Evaluating C5 - Stats
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@ralster Great take on Mari. In @jaybate-1.0 parlance, he’s the grunt you’d pick when the fighting gets tough.
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Looking at a couple of the Offensive stats in production without reference to subsets.
Of the big men, Cheick edges Perry out shooting categories on a % basis, but obviously overall utilization nullifies impact in what we’ve seen so far. But in Pts/min:
Cheick as noted leads team .57 [low utilization]
Perry .56
Seldon .55
Greene .53
Svi (.48 ) Mason & Bragg (.41) follow
If you look at FGM/min though (after Cheick again), the order is Perry & Selden (.20), Bragg (.19), Svi (.17), Vick (.15), Lucas & Mason & Greene (.14); The reason Greene is top 3* in Pts/min is he gets to the FT line much more often than anyone else besides Traylor on a per minute basis (.788 FTA/FGA). Traylor is really team high (at .880 FTA/FGA) while his Pts/min is a team low .23 on low attempts and makes while his decent FT% gives him some lift.
My overall take: Perry doesn’t necessarily dominate stats, he is at or near the top in key Offensive categories with a high utilization rate. Bragg and Diallo show similar types of activeness and effectiveness with more down sides at this point in their development.
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@brooksmd My only question is if Mickelson was given like minutes, would we see his offensive categories come up with the upside of his overall performance reflected in the wide range of stats.
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Good thread. Thanks for putting in the energy!
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@Bwag might foul out?
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@Crimsonorblue22 true. He’s had some bad fouls, but almost like the young guys, I think he just needs some more playing time so he’s not trying so hard. He’s either not gotten much of a chance last couple of years, or had a relatively quick hook other than the 2nd half against (I can’t recall which team after nearly a bottle of Champagne mixed into a coctail with St Germaine and Contreau).
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@drgnslayr My wife asked, “what have you been doing?” Me: “Just messing around.” I’ve been sucked in, too much on this site! Waiting for Godot, I mean @HighEliteMajor.
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@Bwag he looked really bad against OU. Have you been to a game at AFH? Just wondered.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I worked for the athletic department for 5-6 years and was a student from 82-86 (didn’t go to many games in that time period though I recall a Sunday game against Notre Dame my Sr. year which of course, was the year that we should have won it all). Had a pass to all athletic events while I was working there ('90-'95) except maybe the last part of it when the IRS said it needed to be taxed as a benefit.
So, went to quite a few games. Lived about 3 or 4 blocks from campus so what I often did is watch the first half on TV and then walk to AFH as time ran out in the half and got a “seat” standing behind one of the goals for the 2nd half. Was often in the ESPN crowd shots as they came back to the game in the 2nd half!
I got to travel with the team to the inaugural Wooden Classic in Pasadena “The Pond”. Ate with Bob and Max at the post game dinner! Sat next to Matt Doherty’s wife at the game who is/was a model! Lots of good memories… I worked with many of the players while I was there in early 90’s. Greg O, lifted my ~2 year old son up to a basket in the Field House to “dunk” the basketball. Because I was pretty much poor at the time, Calvin Rayford gave me a pair of his b-ball shoes…the 5’6" dude had the same size feet as me at about 5’ 11"! @jaybate-1.0 could probably remind me if those were Nike’s or Adidas…I don’t recall now, but it was during the William’s era.
We come up every year or so and go to a game still, usually the December games. Brought a buddy from MI up to see MI lose to us several years back. Was at the UCLA game with my wife where we were down something like 15 at half and came back in the 2nd half to beat them by 15 (?)!
So been to some good and exciting games over the years. Lived in Lawrence for 20+ years including school time.
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@Bwag good times! Where are you now?
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@Crimsonorblue22 Northwest Arkansas…just across the Mizery border. Probably partly why I want Hunter to do so well. Have listened to all the Razorback fans here bad-mouth him from when he was at UoA. Told them Self would make him a star…still hoping just to poke them in the eye down here.
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@Bwag did you know about the singer, craig Strickland?
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@Crimsonorblue22 The guy that died duck hunting in OK? Friends with one of my daughter’s friend if that is him.
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“My wife asked, “what have you been doing?” Me: “Just messing around.””
Yeah… you are going to have to come up with a better line. I tried that and my wife knew right away. I’m supposed to be working… ha…
You’ve been sucked in… enjoy the ride!
I think we have all learned a lot about KU basketball and basketball in general through this site. I know I’ve picked up a plethora of information on the game. Almost every day it feels like I am having a good conversation with a bunch of top notch coaches.
Easily… this is the best basketball site I visit!
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@drgnslayr I’m no coach…I’m a Rec league player…years ago.
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@Bwag figured you might. My son and his gf meet the band this past summer. Really sad!
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The William’s years at KU were either Nike or Nike Jordan to the best of my recollection, but I could be wrong, because there were some brands rising and falling during Roy’s KU ERA. Roy on Dean’s staff actually dates back to the origins of the Dean-Michael-Sonny-Phil days, or what I like to call the early Shoe World Order.
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I forgot! Is Landen back next season?
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@jaybate-1.0 yes
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@Bwag Its unbelievable to me, but you said you had a pass to all KU athletic events when you worked for the athletic dept, but then the IRS said it “needed to be taxed as a benefit” (!!?)
That just threw me, as I’m not sure how one arrives at a dollar amount for that? And, how would a game-pass actually get discovered by the IRS? And if KU put some value on it and reported it to the IRS, then you’d be paying taxes on a dollar amount, which you technically never received (you never had a choice to spend that money). You’d actually have to go into your personal funds to pay the % taxes on that dollar amt? (kind of like winning a car, which means you have to cover the fed tax out-of-pocket?) Just plain odd, imho…
I’m not a fan of the IRS tax code, and this seemed unfair to you.
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Interesting about the tickets as taxable income. My wife (a professor) was on the Athletics board for three years at the University of Tennessee, and she received two sets of season tickets to football, mens BB and womens BB. 2007-2009-ish years.
I know for a fact she didn’t get a 1099 MISC, but – just our of curiosity – sometime I’ll have to go back and check her W2s to see if there was a withholding for the ticket value.
Not THAT big a deal anyway. The fed tax paid would be less than buying tickets on the street from a scalper to a few games a year (which we had done in previous years).
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@DanR my son always tells me his tickets aren’t free. Pretty sure he’s taxed. I’ll ask, he’s wife’s a CPA.
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“I’m no coach…I’m a Rec league player…years ago.”
Nothing wrong with that… TT’s starting big man is a walk-on from rec league!
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@Crimsonorblue22 I know at KU they definitely are taxable income. I’m just curious if UT/ SEC used some loophole to get around it which wouldn’t surprise me one iota.
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Very interesting. As an Engineer, I am by definition a numbers person, but number have to be looked at and in context.
As you mentioned some stats for some of the player are somewhat irrelevant, such 3 pt. shooting for Bragg (at this time), since this not an area in which he is really expected to participate actively because of the plethora of capable KU players has in this area; however, this might be valuable in the future when he can become a stretch 4 that is now so popular.
Also, for the players that play only limited minutes, the number can be deceiving, For example, Greene can come in for a couple of minutes, hit 2 quick 3s and his numbers would be through the roof…or Hunter can play 4 or 5 minutes, get 2 or 3 quick fouls and his numbers would go to the proverbial crapper. For players that play regularly over 20 minutes and have played most games, at this stage of the season the numbers would be pretty good indicators, since the stats become much better with a bigger sample. You will notice that noted sports statisticians such as Sagarin and Pomeroy caveat their rankings/models by indicating that it takes well into the season before their models are somewhat stable…
Last , I will mention a quote by George Gallup, of the Gallup Poll fame and one of the foremost statistician of our generation…
"Not everything that can be counted counts; and not everything that counts can be counted."
This is very much applicable to players like Traylor whose type of contribution many times cannot be measured but it is very valuable nonetheless.
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@ralster which is why I think the benefit went away.
We probably have one of the most aggressive/powerful tax agencies in the world. If you look at expats who aren’t planning to come back, many renounce their citizenship so IRS doesn’t hassle their foreign banks and all their accounts.
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@DanR I was a bit player and was on my way out anyway. Never dug into the details.
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@drgnslayr No one was ever scouting me for organized college ball…and that goes for the other rec teams…but I hustled, smiled and talked trash!
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@Bwag - great effort to put together the table. BTW, do you have a count for #dunks by C5?
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@pa_grape no. Believe have to have access to advanced analytic s
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@pa_grape no. Néed access to advanced analytic sites to get those breakdowns
