Modern Basketball vs Bill Self
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Doke staying would solve a lot of issues for next year as well. I’d be down for it.
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The only value in NBA for guys like Doke with no outside offensive game is rim protection. Thing is, Doke isn’t quick enough off his feet for that at the NBA level.
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Wish I could have read the rest of that article.
I look at the big 4s and 5s becoming extinct if they can’t make big offensive plays outside of the paint. Big plays include nailing the trey, but also mastering high ball screens and becoming excellent passers.
When big guys can make big plays outside of the paint they force the big defenders out of the paint. That is crucial to open up the rim, and also make it easier to nab offensive boards.
Big guys are crucial for defending the rim and rebounding.
I’m defending the big guys in this post, but everyone in here knows me as the “x-axis guy” who would take on any team if I had 5 guards that could really play all aspects of the game, including boxing out.
Where I see the game changing is now coaches see they can win big or small, and the key is to put their best players on the floor, regardless of their size.
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@justanotherfan 100% agree, Doke is a solid college player no doubt but he is almost completely ineffective more than 5 feet away from the bucket. He also isn’t a great rebounder or shot blocker like Aldrich, Withey and some of the other bigs we have had.
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Good lord, tonight speaks volume. Same old Billy.
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Pounding into the paint when you have elite guards is bland.
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Can KU afford to play Doke and Dedric at the same time? I would argue not in 90% of games. Self will do it though, to the detriment of this team.
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He did go small, 4-1
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Keep doke out of foul trouble
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
He did go small, 4-1
Yes. Just in time. I just wonder about it going forward. I think Doke + Dedric is a nightmare for KU defensively because of their lack of speed.
Something to keep an eye on. Dedric and Doke both expect minutes of course. Dedric needs to be waaaay better than tonight.
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Can’t think dedric is gonna always be this bad
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
Can’t think dedric is gonna always be this bad
He will have better defensive nights but he will always be this slow. It’s a big issue defensively.
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Beyond the defensive and speed issues, I think the biggest problem for Dedric tonight was trying to force things. If he plays within the flow of the offense he will be fine on that end.
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@BShark 100% agree, now its early but so far small ball looks way better than 2 bigs. Dedric just hasnt been good but let’s give him a few more games as well.
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Lawson 5-24 from the floor the first two games. An icey 20.8%.
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@kjayhawks It’s the style Doke is used to. He thrives in it. I get that we have a lot of bigs but man, I’d consider mostly rotating Dedric and Doke at the 5. Maybe play with Dedric and Doke 5-10 minutes a game. Run out Garrett/Mitch/KJ at the 4.
Trying not to overreact to two games but KU has been abused defensively.
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@BShark we got a tough schedule we’ll get it worked out!
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@BShark at this point that’s the best option. Things can change for sure but if Dedric cant score, it’s hard for me to think he needs to do anything but give doke breathers. Grimes, Dotson, Vick, Moore, KJ and Mitch can run a good 4 guard line up with Doke or Dedric on the block. I bet Self and staff have a conversation about this tonight.
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark we got a tough schedule we’ll get it worked out!
I don’t think you can work out how slow Doke and Dedric are. Maybe mask it a bit, but they aren’t getting faster.
Also Vermont is sub 100 on kenpom. They are okay. Better than struggling with Denver like KSU did.
Thank goodness Self took Vick back!
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark at this point that’s the best option. Things can change for sure but if Dedric cant score, it’s hard for me to think he needs to do anything but give doke breathers. Grimes, Dotson, Vick, Moore, KJ and Mitch can run a good 4 guard line up with Doke or Dedric on the block. I bet Self and staff have a conversation about this tonight.
Well, Dedric has to play, he’s too good not too. But he needs to play within the offense. He only took 6 shots tonight, but most were forced. The missed lay-up was a good take but super brutal to miss it.
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@BShark He’s gonna have to start dunking those. People always say a layup is an easy shot and I agree but at his size a dunk should be easier. I also felt like he got schooled by Lamb several times. This isn’t MSU struggling against mid major bigs spells big trouble for him. I’ll be honest at this point, I seen nothing that makes me think hes too good not to be out there. He maybe hoping SDS doesn’t get cleared if he has many more like today.
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@kjayhawks He didn’t have too many games like this at Memphis, even against more athletic competition. I think he will get it together.
Not excusing Dedric, but Lamb is a good one. Entire America East will be in the chamber lol. Going to box score watch Lamb this year.
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Interesting
Matt Galloway @themattgalloway 7m7 minutes ago
Self on Dedric Lawson’s scoreless performance in 19 minutes: He’s a good player, and this may be the best thing that’s ever happened to him if he responds favorably, which I think he will. #kubball
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@BShark true story, I dont want to harp on him too much. He is still used to playing in empty gyms against C-USA competition. I think Kenpom is high for having these guys rated as the worst on our schedule. I bet UL-L is a much bigger win Friday.
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark true story, I dont want to harp on him too much. He is still used to playing in empty gyms against C-USA competition. I think Kenpom is high for having these guys rated as the worst on our schedule. I bet UL-L is a much bigger win Friday.
Louisiana is rated below Vermont. South Dakota and EMich as well. But yeah, they might be better than people thought.
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@BShark interesting I could’ve swore Gurley said on pregame this currently was the worst rated team on our schedule per Kenpom.
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kjayhawks said:
@BShark interesting I could’ve swore Gurley said on pregame this currently was the worst rated team on our schedule per Kenpom.
Well, it is Gurley so there you go.
