WHICH .560 coach will replace Pastner at Memphisto?

  • Vote here?

    Will he get a short or medium stack?

  • @jaybate-1.0 Taking a wild in the dark stab at the coaching guess. How about that dorky guy from WSU? He could make a lateral move. I guess his record is a bit higher than you specified though.

  • @Lulufulu Marshall has turned down better jobs than Memphis. I could see Damon Stoudamire taking that job since Arizona doesn’t appear as though it’ll open up anytime in the near future. Stoudamire is actually back with Memphis this year so he could be back to take over the program in the near future.

  • @Lulufulu the dork will look just so he can get a raise. After this next year it could be interesting.

  • @jaybate-1.0

    Just curious. Where does the .560 number comes from and why do you think that a .560 coach would replace Pastner who has a .718 record at Memphis? Bo Ryan had the same issue (and blow back) from denying a player transfer and he survived and thrived. Just about every program, including KU, has players that transfer and it is really no longer a big deal. I personally don’t think that Pastner will lose his job any time soon…but I could be wrong.

  • @JayHawkFanToo

    I recall that there were a couple recent hires at reputed non elite majors with reputed .560s records overall when hired that were apparently reputedly able to sign players Bill Self with a .82 at an elite major reputedly tried for.

    So: I Wondered if maybe a similar hire might be in the future at Memphis.

  • @jaybate-1.0

    Got it…but what coaches were those .560 new coaches replacing? Certainly not one with Self’s record, right? Getting recruits is not all about the program; playing time and exposure play a big role. Kansas cannot offer the press exposure that the East or Southern-West coast can. Coach Self has been know to tell prospects that they will have to earn playing time but other coaches promise it freely and end having to “platoon” players…that dd not work out well for the squid.

    More importantly, do you think Memphis will fire Pastner? I personally don’t think that will happen.

  • @JayHawkFanToo

    If I assume for a moment the hypothesis that the dynamics of Big Shoe, Big Agent, Tubbie Smith’s new coaching association, and the Drake Group are converging, I am inclined to guess Pastner is a dead coach walking already, unless he makes a deep run in the Madness.

    And if he does not go quietly, as Mike Montgomery did; or if he refuses to go at all, say, like Roy Williams, how long will it be before it will be learned that there were easy classes, or some other not perhaps unprecedented improprieties, at Memphis to encourage Pastner to move on?

    “…for the times they are a-changin’”

  • @JayHawkFanToo

    Cuonzo replaced Montgomery at Cal. Montgomery is .681 overall, according to his wiki page.

    Johnny Jones, who has risen to .572 overall after 4 good years building on Trent Johnson’s recruits, was .484 at Memphis and .564 at North Texas State before taking over LSU and after a couple seasons moving into apparent short to medium stack country.

    It is all so complicated.

    Domestic big men don’t go to big man u.

    Domestic OAD/TADs would rather sit on the bench at UK than start for Self, who has a similar record and the same number of rings as Cal.

    .560 Cuonzo can sign an adidas lean OAD 3 to Cal, when Bill cannot same to the most storied program in D1 on a quarter century long roll and the winningest decade in college basketball, and even though Self has put Brandon Rush, Xavier Henry, Andrew Wiggins in the lottery, or nearly so. And I’m not even mentioning our 3 last season who got drafted.

    Bill Self has never left a trail of infractions.

    Bill Self has never vacated a season, much less two.

    Bill Self has converted practically his entire staff to African Americans without being scolded, or shamed, into it…

    USA cannot win WUG for a decade or so, but Bill Self goes and takes an injury and eligibility depleted team to Korea and whips everyone’s asses for gold.

    But Bill Self cannot sign a domestic OAD footer, or even a foreign OAD footer. He has to turn a foreign footer project into an OAD.

    Bill Self can also not sign an OAD PG unless he is sloppy seconds from an imposing program. Not once in ten seasons.

    Now Bill Self cannot even sign an adidas lean OAD 3.

    Help me, help me, help me, I think I’m going insane. 🙂

  • @jaybate-1.0

    Help me, help me, help me, I think I’m going insane. [:-)]

    Too late for that, that train already left the station…

    Just kidding, of course. .:) 🙂 🙂

    I think you are making it too complicated. Colleges hire the wrong coaches for the wrong reasons all the time. It has happened often in the past and it will continue to happen in the future. There is no rational explanation why anyone in his right mind would hire Quin Snyder over Bill Self and yet MU did…thank God for their stupidity. Don’t forget that now, in addition to the BBall qualification, schools are required to consider the socio-political ramifications of all new hires. Every major program that has had a vacancy in the last few years has been approached by organizations urging them to interview “their” candidates and forcing schools to…well…I will leave it at that since I do not want to incur the wrath of the PC crowd.

  • @JayHawkFanToo as long as sz isn’t doing the hiring-alone. See Weiss experiment .

  • @jaybate-1.0

    If my numbers are correct Cuonzo was 124-82o or 0.601 prior to being hired by Cal; much higher than 0.560. Also, Montgomery was 0.640 at Cal in 6 season which is much lower than his overall percentage, particularly his previous stop at Stanford where he was 0.702 over 18 seasons. The concern is that the program was going in the wrong direction when 2 of the last 4 years they ended up at the NIT, not because the record was bad but because the conference was weak and send a small number of team to the dance, unlike other conferences like the Big 12. In his 6 years at Cal the team finished 3, 1, 4, 2, 2, 3…not really a bad record for school that has to play second fiddle to UCLA and Stanford.

  • @Crimsonorblue22

    In all fairness, I ma not sure the Weiss hire was such a bad hire. No question that it did not worked out well, but on paper and given the KU had already been snubbed by other potential candidates, it was a defensible hire. Let;s face it, the FBall HC position is really not what up-and-coming coaches in high demand aspire to take. 😞 Now, BBall…that is the exact opposite. 🙂

  • @JayHawkFanToo are you kidding me?😳

  • @JayHawkFanToo said:

    Too late for that, that train already left the station…


    I think you are making it too complicated.

    Perhaps, but I think I am making it just complicated enough.

    Cuonzo’s wiki page reads: 142–97 (.594)

    .560/.594= .94276094

    I can live with that level of error in this sort of analysis, how about you? 🙂

    We are not exactly trying to connect a bridge across the Grand Canyon to an approach, eh? 😉

    Another way to think about this error is that at either .56, or .59, I would much prefer Bill Self at, oh, say, .753 overall, or .82 the last 12 seasons at KU.

    It is kind of like preferrring KU’s winning percentage over all over UC-Berkeley’s.

    KU is at .722.

    Cal is at, um, well, Cal is not listed on the top 50 winningest programs of all time.

    Cal must be less than .569, because that is where Minnesota ranks at number 50.

    To put that in perspective, Cal is behind, oh, say, Fizzouri and Murray State and Minnesota in winning percentage.

    Now, regarding Montgomery, a part of my happy point is that Montgomery was a solid coach at Cal with a solid W&L overall and selectively. And his record overall and selectively was significantly better than Cuonzo’s. And Montgomery did well at bringing a foundation to Cal. And he had respectable finishes for a major that has experienced more scandal than excellence since the brief run of Pete Newell’s success. It at least appears that Cal should have been able to find a coach with a better life time and selective record than Cuonzo. But Harry Edwards apparently liked Cuonzo. Hmmmm. Not sure why Harry matters in the hiring of a Cal coaches but I will hazard a hypothesis that some how sports institutes and Big Shoes have an evolving dynamic. So: whatever processes appear to distribute talent with apparent asymmetry around the college basketball landscape subject perhaps to the dynamics of Big Shoe, Big Agent, coaching networks, and advocacy groups, etc., apparently liked Cuonzo, too. Cuonzo appears to have a short stack already.


  • On a side note, the Big 12 has done a better than adequate job of hiring and installing decent talented hoops coaches. Even a pair of the current apparent bottomfeeders, Weber and Tubby, have taken former teams to the Promised Land. Pastner appears to have run off some quite good players in the past few years. The recruiting successes of newly installed coaches at Cal and LSU falls just short of puzzling.

  • @REHawk

    Weber and Tubby are the best basement coaches in any conference I can think of.

    To some extent, the B12’s troubles late last season might be attributed to a shortage of big men and a very physical brand of play that wore our teams down.

    But I think we were better than we showed in the Madness even so.

    Thus, I am drawn back to the hypothesis of whistle asymmetry and seeding designed to enable the stacks for commercial purposes.

  • @Crimsonorblue22 @JayHawkFanToo can’t we all just agree that firing Mangino was the mistake in the first place?

  • @Kcmatt7 agree 100%. His last year was ruined by Perkins too.

  • @Kcmatt7

    I agree, I really liked the big guy but in many ways, political correctness played a role and the “mean” coach had to go. In retrospective, his tenure seems even better since it was followed by the worst possible hire ever, Turner Gill.

  • @JayHawkFanToo Yea there is a reason Turner didn’t get the Nebraska job when it was open…

  • @Kcmatt7

    Yeap. They know a little bit about football up north…

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