Tharpe's Lesson: Own the Pace, Own the Game
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@Crimsonorblue22 Agreed… And I’m good with more floor burns
By the way-- for those with ESPN3, you can watch the replay of the game to see the first possession of the game that @drgnslayr mentioned. That’s an example of what I was talking about on #3. And there are several other times in the game when we wait for the opponent to set and don’t attempt to capitalize when we seem to have an advantage.
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@bskeet really feel like we can leave Ridley in the dust this next game, need to capitalize on that!
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I did a Google search and the great majority of references are in post in a couple of forums posted by fans (much like us) and you have to take those with a grain of salt. The first link you posted is exactly that, the second is a semi-generic comment by Jason King with no other information to back it up. The third link shows 3 outlet passes, all in the same game and two of them are very good but the third just about goes out of bounds.
Since the Towson game, he has not had many outlet passes that I can recall; in fact (and I could be wrong) I don’t recall any outlet passes during conference play. With a grand total of less than dozen outlet passes in his entire career, I think is premature to anoint hims as " one of the best outlet passers the game has ever had," don’t you think? Considering that players such as Love routinely have several per game.
I am not saying that he will not become a good or even a great outlet passer, but with KU’s current lack of emphasis on the fast break offense, and his current production record (outlet pass wise), all we can say is that he has great potential, wouldn’t you agree?
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)@drgnslayr I think Tharpe has made some great strides since the beginning of the year. His lapses cause me to pause just when I think he’s turning a corner to consistency, he commits bball freshman 101 mistakes. He’s a junior pg and not too sure where his head is at times, but he has to turn that corner really sharp and take total control. His passive play or his yielding attitude is really effecting this team. Tharpe is either really on or really off. It’s called inconsistency. We need him to be Doron Lamb-like this year. Heck, Lamb was a soph when he led uk to a NC. I know Tharpe is no Lamb, but they have very similar personalities on the court. I hate that comparison, but it’s the only one that came to mind, especially in terms of NC comparisons. I know Tharpe can play unconscious too. I’ve seen him play outside of AFH. For example, before he came to KU, he played at the Kemba Walker bball camp and some other venues only to school many of the other players and fans.
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“Tharpe is either really on or really off. It’s called inconsistency.”
You nailed it with just a few words… something I have a hard time doing! Tharpe needs some pre-game zen. Many of the greatest players of all times would do it before stepping on to the court.
There were games after Towson where Embiid really whipped out hard “Kevin Love-like” outlet passes. We discussed it in here, about his ability to outlet the ball.
The fact that he hasn’t done it in conference is a mystery for this entire team. It takes two to tango, and he can’t whip a pass out to someone who isn’t out there to get it.
It will be a pity if we don’t see it return while he is at KU, because that is a big time weapon gone wasted if he doesn’t use it.
You will see it in the league… promise. He’s every bit as capable of a pinpoint rifle half court (or more) pass, just like Kevin Love.
I found links on our site:
Self: “We went on a 47-11 run to end the half. We were down 5-2 and then got cranked up pretty good. The guys played with good energy. We were much better defensively, much more active blocking shots. It seems like we had hands everywhere. We didn’t get a lot of steals, but it seemed like we caused some havoc. I thought we really got out and ran better than we have, and Joel (Embiid) made some unbelievable outlet passes to get us going. A lot of guys played well. It was pretty consistently good for the most part, but the second half got pretty sloppy.” That was after Towson.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I just posted some keys and one was to run Ridley in the ground. Need to pull him and force a switch, then let Ellis or Wiggins take him 1x1 to the hoop. He’ll get into foul trouble for playing D with his hands…attack, attack, and attack that big sack of potatoes. If we let him stand in the lane, he’s going to clog, push, hack, and pretty much manhandle as he did in the first game. We need to push him up and down the court. He’ll need oxygen before it’s all over. It will render him useless. Embiid needs to pull him out of the lane. He can’t post and go toe-toe with him. It didn’t work last game. Embiid’s first step will leave Ridley frozen. Embiid needs about 6’…bring him up to the free-throw line. Rickey boy will pack the lane and dare KU to beat them from outside. Our perimeter hasn’t been too threatening as of late. Hopefully we’ll spread the floor.
I can’t find my new post, but I also said KU will need to box, box, and box out on every single shot. We can’t give UT second chances. We need to get selfish on the boards. We’ve got to convert on TOs too.
My last key would be for the 6th man, the Phog, Jayhawk Nation to ROCK THE HOUSE. Rope those horns and move them out. It’s time to brand a great big KU on Bevo. I want to see that lost, dazed, confused look on Rickey’s face after it’s said and done. It’s that look of “WTH just happened.”
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@truehawk93 couple of pts, would love to set pace right off the bat, might even play Tarik pretty quick, if they’re in zone. The way Ridley threw Embiid down last time still makes my blood boil! I think Tarik was just coming back from ankle sprain, not 100%. If we can get the ball out and run, Embiid would have a field day! Did they zone us last time? Last, we got to slow their pt down!
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Tarik played only 6 minutes had 2 points, no rebounds and no fouls, which is amazing considering that he normally gets one at the scorer’s table when he checks in…:)
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@JayHawkFanToo I just want him on Ridley for awhile!
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Yes, have Black, Lucas and even Wesley all over him and either “rough” him up a little or draw fouls. If you get 2 or 3 quick fouls on him, he is essentially out of the game.
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The best move on Ridley is to attack his weakness… his weight. His weight limits his floor speed and endurance. If 5 Jayhawks run the floor on a defensive rebound we’ll force Barnes to bench Ridley… especially if we attack the rim immediately on our end, before Ridley can set in the post. Or he may take himself out of the game by fouling out! Embiid is great running the floor, and tomorrow he needs to run the floor and they need to pound the ball into him before Ridley can get set.
Hey… I just found this tidbit from one of Jesse’s articles about the TT game. It supports our thread on how pace hurt us in Lubbock:
"Stat of the Day
Texas Tech completely dictated the pace of play. According to StatSheet.com, KU had just 53 possessions, which was its lowest total in a game during Self’s 375 games with the Jayhawks. The 53 possessions also were the least by any Big 12 team in any game this season. To give some context, KU hadn’t had a game below 63 possessions all season until Tuesday."
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@truehawk93 Exactly. Like he was after the Cyclones beat down. Watching him on the news the last couple of nights here in Austin has been rather sickening, listening to all the excuses he has about losing. NONE of the local sports talking heads have picked UT to win tomorrow, especially after they were beaten by ISU. Oh it may be close, they say, but they said we will pull away late in the 2nd half and never look back. Plus they have talked about the “magic” of AFH and that it is THE loudest in the country. One even said Hilton Magic was NOTHING compared to AFH.
Rock Chalk!!!
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@drgnslayr That slow TT melt down of the shock clock killed me and then bailed them out with 2-3 sec left by fouling or allowing them to get a made shot off. The on-ball D needs improved NOW.
Anyone know which coach planned the scouting report? Self or Townsend?
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@RockChalkinTexas We may have bailed Rickey boy out by beating us. They’ve probably got something in his contract for beating KU. Beat KU once, keep your job. Beat KU twice, get a bonus. Beat KU and win the B12, we might sign you for the remainder of your coaching career.
There is a coach in the B12 where the AD actually placed a clause in the contract to provide the coach with incentive to beat KU: either Weber or Huggie Bear.
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Today’s OSU beatdown of TTech illustrates this entire thread. OSU kept pushing the ball, and kept pressure on defense, and they blew out TTech with ease. The parts of the game I watched showed TTech was sped up and shot most of their shots within the first 15 seconds of the shot clock. When you are down by 20, stalling out the game doesn’t benefit you…
We have another shot at TTech, this time at AFH. I bet we push the ball more and blow them out!
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@drgnslayr First, pretty much the best thread yet. Wish I was able to participate more. I can’t believe I let work actually interfere with posting.
But terrific point. I wanted that game as well and this was my exact thought. OSU controlled that game.
I would honestly assess that it was 50% offense (pushing the ball and pace), and 50% defense (with pressure? Your thoughts there?
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@drgnslayr Have to agree 100% with HEM above. Best thread analysis of guard play yet. Past 2 games vs UT & OU are prime time examples of how guard play sets & maintains the tone for the entire game. Nadir & Frank have been, IMO, exemplary in these contests even though Na endured poor shooting vs the Horns. He’s was 2-19 in 2 consecutive games, but broke out of the funk in the clincher vs OU. His D stepped up from my take & maintaining this level of consistency is paramount. When they can get in the lane like this, we’ve no shortage of scorers or rebounders to take up the slack. Like I posted before on a diff thread, I really hope this is a genuine metamorphosis & not an apparition.
“Stay Thirsty!”
Rock Chalk, Ten Straight!
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@globaljaybird
Bazzzongo! (kind of like “PHOFF!”)
Tharpe did an outstanding job in both games! He just needs to keep the pace moving, without getting them too sped up. There is a happy speed where these guys run best. This seems to be the #1 determinant for how these guys play.
Maybe Self can send him secret pace tweak code from the bench… it works for baseball… why not basketball?
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@drgnslayr Yeah, & if that fails, an oily two-by-four that won’t bend, splinter, or break just might do the trick. Some guys have posted that maybe he was trying to play within his limitations, & that very well may have been & the case, but the genies’ out of the bottle now, & he ain’t goin’ back in. His team mates shouldn’t allow it they way they’ve affirmatively responded to the pace, & henceforth ratcheted up the D. As long as he can push the FF button like he has the past 2 games, I’m alright with his mistakes, understanding full well though, Bill has his limits. IMO the upside is the best chance we have to run into April. Reminds me of what Dad used to say-“Do something damnit, even if it’s wrong.” Once he said that it better be a**holes & elbows for the rest of the job.
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@globaljaybird Lol - I like your dad’s sayings. Maybe you should start a new thread that we could all contribute our dad’s favorite sayings.
One I remember hearing a lot is :Why don’t you use that head for something besides growing hair ?
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I repeated a few of my dad’s sayings at his service -fathers have a ton of great advice-some with humor right? How about “Hurry every time you think about it.” He also told me in the 70’s. " Nobody will conquer the US, it will be destroyed from within." Not to get into a political, but I never thought I’d see what has come of the country I grew up in and it makes me feel bad for the next generation and beyond. So, another good one was " the older my father got, the smarter he was."
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@globaljaybird
It’s just amazing how one feeds the other. As long as we keep the pace right, the d seems to play harder, and when the defense plays harder, the pace stays up.
Brilliant idea! I remember when my dad wanted to slam someone’s intelligence he would say, “move their plate 6 inches and they’ll starve to death!” His upbringing included hunger and poverty, which he quickly worked his way out of… so I guess it had the most meaning for him. Luckily, he provided his family with enough…
Totally agree… somehow my father got smarter as I became an adult. Funny how that works!
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When we are young we THINK father knows everything.
As we get into our teens we BELIEVE father doesn’t know anything.
As we get older and have kids of our own, we KNOW father did know everything after all.
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@JayHawkFanToo VERY TRUE
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@JayhawkRock78 -I like that one. We never went hungry & we weren’t dirt floor poor, but the house we lived in was so small you had to go outside to change your mind.
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@drgnslayr-Every great Self team in transition seems to feed off their defense. And offensively playing inside out I’ve actually witnessed some true hi lo lately, with the 3 guards hitting open outside shots. Like Self says, “You gotta make shots,” but I’ve just been salivating for play like this all season. Let’s hope they’re going to peak at the precise moment again & we can keep all these guys injury free for about another 6 weeks.
It’s a marathon, not a sprint.
