes has the highest scoring game of the season). Dotson will have a 20 point game or two. Moore will go for 15-20 a time or two. De Sousa will have some nights where he gets some offensive put backs that push him to 12 or 14. Vick will have a game where he hits 4 or 5 threes to get him near or over 20. Heck, Dedric has a 30 point night in him, too. Azubuike will have a game where he dunks a team to death and goes for 20.
This KU team has six guys that can go for 20 on a given night, and probably eight that can go for 15. That’s going to put a lot of pressure on defenses.
Like you said, so many mouths to feed… but I think everybody will get their chances to eat.
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These were mine that I posted in another thread. I think the overall average might be a bit high though…
Dedric 17
Grimes 12
Doke 10
Vick 9
KJ 9
Dotson 7
Silvio 7
Moore 6
Garrett 5
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@BShark I hope Doke is more of a force than 10 points a game. His size alone should be good for 4-5 easy dunks a game. Maybe another 4-6 points off of baby hooks and (gulp) free throws. I would love to see his average around 14 and 10.
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@BeddieKU23 I agree pretty much with what you have predicted , like you say a lot of mouths - -however I think Silvio might be a little more productively ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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justanotherfan said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
That’s my expectation as well. This KU team is good enough to have 5 starters in double figures but the minutes figure to limit that to probably 4. I would expect:
Dedric-18 pts, Grimes- 13, Vick - 12, Azubuike- 11.
After that Dotson- 8, Garrett- 6, De Sousa- 5, Moore/Lawson 4 & 4 I figure in that order. So many mouths to feed…
I think you’re probably underselling KJ Lawson and Charlie Moore a bit there. I think Azubuike probably scores a bit less, but more efficiently (8 or 9 ppg, but 80% or better from the field). I think both KJ and Moore average 6 or 7, probably at the expense of a non-scorer like Garrett. Dedric probably only scores 16 or so a game because there are so many options.
This team will score 80+ a night, but it will be fairly spread out, as you outlined. Dedric will be in double figures every night, but after that, a revolving cast of characters will have big games. Grimes will have a couple of games where he goes off for 25-30 (I wouldn’t be surprised if Grimes has the highest scoring game of the season). Dotson will have a 20 point game or two. Moore will go for 15-20 a time or two. De Sousa will have some nights where he gets some offensive put backs that push him to 12 or 14. Vick will have a game where he hits 4 or 5 threes to get him near or over 20. Heck, Dedric has a 30 point night in him, too. Azubuike will have a game where he dunks a team to death and goes for 20.
This KU team has six guys that can go for 20 on a given night, and probably eight that can go for 15. That’s going to put a lot of pressure on defenses.
Like you said, so many mouths to feed… but I think everybody will get their chances to eat.
I’ve gone back and forth on the scoring projections. I’m confident in the top 4 more or less but you could be right about KJ/Charlie, we just don’t know how the minutes are going to shake out which is why I went low. This team shouldn’t have any trouble scoring 80 a game once this team forms an identity and Self figures out who’s in the rotation and how all the pieces fit.
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All 5 of our starters will average double figures, and two reserves will avg double figures as well.
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jayballer73 said:
@BeddieKU23 I agree pretty much with what you have predicted , like you say a lot of mouths - -however I think Silvio might be a little more productively ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I lowballed Silvio until we know for sure he’s playing and if he’s the only primary big sub for Dedric and Doke. I hope we can get him 12-15 minutes a night consistently because he’ll produce
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@joeloveshawks I get where you are coming from on it but it’s already 45 points a night from the front court, counting KJ as a front court player. Even on Self’s deepest front court teams like the JR Morris Twins team or the Cole and SO Morris twins team the front court scoring has only been in the high 30s.
For Doke to average 4 more points they have to come away from someone else. I think with more depth and post options Udoka could be better overall but still score less than last year.
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KUSTEVE said:
All 5 of our starters will average double figures, and two reserves will avg double figures as well.
Lol, calm down. This won’t happen. Even 08 only had 4 guys in double figures.
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@BShark I will NOT calm down…you can’t make me…lol. 7 double figure scorers…we’ll average more than the Warriors…lmao…
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BeddieKU23 said:
jayballer73 said:
@BeddieKU23 I agree pretty much with what you have predicted , like you say a lot of mouths - -however I think Silvio might be a little more productively ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I lowballed Silvio until we know for sure he’s playing and if he’s the only primary big sub for Dedric and Doke. I hope we can get him 12-15 minutes a night consistently because he’ll produce
I’m expecting 20 minutes a night from Silvio. He KU gets the shaft and he can’t play that changes my projections big time.
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KUSTEVE said:
@BShark I will NOT calm down…you can’t make me…lol. 7 double figure scorers…we’ll average more than the Warriors…lmao…
You better calm down - -you want me to get Granny? lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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How about this? The team struggles from 3 in the pre-conference…Braun announces he is accelerating his senior year, and comes on in January, and hits the game winning shot to win the national championship. since we’re willfully speculating…
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@jayballer73 hehehehehe…this is fun. The best speculation on the board was where they were arguing about whether Braun would grow some more…that is just epic, classic rockchalk speculation…lmao. It was just too funny…
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You guys sure seem sold on Dedric. I’m not ready to predict him as b12 player of the year before seeing him play at least one game.
If he really is as dominant as Lafrentz, Gooden, Collison, Simien, Marcus and TRob I’ll be very pleasantly surprised.
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@DanR SOLD!
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DanR said:
You guys sure seem sold on Dedric. I’m not ready to predict him as b12 player of the year before seeing him play at least one game.
If he really is as dominant as Lafrentz, Gooden, Collison, Simien, Marcus and TRob I’ll be very pleasantly surprised.
Hopefully he does live up to the billing because the plan is 100% to run the offense through him. Showcase type of talent and basketball ability.
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BShark said:
For Doke to average 4 more points they have to come away from someone else. I think with more depth and post options Udoka could be better overall but still score less than last year.
Doke unleashed could add 4 more points just by getting a couple offensive rebounds!
I’m looking forward to the Doke-Konate matchups this year.
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Correction. I’m looking forward to everything about this season!
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Dedric averaged 19-10 without much of a supporting cast at Memphis. He commands double teams. He can shoot and handle. In a lot of respects, he’s a bigger, meaner, stronger version of Perry Ellis. And Dedric has the benefit of playing with a lot of talent now. He has never had a big man like Doke. He’s never played with a guard as good as Grimes. He’s never had PGs like Moore and Dotson. Dedric should be DOMINANT this season from day one.
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Dedric is the kind of player that warps the court and most opposing teams will have no good answer for defensively. He will score himself and create offense for everybody else because he is such a threat on offense.
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@justanotherfan Interesting comparison. i think Dedric is a better passer, and has better handles, but I think Perry is better shooter, at least so far. I was trying to rack my brain to come up with a comparison, and Dedric is a composite of several players, from some Manning to Perry, a bigger, slower version of JJ, to Oubre’s perimeter jumper. Good stuff…got me to contemplating…
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Y’all are gonna like Big Dave.
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@KUSTEVE Yeah Dedric is a special talent. Really understands the game too, great natural feel, a basketball lifer.
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BShark said:
Y’all are gonna like Big Dave.
That pass from Dotson to Big Dave towards the end of that clip is something we will see a lot. Grimes out on the wing keeping his defender honest. Two defenders converging on a slashing Dotson. Dedric keeping his defender honest on the other side of the paint, and an unguarded McCormack getting an easy lay-in as a result.
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@DanR I’m looking forward to Doke/Konate matchups too. I’m hoping Doke doesn’t get a technical called on him for standing this time in Morgantown. We know Konate won’t get called for a technical despite flexing and trash-talking every time he does anything. I’m still mad about that if you can’t tell.
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I can see games where Doke goes off for 20+ easy depending on whom he matches up. At the % clip Doke scores , a 3 point shooter would have to shoot 50% to match the efficiency.
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Doke’s one achilles heel is that he doesn’t shoot well from the line. If you can foul him before he scores, his efficiency plummets to near unplayable levels. Granted, you can’t do that every trip, but that’s also why I think KU closes games with Doke on the bench and either Big Dave or De Sousa manning the middle.
Doke can start and play early, but in the late part of games, where teams are more willing to take fouls, he will probably find himself on the bench.
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We will have to see how much progress he made over the Summer. FTs and rebounding are what kept him from being drafted so I will guess he has worked hard on both.
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BShark said:
Y’all are gonna like Big Dave.
Dave is a big boy - -love his size - - and really like how he hits the boards. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Here is an interview with Garret at Boot Camp; apparently Vick Hs developed some leadership skills and has been more vocal. Nice to see it from the lone senior.
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D DOTTTTTTTT
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@BShark I knew there was a reason I was on devon’s wagon early in the recruiting of him - You remember I was right there wanting this boy. Did you see that cross over at about the 0:24-25 in to the video? T hat stop and pop. - - The kid is relentless. - -attack – -attack - -attack. - -there is to a degree now pay attention I say to a certain degree he attacks the rim just Like Frank - -no fear. did you say fast? - -this kid is fast - -real fast. sweet dish’s . I just don’t see how you keep him out of the starting line up for very long - -very long at all. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Best PG in the 2018 class.
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@jayballer73 He does things that Frank wasn’t doing as a senior. His defense is light years ahead of freshman Frank, and his step back is an ankle breaker. If he can shoot half way well from 3, with the way he drives the ball, he could be a nearly instant star.
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One of the things I’ve learned about recruits who end up exceeding expectations, is that they have the ability to use their opposite hand. For a guy Dotson’s size, it is even more important than most. Having a strong left will help him to finish in the lane and be able to shield off defenders.
Dotson has a fantastic left hand.
He is going to be good. Real real good.
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#17 RANKED PLAYER IN THE COUNTRY (CLASS OF 2018) STAR RANKING: 5 STARS
HEIGHT: 6’2”
WEIGHT: 175 POUNDS
POSITION: POINT GUARD
HIGH SCHOOL: PROVIDENCE DAY SCHOOL IN NORTH CAROLINA
CHOSE KANSAS OVER: ARIZONA, FLORIDA, MARYLAND, AMONG MANY OTHERS
SCOUTING REPORT Frank Mason. Devonte Graham. Devon Dotson. Kansas head coach Bill Self has done a great job recruiting the point guard position during the last decade. With Graham being a senior, it looks like Dotson is next in line of great Kansas lead guards. The North Carolina prep star has the make-up to become just as good, if not better than the 2 other names before his.
Devon Dotson jumps out on tape while evaluating him. Speed is the name of his game. The 6’2″ PG is one of the fastest players with the ball in his hands in the entire high school class of 2018. He explodes when attacking the rim. He thrives at getting into the lane and finishing or dishing. The top 20 prospect displays elite first step quickness and is virtually unarguable one on one at the prep level.
He can score from all 3 levels on the court. Dotson has pretty shooting fundamentals with a quick release. He already shows a consistent 3-point shot, which will make him that much more dangerous when in attack mode. Opposing defenders will have to play his ability to drive, which will lead to him using his sweet shooting stroke. And vice versa.
Dotson is a high level ball distributor who seems to always make the correct pass. The 5-star prospect displays court vision beyond his years. He sees plays happening a few steps before they occur. What makes the point guard so intriguing as a player is the fact he is dominant on both ends of the court.
Dotson is a defensive menace and plays bigger than his size. He can lock up opposing point guards and has been a steal machine during his high school career. Once he gets stronger and adds weight, we don’t have any worries about him defending at the division 1 level. He can totally disrupt an opponents offensive rhythm with the way he competes at the defensive end.
Like Mason and Graham, the future Jayhawk is a winning type of player. We really like the composure that he plays with and has the look of a future captain. He has intangibles that you can’t teach. We believe he will be handed the keys to the Kansas basketball program next season. Devon Dotson has that “IT” factor that can’t be taught. Look for him to have an immediate impact for the Jayhawks and be in the running for All Big-12 honors as a freshman. We are very high on his abilities.
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I do think the Charlie/Dotson combo is going to be great. All that will be asked of them is to pressure the hell out of the ball. I can already see our plethora of 6’5 wings denying the passing lanes, knowing that if they get beat backdoor the shot will have to be over a combo of Doke/Dedric/Mitch/Big Dave/Silvio. All of whom are capable shot blockers.
Fwiw, the 2008 team had 9 SPG and 5.8 BLK. That was 2nd and 5th in the country. I think this team should put up similar numbers. Probably more blocks and less steals. But still, dominating stats.
- Moore: .9 STL - 0 BLK
- Dotson: 1.3 STL - 0 BLK
- Grimes: .9 STL - .7 BLK
- Garrett: .9 STL - .2 BLK
- Vick: 1 STL - .3 BLK
- KJ: 1 STL - .7 BLK
- Dedric: 1 STL - 2 BLK
- De Sousa: - .1 STL - .5 BLK
- Doke: .5 STL - 2.5 BLK
- Mitch: .2 STL - 1 BLK
- Big Dave: .1 STL - .5 BLK
That is roughly 7.9 STL and 8.4 BLK per game. The above is based on numbers last year with some educated guesses based on previous BS players of similar statures at the same position. So while these numbers do seem high, I find think we will see them being a pretty realistic guess. We are just that friggen talented.
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KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 He does things that Frank wasn’t doing as a senior. His defense is light years ahead of freshman Frank, and his step back is an ankle breaker. If he can shoot half way well from 3, with the way he drives the ball, he could be a nearly instant star.
he is working on that shot. - -From what I’ve still a little inconsistent , but I’m not worried really - -the kid is a stud, You see how he kind of cradles the ball some on the drive? - looks like good form on the shot. Plus this kid is fast and man does he like to get out and drive the ball to the hole - not afraid of contact at the rim , great court vison - -that’s my boy lol - -I think like I said it’s going to be really hard to keep him out of that starting role. Thing is though like has been said before , doesn’t matter who really starts - - it’s who is on the floor at crunch time - -that critical part of a game. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@KUSTEVE - He has a sweet stop and pop – BAM and like I said this kid loves the open floor. Like the breakdown on him said he is as fast as I’ve seen in a bit and makes pretty dam good decisions with the ball in his hands. I’ve seen some hi-lites where there have been some pass’s like I was like OH NO HE DIDN’T lol the kid can flat out ball. - - - you put him on the floor with Grimes give them a little College game experience and for me - -I think very , very good possibility of look the f - - - out lol.- - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@KUSTEVE He has more talent than Frank for sure. But Frank had (and still has) an iron will and very strong work ethic. Frank willed himself to being a npoy and into the nba. That said, I’m high on Dotson too and hope he starts.
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Mason also morphed himself from a 32.7% 3-point shooter his freshman season into a 47.1% 3-point shooter his senior season. It would be nice if Dotson could follow suit, though he will almost certainly not have the same amount of time to do it as Mason did.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich Frank is an alpha competitor, and that strong will got him a NPOY award, and a spot in the NBA. Dotson looks like he’s cut from the same cloth.
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KUSTEVE said:
@KirkIsMyHinrich Frank is an alpha competitor, and that strong will got him a NPOY award, and a spot in the NBA. Dotson looks like he’s cut from the same cloth.
your right. - All I can say is this ( just sit back and watch ) your not gonna be disappointed. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I need to see more than that highlight reel against junior high kids.
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Plus he possibly carried the ball or travelled on at least 127 of those blow-bys.
