HEY GUYS
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I have no doubt that the team was disappointed by the seeding but it was based on RPI and SOS; Texas was #2 and KU was #6.
"There’s more that goes into it, though. KU coach Ray Bechard admitted that he’d spent a lot of time trying to pick out strong nonconference foes to help his team’s RPI, and many of those squads didn’t perform as expected."
As a result, the last RPI posted on NCAA.com had Texas second and KU sixth.
Unfortunately, KU’s opponents did not perform overall as well as Texas; nothing anyone can do about it.
As you know, programs schedule opponents with an eye on the RPI. KU Basketball, according to HC Self, has one of the best schedulers in the business in projecting where teams will be and scheduling accordingly; consequently KU always end up with a very high SOS and a a good RPI resulting from winning most of those games. Look at it this way, the season before last KU and ISU split in men’s basketball in the regular season and ISU beat KU in the Conference tournament and won the title; however, KU had a #2 seed and ISU a #3 since KU had the better RPI. Like I said, it happens all the time and sometimes you benefit from it and some times you don’t…
Would I have liked to see KU as the #4 seed? abso-frigging-lutely YES. Do I feel KU got shafted by the NCAA? Emotions would lead me to say yes, but the numbers and logic -in my opinion- would seem to indicate no.
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@JayHawkFanToo give it up, can’t change my mind!
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Careful, when @Crimsonorblue22 starts flinging emojis you’re toast.I know. Look at what happened to me. She even went back and changed Sunday newspaper stories! The woman has no peer.
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You gotta love @Crimsonorblue22, no body loves KU more than she does…she is also the de-facto forum mom that keeps us all unruly kids in line.
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@JayHawkFanToo tough job! I have 2 great boys to show for it!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Can I have the keys and some money?
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@mayjay speaking of the keys, last week I had a mouse run across my feet on my way to work. I yelled! Was barely out of the drive so not going to fast. Slammed it into park and jumped out. Opened the doors and back, saw him come out from under pass. Side and go up under dash. Went on and didn’t look down. A guy at work looked around and couldn’t find anything. He was chewing on a scarf. Couple of years ago while getting my car serviced my in cabin filter was full of dog food. Dog food secured now. Caught a few in the garage but I think I have one living under the hood.
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Be very careful with mice; they will chew wiring like there is no tomorrow and they can get through the smallest openings.
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@JayHawkFanToo so what do I do?
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Make sure mice is gone and all openings from engine compartment to inside the car are sealed so you don’t get them again. Here is a link to a video with suggestions.
. You can find lots of videos on YouTube with instructions on how to get rid of mice in cars.
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@JayHawkFanToo I’m sure this will be right up my alley
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@Crimsonorblue22 I had an old 1969 Rambler that depended on the mice under the hood to turn the treadmill. Early version of a hybrid.
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I had a mouse destroy the wiring harness to my work truck. Apparently it was crawling up under the hood for warmth when I parked at the shed. The mice have all since been killed at the shed. Let’s just say it was fumigated.
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The difference between a four and a five seed in this tournament is huge. If it were on a neutral court it wouldn’t be a big deal, but this gives Texas home field in games 3-4 that KU should have. And we all know the girls love to play at Horejsi. It’s a disservice to the hard work they did in the regular season to do so.
The selection committees too often rely upon RPI to do their job. I don’t know enough about volleyball to be objective, but in general I’d take body of work + confernce champion + eye test over RPI/BPI/BSPI.
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Even if KU was the overall #4 seed, it could not have been able to play the regional at Horejsi since it does not meet the NCAA guidelines. KU looked at Topeka Convention Center, Municipal Auditorium and Sprint Center in KC and they were all booked as was AFH. The only way to play at AFH was to get a special variance from the NCAA to change game and practice times. If KU was the #4 seed and advanced, it would most likely have had to play at the locations of the next lower seed in its bracket anyway, so all of this is really moot.
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@JayHawkFanToo ask the team if it’s a moot pt? Did you play sports?
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@mayjay Good points, even if we may differ on taking over a thread with an outside topic…which, of course I’m guilty of partaking in myself from time to time.
You do make great points about “re-living” awful traumatic experiences. I do help at a VA, & it is indeed notable how many suffer from PTSD from either battlefield scenarios, or military sexual trauma, that indeed happens, as Im sure you are aware. I do thank you for helping those so affected. And thank you for your service, sir!
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@JayHawkFanToo Playing at Texas or a neutral court that KU has a hand in picking, hmm…
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@Crimsonorblue22 Put poison in your car, this time a year we get a ton of cars with mice trouble, I’ve seen some nasty things that can happen when they get into the blower motor. Believe me you never wanna clean that mess or chase wires that they may have chewed thru.
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@kjayhawks like where? And what kind? I’m a real mechanical genius! I did put steering wheel fluid in last week!
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@Crimsonorblue22 put some around you air box, also if you have a garage go buy a sonic mouse preventer, you can get them at Walmart they plug in to the wall and make a noise that bugs mice and keep them away.
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@kjayhawks I have a sonic thing in basement. I have poison in garage, sticky traps, caught 3. Repellent thrown under car. Smells to bad to put in car. We went 2 hrs away for thanksgiving and my aunt gave us food, we put it in my folks frig but put the rolls in a ziplock bag in car and Guess what? Chewed out corner! The damn thing went to thanksgiving w/us! We caught the 3 rd mouse since we’ve got home. Hope it was him. The one in my car was chewing on my scarve. I hate them!! I don’t know what an air box is. Thx!
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@kjayhawks Problem with poison in the car is that the mice can die in an inaccessible place and then you will be paying for disassembly and cleaning and lots of aerosol deodoizing sprays.
Traps are better!
@Crimsonorblue22 I guess you could get a snake to hunt 'em down. Or put a cat under the hood.
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@mayjay that happens most of the time anyways they never die out in the open lol
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@mayjay yeah right, love
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About that air box? I have learned to do a few things that I hate to do!
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@Crimsonorblue22 put traps around the tires while parked for extended periods (overnight). This is where they get up on the car.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I had a houseful in an old farmhouse I owned about 20 yrs ago. Apparently they had moved in after discovering a major population explosion of mice, whose evidence was all over any cabinet base in the house. They were shedding their skins in the crawlspace and in the pockets of my cinderblock foundation walls.
Right up until one of them started moving along my left arm and lifted its head out of attic insulation to flick his tongue at me when I was sprawled out up there removing some siding and sheathing.
The siding removal was of wood-boring beetles, thus justifying a $5,500 full “tent fumigation” of the house, and collaterally eliminating the offending reptiles. No, I didn’t have to buy new underwear–but almost.
In any event, when the snakes were there, there had been no mice, just their historical evidence. So, they do work!
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Vb http://cjonline.com/sports/2016-11-30/ku-volleyball-hopes-show-home-court-advantage-ncaa-tournament
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Top 4 vb plays
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As a matter if fact I did play sports including varsity in college. The point I was making and that apparently got lost in the translation is that KU could not find a facility available for the regional in case they were given the overall #4 seed and they even checked as far as Topeka and Kansas City; by the way AFH was booked on that day for the KU-Nebraska basketball game. According to what I have read, if a team cannot provide a venue, then the games area played at the venue of the next lower seed, which would have been…Texas and we would have ended up in the exact same situation, hence the “moot” comment.
Remember last NCCA tournament? KU a #1 seed was sent to Lexington, Kentucky…of all places…instead of Chicago. It happens all the time, even to big time programs like KU basketball.
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Read my reply to @Crimsonorblue22. If KU was ranked #4 the game would have been played at Texas anyway since KU could not find a location that met NCAA guidelines.
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@JayHawkFanToo Good points, but I think people seem determined to believe KU would have found a way to make it work. What they don’t seem to realize is that the arena would be needed, I believe, for all three matches that second weekend, not just the regional final. (I do wonder if the Neb bb game could have been moved to earlier to allow for a floor install–like 11 a.m., but when you start inconveniencing TV, well, then there is hell to pay.)
In a larger sense, it is really moot simply because because the decision has been made and isn’t likely to change. (Edit: I guess if Texas loses there is a chance of us hosting, acc to the Newell article.)
If the players get pissed about it and use it as motivation, all the better for them.
If they spend a lot of time whining about it and worrying about Texas, uh oh…
How many times have people on this Board obsessed about eventual unfair matchups down the road when our bb seeding seemed wrong, only to watch us get eliminated before the “unfair” round? That is the danger for the players if they get distracted. Two games at home, two games elsewhere – all steps that have to be taken to get back to where they are aiming.
Anger (redirected from the Committee to all opposing teams) can help you prove you are better. Whining does nothing but make you look vulnerable and unconfident.
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@JayHawkFanToo You really think KU would’ve picked Texas to play at? Hell playing in Omaha would be better for KU. Think about it a bit, KU wouldn’t choose to go to Texas. Anywhere, but an opponents home would be better. I know what you’ve been told you’ve repeated/restated it several times.
Also if Texas loses and KU wins KU gets to pick the site…per Tait’s earlier article. So your argument that KU couldn’t hold the tournament is moot as that is what they could have to do. I realize it won’t be in Allen or Horejsi, but it shouldn’t be in Texas either.
Kansas volleyball happy to be playing at home sweet Horejsi
@mayjay We are complaining about a perceived injustice forced upon us by a committee that doesn’t have to answer to anyone. The team is soldiering on. Not all complaints are whiny, hope I’m not coming across as so. I know exactly how annoying some of my friends are on facebook right now whining about the election.
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@dylans Sorry! Not at you at all! My comment about whining was only about hoping the team doesn’t fall into that trap. Focusing on injustices can become a built-in excuse for losing.
Dissatisfaction institutionally with the NCAA–to try to effect change–is entirely different.
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Oh brother! They ARE NOT WHINERS! Far from it. I could care less about where they play. Think Stanford last year. Best game ever! It would be sweet to continue on at home, but I’m only talking about they deserved to be seated 4 period! It’s very subjective. The program took a huge jump this year winning the big 12! I can’t tell you what a super accomplishment this was for the program. I have watched every game that was on tv or streamed. I followed the others online.
Drop!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Oh, for crying out loud! I said I hope they don’t whine because it would be distracting, not that they are whiners!
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Once again…
KU made a bid along with many other programs to host tournament games. The NCAA has requirements for the venues that will host the games; early round games can be played pretty much anywhere but the regionals have a 3,000 minimum capacity and the court must be available at certain times for practice and so the teams acclimate to the venue. Horenjsi worked fine for the early games but did not meet the requirements for the regionals, so, a different venue was required.
KU is hosting Nebraska that day at AFH and the game is nationally televised and was contracted well in advance and cannot be changed.
KU checked the convention Center in Topeka, where they played before, but it was booked and not available. They also checked Municipal Auditorium and Sprint Center in Kansas City and both were booked and unavailable. By NCAA rule, if KU could not provide a venue, like in this case, the games are played at the venue provided by the next lower seed in the region, in this case Texas.
If KU was seeded #4 instead of #5, we would have the exact same situation where the regionals would have been played at the venue provided by the next lower seed which would have been Texas. KU does not get to pick a neutral venue, it must follow the rules that are in place. If KU would have been able to find a venue that would meet the NCAA requirements, it would have been different but since it could not, it ended up being a moot point, right?
A few weeks ago, before the Texas game, I mentioned that KU needed to start thinking about building a volleyball venue with a 3,000 to 5,000 capacity and it was taken by some posters as blasphemy, look it up. It seems that a larger facility will now be considered in view of the success of the program. The advantage of a small venue disappeares when you cannot play NCAA regional games there, wouldn’t you agree?
Again, I have nothing against the volleyball program; in fact, it is my favorite program after men’s basketball and I have mentioned this before and long before it became popular. I understand that the team would have preferred to be seeded higher and I would have too, but in this particular case it turned out to be irrelevant.
Now, back to basketball.
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We know that already. Have heard there are plans in place. They do Not want to build AFH 2. A few in our conference have to play in their bb gyms, loses the whole home advantage.
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@Crimsonorblue22 How big would be ideal? Do tickets cost much? I assume a new place would charge more.
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@mayjay probably enough to host. I heard adding on. I’ll know more after this weekend.
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Tickets for the Texas game were going for well over $100 although they are usually a lot less. Obviously no one advocating building AFH 2; however increasing the capacity to 3,000-4,000 can be done by enlarging the current facility. I looked at the satellite images of Horesji and I believe it is doable. The original facility was built for $3.8M and I would think the mods can be made for around $2M which with another deep run can be easily raised…I would think…
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@JayHawkFanToo Yes, they said you have to have at least a 3,000 capacity to host a regional. Also better to do so now while the VB is hot and gotten the attention that they have, it also could help in recruiting. Sad thing to me is that our 2a highschool gym in the middle of BFE holds as much as Horejsi.
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I am surprised they did not check with Johnson County Community College, their gym hold 3,500 and has held numerous national tournaments in various disciplines…less than 30 minutes from the KU campus.
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Still don’t think expanding Horejsi shoupd a priority right now simply because it’s not a revenue sport.
All fundraising efforts right now need to be focused on Memorial Stadium because football is a revenue sport and the Big 12 is on its deathbed right now. Keep building football up amd renovating Memorial and put expanding Horejsi as the next priority after Memorial Stadium gets the renovations it desperately needs.
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The cost of enlarging Horejsi is very minor compared to upgrading the stadium. Like I indicated, a deep run in the tournament would allow the expansion to pay itself, as long as the program stays successful. The increased income from, say an additional 1,500 seats, would easily pay a bond issue in 10 years, but I think the money could be raised without the need of a bond and with no negative effect on the fund raising for the stadium.
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@JayHawkFanToo Looks like JCCC has men’s bb home games both Thurs evening and Saturday afternoon if I read their schedule correctly.
Maybe might have required too much compensation?
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The scheduled times of JuCo games should not be that complicated to change…with some compensation, of course. KU’s men’s basketball game, on the other hand, is on national TV on ESPN and changing the time would affect the entire ESPN schedule for that day that was set up months ago…not doable.
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At this point I’m more likely to go to a volleyball game than football. (Slim and none are the odds) Why wouldn’t you take care of the winners? It’ll take $2-5 million for renovations or a new facility. You can’t do anything for $5 million for the football team that will matter. They will still have sub-par facilitiies and a team that is years away from relevance. At this point WSU’s football team has the same odds to make the playoffs as KU.
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If 5th ranked Texas, who got 2 in big 12 vs big 12 winner and 4th ranked KU wins, its a moot pt
