Orange Turns To Red While Using Mysterious Math...
Syracuse basketball has received the closest thing to the NCAA death penalty. And the NCAA has recently said they have all but given up on using the death penalty because of the excessive hardship it creates for schools and players.
What reads strange about all of this is the penalty period and the math.
“The self-reported violations, dating back to 2001, include academic misconduct, extra benefits, the failure to follow its drug testing policy and impermissible booster activity. The other violations found included impermissible academic assistance and services, the head basketball coach’s failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance and monitor his staff, and the school’s lack of control over its athletics program.”
If my Jayhawk math serves me right… we lost to Syracuse in 2003 for the National Championship. Why isn’t that title vacated? And if the NCAA ever decides to remove the ultimate prize from a penalized school… why doesn’t the runner-up receive the trophy and championship?
Boeheim is vacating 108 wins… but why not the only really important win… the 2003 National Championship?
In the very least… some intelligent sports historian is going back and putting an asterisk beside 2003 National Champion. I know I will go ahead and add one more championship in my Jayhawk book. Carmelo this! #%&$@!
I’ve decided to conduct a Jim Boeheim Eyeglass Retirement Ceremony in my backyard… smashing a pair of ugly eyeglasses and burying them in my compost pile. You are all welcome to attend!
@drgnslayr we better not cast stones, yet?
@drgnslayr The NCAA will never, ever, EVER force a school to vacate a title. I guarantee you that if Mario clanked the miracle, Derrick Rose’s situation would have been overlooked. Same thing if Chris Webber’s infamous timeout never happened. There are a lot of reasons it won’t happen, and frankly, I wouldn’t want to get the title under those circumstances anyway. We lost the game, we didn’t earn it, and it’s better that the asterisk appears by the word Syacuse in the book of life than by the word Kansas.
I agree… the NCAA didn’t even go after Kentucky’s trophy cabinet after the point-shaving scheme.
But after the orange scourge of 2003, I take every opportunity possible to get a dig in on the orange.
My question is the Tar Heels committed academic fraud on the highest level I’ve ever seen, and not even a peep from the NCAA.
Oh wait they said will look into it. The don’t even have to investigate? All the evidence has been outed by those with in. Really?
@drgnslayr Im cool with giving KU the title in 03, circumstantially of course.
Anyone heard if these violations have anything to do with the reputed molestation allegations involving a Boeheim assistant that apparently went no where a few season’s back, or was that stuff completely separate? Was there some story the last year or so indicating that that mess was bubbling up again? I wonder if one scandal surfacing had anything to do with the other?
Wouldn’t it be edifying to have Jim Calhoun and Jim Boeheim and John Thompson 1.0 do a sports talk show hosted by Bill Cosby?
Maybe call it “Mondo Big East Nostalgia Sports Talk”?
The Big East?
Ah, those were the good old days.
The story that came out about how Fab Melo is disturbing. How coaches wrote a paper to get his grade changed. How did he get into College if he was still learning the basics of the english language. There’s no way he passed a SAT or minimum requirements to get into College if their wasn’t cheating happening before he even got there. Crazy story
I am of the opinion that UNC will go down, but it will take many years, similar to the orange investigation. UNC will go down.
I just hope it doesn’t lead a trail back to Kansas. But if we are guilty… so be it and so be us to suffer the same consequences. I don’t give anyone a break, including Kansas.
I think the real question is… how far back does the NCAA want to dig? If they can go back far enough, aren’t MOST schools guilty of academic violations? Seriously?
Fab’s story is typical at 75% of more of the universities across America if you are willing to go back 20 years ago. It was common practice to “roll out the red carpet” for athletes with poor academics.
Today… it still goes on, but they are pushing more of these athletes into tutors to help them get by. And the cheating is probably being masked a bit more.
I have way too much knowledge about this because I’ve known so many old college athletes… half of which couldn’t pass an exam on a third grade level in any subject.
Cheating was THE standard back in my day… I’ll say it and I don’t care what anyone else thinks of my statement. It is the truth.
Seemed more an institution based problem than it being certralized around a Roy Williams problem. If that was the case I think information would have leaked that jeopardized his job already. You know the media wouldn’t stop until they ruined his career, its what they do…
I absolutely agree that cheating was most likely the standard everywhere. This Melo situation says its still happening not even 4-5 years ago at a major university. It will be interesting to see how much this truly affects them. I see they can even defer the penalties start date by a year. Why come down on them hard if they get a pass for year just because they signed 4 top 100 players. You make the penalties effective now, not a year from now where they’ve had the time to adjust and plan for it.
@DoubleDD Don’t you think that UNC and Roy are wondering if and when the hammer is going to fall on them and if it is as hard or even harder?
@drgnslayr I’ve had the same fears about blowback from Roy. But, it was over 12 years ago, so I think by taking Roy out, they would put it to bed. And they will take Roy out, willingly or not.