An Appetite For Discussion And Ginger Lime Duck
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@BigBad Udoka would have made a huge impact. We have been killed with injuries at inappropriate times. I am so glad I got to watch FM for all four years. He just couldn’t do it by himself.
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@HawkChamp Yeah youre so effin smart you told us all so…Shoulda listened to you all along. Youre almost a genius …but not quite.
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@Blown Hey, we made our FTs.
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@KUSTEVE oh good. Another guy with a reading disability. Come over anytime. I’m happy to help with that if needed. As a fellow fan. Nothing but love for all my KU brethren
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I’m just disappointed to lose in our own back yard. To be honest they wanted more than we did. They beat us in every single stat line some with ease. Bill Self never got this team to come out ready to play really all year. We lived bye the 3 all year and we definitely died bye it. Sad to see Frank go, even sadder his teammates didn’t care enough to hustle in the first have.
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@jaybate-1.0 called this. Send em jacked game 1 and end up flat game 2. We’ve seen a lot of Jayhawk teams lose on cold shooting nights.
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@cragarhawk said:
@KUSTEVE oh good. Another guy with a reading disability. Come over anytime. I’m happy to help with that if needed. As a fellow fan. Nothing but love for all my KU brethren
Yep you keep predicting KU losses
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@approxinfinity Ya I think your right - - - your not going to win very many games shooting 5-25 fro 3pt range, pretty disappointing. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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DG airballing that shot right in front of the basket represents KU’s mindset the whole game.
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@RockChalkinTexas I was thinking about Udoka too, when their classless painteater was having his way with us inside.
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Heartbreaking loss. This stings to be sure. I just hope that Frank gets NPOY and that Josh gets picked in the top 3 of the draft.
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I bet if you asked the players, they would take sole responsibility for the loss, and the last person they would blame is Self.
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Frank and Graham shoot their avg we have 15 points.
Only really inexplicable thing I saw was the going inside to landen several times early. Made zero sense
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@BigBad said:
Having ZERO post presence was this teams undoing.
Self will never go 4 out 1 in again.
The key is to be able to go between those styles based on personnel and talent.
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FM still ridiculous though. Gonna suck without him next year. Hope he gets his due on the national honors
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@Eric-san Your right you only have one winner - - the other 63 teams end their season on a loss. - -The one I really feel sorry for is Frank -where would we of been with out him in the 1st half. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Clark Kellogg, screw you. “It’s very simple, the best team won”
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@HawkChamp said:
@betterfireE just like Nova. Bill needs to swallow some pride and learn what he needs to do differently. The fan base isn’t happy with sweet sixteens. Come on guys
Alright expert, please tell us what HCBS needs to learn. Maybe you can email him and give him your expert analysis of why he fails.
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I’m really more sad that I won’t get to watch FM and JJ, than losing in the E8 to be honest.
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Oh well. I give up on being angry. Just sad.
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Oregon played good defense on us. Thats why they won. We spent so much energy on defense in the second half without figuring out how to perform on the offensive front.
I miss having a shot-blocking big.
They look like a team that will win a championship.
Too much futzing around by KU. This loss wasn’t as bad as the VCU loss because aside from seeding, we weren’t THAT full of hubris.
That Jackson tip to the Oregon player at the end was when the game ended. Really wish Jackson had showed up tonight. The truth is he and Graham needed to be their absolute best tonight.
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@Bwag said:
@BigBad said:
Having ZERO post presence was this teams undoing.
Self will never go 4 out 1 in again.
The key is to be able to go between those styles based on personnel and talent.
And injuries!
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@kjayhawks but as much as anything, they hit shots.
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@brooksmd it all goes back to preparation during the season. As you recall, I said that this team is soft and did not have a defensive mentality like what we saw against Nova and Oregon. Dont recruit small guards but get bigger ones that have girth. I love Frank and Devonte, but it made it tougher. Mario Chalmers/Russell Robinson types.
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5-25 from 3 was a killer. Make at least 5 more of those, and you change momentum and possible outcome. Just not in the cards tonight, and OR played at their peak for about 35 minutes.
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Two huge swings - at the end of the first half and not snaring the defensive rebound with a minute and a half to go when we had a chance to cut it to 5 or 4 and they hit a 3 to push it back to 9.
But, what is it about us that we seem to have all too many games like this - where we can’t make anything??? Going back to the Ariz game in 97 and the Syracuse game, among many others. Where otherwise good players just come up completely empty - Ellis last year and DG this year???
Is it something in the water??? I’m at a loss…
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@approxinfinity You’ll feel better the next time your boy wins a game, your daughter brings home an “A”, or your wife winks & makes you smile. Tomorrow is just a new day in the off season. And we’re all still friends when it counts. Some never accept those things but that’s what makes it all worth while. ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!
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@betterfireE good commentary. However, can’t underestimate 2 fouls on JJ early
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@HawkChamp lol, you’re suggesting recruiting someone other than Frank, someone who is bigger. Please man, please.
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@HawkChamp said:
@brooksmd it all goes back to preparation during the season. As you recall, I said that this team is soft and did not have a defensive mentality like what we saw against Nova and Oregon. Dont recruit small guards but get bigger ones that have girth. I love Frank and Devonte, but it made it tougher. Mario Chalmers/Russell Robinson types.
Are you kidding me ??? Mason is the toughest guard we have ever had. KU lost this game because the shots didn’t fall. Plain and simple.
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What did everyone say when Udoka went down with the injury? That the E8 or F4 was their ceiling. Having him throughout the season would have been huge. Just perspective.
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This team went 31-5
They were good
Don’t kid yourselves
I fn HaTe waiting six months to watch Kansas come out of that northwest tunnel.
We are blessed to follow such a wonderful program
I love it so much that it hurts so bad.
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@BigBad Loss of Udoka hurt.
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This is the first time I ever remember not looking forward to next basketball season.
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For anyone that thinks this game was a Bill Self loss, you need to rethink it a bit.
This isn’t Stanford or Villanova.
This loss was about a terrific turnaround after half time on the defensive end, but our inability to execute offensively.
I was continually amazed at the quality of shots and looks we had in the second half. The game was right there for the taking.
There were many times over the years when the “failure to execute” was incorrectly blamed. This isn’t one of them.
Still Self’s best coaching job.
@BigBad is right. Our thin post presence was the undoing tonight. We had no real option there.
Lots of things went wrong tonight. One of them was not Bill Self. He was calm and cool. And his team came out fired up after half, and everything went right except the ball going in the hoop.
Again, this is much, much different than some of the NCAA tourney losses we’ve seen.
Great season.
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@approxinfinity Me too. - -now the depression phase will sit in for about a week. Then struggle through the summe r- fricken hate summer. - -I just don’t know who will be back I can’t even begin to guess. - -I know who needs to come back, doesn’t mean it will happen. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@HighEliteMajor yep.
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We get to watch DG and co in the summer in Italy!
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@HighEliteMajor great only ends in ship !
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@HighEliteMajor Whats your thought about not seeing Vick in lieu of DG at all in 2nd half? I was a little surprised we didn’t see more Vick personally. Maybe attitude assessment on the bench, DG seemed more composed? Needed the 2 PGs?
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@HighEliteMajor agree, but instead of waiting till after half to get them fired up when we have a deficit-why not have the guys ready at tip?
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@DoubleDD I know about Frank - please. We could have used more length against Oregon.
Defense is king in the tournament, IMO, which is part of a larger category of energy. Bell had it. Dorsey had it. Brooks had it. Couple that with their length and defensive mindset and they couldnt be stopped.
I want a long, defensive team like Syracuse in 2013 or Kentucky in 2014/2015.
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Well they go to Italy this summer, just really confused who will be going Devonte REALLY needs to come back – -I’m thinking SVI will come back, just not a good night. - - -ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY
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You guys complaining about not having doka know Oregon’s 7 footer was hurt a few weeks back right? On to next year thanks everyone for the fun discussing of things. Wish it ended better.
