so no one starting a Perry Ellis Thread? guess I will
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This link has most everything you need to know about Perry staying or leaving.
One question, if Perry leaves, does KU become a better option for some of the top players since it frees 30+ minutes per game for the 3/4 position?
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“Persons raped and murdered and addicted to drugs by gang bangers, and organized crime, are not enriched by gang culture, or The culture of organized crime.”
I couldn’t agree more. Everyone has to be held accountable, especially when it comes to crime. The criminal aspect of the hood is the hardship aspect I mentioned. No one knows more about being victimized than those who live in those neighborhoods. It is part of the overall situation that actually entices more people to become criminal, like after everything they ever worked to own is gone and they are at a very raw survival moment in their lives. I’m dealing with a kid right now who lives with his grandma and when she was hospitalized everything from their unit was stolen. They didn’t even have a cup to drink from. I’m busy finding as much work for this kid as I can because they have to survive, and if he can’t get it by finding work, he’ll have to get it in another way. Most of us have options even in our lowest moments, but not everyone is blessed with options, often for many reasons, it isn’t just an issue of race.
The largest hurdle in the hood is education. Kids who take on the challenge and develop their minds will end up having an opportunity to leave the hood, or stay and fight to improve it. Good decision-making is the biggest reason why people remain down.
So when the NCAA pulled the plug on Cliff it hit home with me. Part of it was that it hurt his chances to make a living at basketball… another side of it was he just lost his free-ride to an education.
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Thank you very much for posting this. It was because of the portion of this you directed me to previously that I evolved my hypothesis into the ShoeCo-agent complex and the entirety of this supports having done so, plus raises the issue if there were another piece to add to the ShoeCo-agency complex. Excellent virtual shoe leAther on your. Thanks again!!
P.S.: what I am trying to say here is that this evidences the existence of a shoe co-agency complex and that it exerts influence to significant but as yet not transparent degree. Further, this complex does not seem to explain on it’s own the entirety of the apparent phenomena of biased officiating and seeding and anomalous talent stacking. Therefore, one infers another element of the complex may be waiting to be found and so far everything appears to be legal is the hypothesis has assumed.
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Since in principal the purpose of a university is to educate persons and develop them for society, it seems to me, as a layman, questionable whether the NCAA, the University, and the athletic department, fulfilled their function to Cliff Alexander, if he committed no crime and if he did not take out a loan. It appears at the very least not fair
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It seems very unfair to Cliff. None of us know his family dynamics. We can only speculate if he “should have known better.” Or… did he know better? Did she know better?
It feels like Kansas didn’t hold up their end, but we can only speculate. I have a hard time Kansas athletics hasn’t thought of this before and has a policy for preventing as much as possible. I’m not going to point a finger at anyone, only worth mentioning that the system, somewhere, is broken. Cliff shouldn’t be stuck out in the cold.
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@drgnslayr wonder if we will ever know? What a pain for all to live w/!
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@drgnslayr I am going back to what I’ve posted before. My daughter plays club ball AAU tourneys and even at BIG tourneys in middle school she had to watch a NCAA rules video. Now there is no real WNBA money or shoe money here for women but the rules are the same for men . Now we go to high school tourneys and these videos are required at most every tourney, including parents signing documents they know the rules.
So as Bill Self states it is not against the rules to talk to an agent. But extra benefits ARE illegal and what ever scumbag got involved with Cliff/or his family deserves to have a court order stating he can NEVER have contact with an amateur athlete again.
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@jaybate-1.0 So you’re saying its an hypothesis?
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@wrwlumpy The longer he waits, the more I lean towards him leaving.
But I fundamentally disagree with the writer. I would agree if he averaged 18 and 8 this year.
Ellis is a classic in between player. But with the same size of Marcus Morris, and noticeably more explosion, why can’t he get drafted like Marcus Morris. Obviously, it depends on the draft class. But not draft class has a the massive chasm of 14th lottery to middle in the second round.
Stay another year, show consistent explosiveness, handles, and outside touch and he is definitely a first round guaranteed contract.
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@wrwlumpy Huh, that guy makes a good point. But, conversely if Perry wont change his draft stock no matter what he does. Why not come back another year? Getting picked in the second round is no guarantee at all. Your fighting for a spot on the roster with everyone else in the second round, free agency, etc. Perry is imo, too slow to be an NBA 3 and too small to be an NBA 4. Unless he gets picked by the perfect team, he’ll end up as a D leaguer. Maybe its just my bias, but I would like to see him on Senior night at KU.
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Right on!
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I don’t think the writer of that story has much of a grip on the reality of this situation.
This idea he presents… that if a player isn’t getting better, he is getting worse is silly. First off, Perry has improved every year as a Jayhawk. This past year he established his perimeter shot. The idea that NBA scouts peg a player early and leave him in the same spot is just 100% false. We constantly hear about scouts attending games. They constantly update their player evaluations because players change. Heck… some of them are even still growing in college (height). Players blossom all the time. All ex-players are familiar with either themselves (or others) that suddenly hit another gear. Sometimes it is a real puzzle when it comes. I hit my biggest gear change in my late 20s.
If Perry leaves now, he will leave in a bad draft year for players that aren’t in that very top tier. There are just too many quality players coming out this year, most are not seniors. These guys typically get picked first. If Perry goes in the second round (or even third) the chances are completely likely he ends up in d-league… $25,000 for a 50-game season. That is a heavy opportunity price to pay for not sticking it out at KU and earning his degree and also having the spot light for one more year to try to lift his position.
The “player is getting better, or getting worse” card here is played around the idea of Perry QUITTING Kansas. It should be a motivational tool for Perry to absorb and fight that much harder to improve his game and STAY at Kansas and not be a quitter.
Euro-ball is a complete crap shoot. It is a false panacea that is always presented as an option for guys who can’t cut it in the league. Truth is, few American players make it overseas. Few players are cut out to go abroad and “do it alone.” The sacrifices of being out there alone is the first big hurdle. The cultural differences are another huge hurdle. And the basketball infrastructure is the third hurdle that makes it hard for players to pick up. These college kids need to hear the reality about it before thinking it is their definite backup plan.
Personally, I think Perry would be nuts to leave early. I view him as a very smart young man so I’m betting he returns.
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According to Matt Scott there is going to be an announcement about a player tonight at the Banquet.
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@Statmachine Hopefully it’s Perry coming back, 'cause there isn’t a third round of the draft.
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@Statmachine Ohhhhhh reeeaaally?
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@dylans @Statmachine.Just posted on kusports.com Perry is coming back for his Sr year. And all the people said…Amen !!
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@globaljaybird Yep, the twitter verse is blazing about Perry coming back. Its official now.
So now we need to get Diallo in here and maybe Ingram or Jaylen. ROCK CHALK FINAL FOUR!
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Does anyone know what is keeping Perry from being a Marcus Morris?
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@globaljaybird THANK YOU PERRY. I HOPE YOUR LAST YEAR AT KU PAYS BIG DIVIDENDS FOR YOU ALL THE WAY AROUND!
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@JhawkAlum maybe he’ll make that next step this coming year.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I sure hope so! I see the same skill set with better explosion!
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“Does anyone know what is keeping Perry from being a Marcus Morris?”
Good question. I think Perry is working towards that. I know he hasn’t advanced as fast as we all wanted him to… but we should consider the glass half full because he has advanced just fast enough to be a crucial part of our team and hang around all 4 years! We always say we want 4 year guys?! Here is a 4-year guy. If he had advanced his game just a bit faster, he might not be back next year and finish his degree off-campus.
Perry has made a very steady improvement all 3 years he has been a Jayhawk. He is going to advance his game this year, too… maybe even take the biggest leap in his game because he knows this is it for his NBA tryout! Plus… Perry knows the role of seniors. And he is a true Jayhawk so he wants to leave behind a legacy. He will be reaching for the record books… not just to prove himself but by focusing on team goals.
I do believe we will see a very different Perry Ellis this year… and it is all good!
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@drgnslayr I like your enthusiasm! I just don’t think he possesses the attitude of taking over a game like Marcus Morris did.
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I don’t really see Marcus as an alpha dog. He didn’t even want to sign with a NBA team without his brother on the same team (and vice-versa).
I do think Marcus is stronger than Perry and uses his body better to create scoring space. That is a huge factor for Perry and he should be working on that.
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@drgnslayr Marcus could also rip someone’s head off if he so desired! I’m hoping he didn’t!
