Bragg charged with possession of drug paraphernalia
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Our court system doesn’t operate on assumptions. It doesn’t matter what I THINK in a court of law.
Conviction requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt… not just reasonable doubt. BEYOND!
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@wissox Would Screamin Yellow Zonkers be permissible? Just askin ??
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@Crimsonorblue22 There it is Crims,-S-OOOOOOOO inconsiderate of others & their relentless efforts & work to reach goals… I say what I said the other day. When the timing is better, show him the door from the locker room but don’t toss him out with the bathwater. He’s still a Jayhawk.
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Reality is, we most likely will need that key piece coming off the bench or replacing an injured starter; IF HE CAN GET HIS ACT TOGETHER, gain focus and move forward. If these knockdowns are doing nothing more than rolling off his shoulders, then SAYONARA. Bill Self and staff will be the judge. Bill has dealt with other hard heads, some of whom were ushered out the door or encouraged to leave. I gotta think that playing for this coach in this program amounts to gold coins from heaven. If a twenty year old player can’t reasonably handle the opportunity then the squad is better off without him. I kinda think that Carlton will be offered one last chance.
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@REHawk right, not fair to the team either way.
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@BeddieKU23 ya I read the article about this third encounter with the police - it was a assault charge that was filed but not followed through because the district attorney said they was afraid about being able to prove beyond a show of the doubt. - That was in Sept and separate woman from the one that slapped him - -just not good time for Bragg - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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I prefer to talk about the players that are currently active. We beat Duke an Kentucky in the same season. I am enjoying that fact.
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@drgnslayr I know that’s right in the end I don’t think it’s going to matter - -residue/no residue bottom line it was he is the one that got caught with it in his room right? you might to want to be just a hair more careful about things- -especially when your a member of a high profile major College Basketball team. -Very well could be it wasn’t his- but I think I might either want to take a little better survey of my place after friends are hanging out - OR choose better friends not have to worry I’m not trying to come across perfect by ANY MEANS I smoked pot - -I indulged in numereous illegal drugs coke, pot, pills, and it cost me - -cost me dearly - I made mistakes - -and I paid for those mistakes - -caused me my job with the State of Kansas for my stupidity, he is a young kid - young kids experiment just chances you take. - -I hope things turn out well for Carlton.- -If Coach chooses to keep him - -I’m all 1000000% for that - -I really like Bragg, but did noticed he right now IS MOT the Carlton Bragg that first walked onto this campus I just hope he can get things turned around whether it’s here or some place else - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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Yep. this figures. Shaking my damm head.
Carlton, if your gonna smoke pot, do it in between season k?
Guys, Carlton isnt the first player to get caught smoking weed, or have “paraphernalia” He probly wont be the last either. That said, it was a dummass move by Carlton right off his last run in with the Lawrence PD. Granted, he didnt do anything wrong that first time But still! Stupid move.
Kansas isnt likely to legalize marijuana anytime this century but I have to wonder, in Lawrence, do the cops go easy on everybody there with regard to that particular plant just because of the high profile presence of KU Basketball?
I mean, how many KU players in the last 25 years have been busted for having it? I know Brady Morningstar was a HUGE pot head. I wonder if the KU AD has had a talk with the Lawrence PD about unofficially decriminalizing small amounts of the plant or having pipes and junk?
Anywhere else in Kansas, its straight up jail time and a permanent charge on your record if Im not mistaken.
Of course, I havent lived in Kansas since '14…
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@wrwlumpy said:
This is a misdemeanor and in 8 other states, it wouldn’t even be that. The suspension by Self is because he broke team rules. Weed has many medicinal purposes, but strength and conditioning are not part of that. The 21st ranked Mcdonald All-American has not been playing up to his ranking. 6 points and 15 minutes a game has not helped his future. Self is tired of the headaches. Like Greene last year, if you’re not 100% with the program, it will show and you won’t play. We could use a big man desperately going into the post season. We all make mistakes, but if you are hurting the team, you won’t play. He should be intermittently drug tested. smh. Don’t throw it all away.
Thank you Lumpy! Thats what I was looking for.
Seriously people, we cant ahhh, burn the kid at the stake for allegedly having a bong with residue. Its not that big of a deal for Gosh darn darn!
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@Lulufulu you mean our AD?
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@Crimsonorblue22 YAH Him
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I picked up a couple boxes of deep fried twinkies from Walmart. I hope they are not considered paraphernalia, because they will have a similar effect as Carlton’s bong on me.
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@KUSTEVE said:
I picked up a couple boxes of deep fried twinkies from Walmart. I hope they are not considered paraphernalia, because they will have a similar effect as Carlton’s bong on me.
Hahaha
Comatose?
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@BeddieKU23 IF everything goes as planned…
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Wow… I wasn’t expecting the complete confession!
Hey, I’m no altar boy myself. I was just lucky enough to have a coach mentor me from junior high all the way to today!
I really like Carlton a lot. Obviously, he could use a mentor. When you have one you don’t want to screw up because your mentor is like the caring dad you never had, or an extra dad.
Without my mentor, I would have screwed up so bad my basketball uniform might have had stripes!
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This is not meant to be inflammatory, but notice how discussion of something that actually IS defined as illegal (using pot), also seems to bring out all sorts of rationalizations and counterarguments.
From someone’s post above, I like the phrase: “…anywhere else in KS this would be mandatory jail time and a permanent mark on your record…”. The law is the law. Now at the tail end of the process, where the buck stops (standing before the judge), if that judge wants to be lenient and give only probation to a 1st time offender, then so be it. But the enforcement of the Law cannot be rationalized away.
For example, it is most despicable the Detroit police dont even patrol some bombed out sections of that city. It should actually be the total opposite: they should be patrolling in Humvees and in full battle dress, take back the city, restore the rule of law. From a pure logic standpoint, how can this superpower allow pockets of anarchy to exist? It cannot. That is the seeds of how a society crumbles. It becomes much more ominous right here, right now, if we suggest that law enforcement is already too weak to go in and restore law and order. That would mean the un-ravelling of America has already begun.
Mr. Bragg, you didnt come to KU or KS to smoke F’n dope! To borrow a nice quote from Bill Self from April 5, 2008: “You came to Kansas to play in THIS game (against a blueblood in the Final4)”. Well, we just had such a game vs KY, and Carlton was not there.
Some would call it “funny” that someone posted above about pot’s “medicinal uses” (like Carlton is employing it for medicinal uses). Oh, but dont leave out the other scientifically proven fact that pot can hamper one’s drive and motivation. Maybe not for everybody (as about this moment someone recalls some successful professional that is a user and tell us about such examples). So my question back at such rhetoric would be this: does Bragg play like he’s got a Mason-like work ethic? Nope. Does Bragg even play like a McDAA? Nope. Where did his drive and motivation go? Up in smoke? (laughter).
We see NFL players get busted over and over, giving up 5-figure game-checks for each game missed. That’s like financial suicide in a sport where you could have a career-ending injury tomorrow. You could spin that its even more hazardous for Bragg, as he hasnt earned anything yet. Maybe he’s in the process of blowing his “shot” right now, right in front of us? “Suicide before financial birth”…is there such a concept? Because that’s what I’m seeing or dreading for Bragg’s sake…
Carlton Bragg was supposed to be bigger and better than Perry Ellis. But Ellis was definitely smarter than Bragg.
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Very well said!
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I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that he’s been high during some of the games this year. Dude’s just been out of it all year.
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Multiple pipes were found one with residue in it. It usually takes 6 moths to a year for the pipes to be tested by the KBI. If the court date is 2 months after the incident then he likely admitted guilt. This is the smart move if he hopes to play this year. If he waited on the pipe to be tested he would be suspended for much longer waiting on the results. Either way he could be dismissed from the team given. If this were the only drama around him I’d say no big deal, but it’s not. The two girlfriend incidents while not entirely his fault do paint him in a negative light and give him a strike, earned or not.
Also his lawyer suppressed the police documents from the assult charges as it would paint Carlton in a very negative light. (drug use again)
I’m willing to bet 50%+ of the basketball players under Self have smoked dope while playing for KU. We all know Mario and Arthur did. I know for a fact others did/do as well. The problem with this isn’t that pot is going to ruin their lives the problem is it is illegal in Kansas and everywhere federally.
Here’s hoping Bragg can figure out that delaying that gratification will lead to much better things on the court than he’ll ever find in the bottom of a bowl.
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@dylans He will get some guidance from Snacks. Hopefully this is a wake up call and he will turn things around soon. I cant see him getting any more free passes after this.
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Bragg’s court date has been changed to March 3rd. I doubt we see him in uniform before.
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@BeddieKU23 imo, he’s done for the year.
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@BeddieKU23 WOW, when did this come out? - - where did you find that at? - - - well ya he is done I think I just don’t see him coming back from this. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
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@jayballer54 I hope not. that would be unfortunate. Its a punishment that does not fit the crime. Coach Self is a man of high integrity, he will do what is right in this case. All we can do as fans is talk about it on here and wait to see what happens.
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The drug paraphernalia laws have always been questionable and are used as an “ace in the hole” by courts across America.
Do you know what qualifies as “paraphernalia?”
Basically, anything on earth that can be used with the illegal substance in anything from consumption to concealment.
So let’s pick something out of thin air… anything… how about a sock?
Those with a lot of drug experience or knowledge are already thinking they figured this one out. Socks are often used by “huffers”… they spray paint, or whatever their inhaling substance is, inside a sock, then roll it up and put it up to their mouths and suck it in. This use does fit the most-direct definition of paraphernalia.
But I’m thinking of a different case. I’m thinking of a guy who almost lost his rights to stay in America because he had a couple pills in his sock. For the reason of concealment, his sock was his paraphernalia, and he was charged in the State of Kansas.
Opinion analysis: Court rejects removal based on misdemeanor drug paraphernalia conviction
Paraphernalia charges have been exploited to help law enforcement commit outrageous acts overstepping their boundaries, including downright thievery by officers, departments and by the courts. In the larger landscape, paraphernalia laws expanded into property confiscations including boats, cars, houses, bank accounts and more.
Or how about a better known case. Tommy Chong (of “Cheech and Chong”) busted in 2003 through “Operation Pipe Dreams”… when Josh Ashcroft was our US AG. He received a 9-month prison sentence and a permanent felony record for trafficking paraphernalia across state borders. He recently asked Obama for a pardon. I don’t believe he got it, but not sure. Everyone in here should read this link on how filthy the feds acted in driving for this prosecution:
If you look at how and where paraphernalia laws have gone, you might look at this situation with Carlton a bit different.
I barely breached the topic.
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I would suggest not releasing him from the team until after the season, if that is Bill’s final decision. Think of the media piling on and ca-ca storm they will create on top of what has already transpired if he does it now. Leave him on suspension until after we win the NC and quietly let him go during some other news cycle. He no longer deserves to be the focus of attention. Let’s get back to hoops.
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I do believe Self is waiting until seasons end. He did the same thing with Greene. It gives both parties clarity and the chance to reflect on the situation. It would be a shock if he was back next year.
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So what are the consequences for smoking weed? Three games, six games, 1/2 year, kicked off team? How about for drinking under age? Breaking curfew? Wearing white after Labor Day?
The kid made a mistake. He needs to be given a chance to fix his mistake, if he can’t then he must be dismissed. To cut bait now would be doing Carlton a great disservice. If you believe that he has a drug problem then he needs help, not the cold shoulder. If you don’t believe he has a drug problem, then what’s all the fuss?
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@BeddieKU23 you forgot bg’s back problems during the NCAA tourney, ask @HawkInMizery
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Personally i don’t have a problem with weed, it has many therapeutic uses. That being said it’s illegal. It’s a dumb move to get caught with it when it’s so very easy not to. Keep your stash/smoking devices out of plain view. Simple as that. Keep your dorm room clean and smelling good and those cops would have been none the wiser. If you leave your skull pipe out and it clearly has residue in it you’re going to get busted. I’m pretty sure most of those guys smoke weed which is fine, just be smart. Don’t smoke in public and don’t leave your stuff out and you’re probably going to be fine. I could argue this point all day. I know people will disagree but weed isn’t really a big deal at all. It’s far less harmful than cigarettes or alcohol and we all know college students engage in underage drinking.
