KU VS Houston Game Chat
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@ROCKCHALK2025 lol. We go through this every year for a reason
its time for Bill to move on. -
I don’t think anyone would argue Bill does not belong in the HOF. He’s had an amazing run, and seems like a genuinely good person. Give him years to develop players and I’d take him over anybody.
But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that college ball has really changed in the last few years. Good players don’t stay for years anymore. I think the question is more - can we look at data over several years and conclude Bill has adapted to the changes? One or two seasons can be chalked up to a bad year, bad roster, or bad whatever.
But at some point it’s gets pretty hard to ignore the numbers. We’ve all seen professionals- athletes, actors, CEOs, etc., who tried to stay a bit too long past their prime. It’s a hard thing for anyone to come to grips with. And it’s hard for fans to see their heroes age.
I think better questions are when will Bill realize it? Cuz I don’t see him getting fired, maybe ever. And, can we afford anyone better? And in this new world, how do we know who is better?
When Micheal Jordan scored 69 points, I knew I’d always remember it as the night me and Micheal combined for 70 points — Stacey King, Former Bulls Player
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@FormerlyStlJhawk Agree. Game has changed. Other long-time coaches retired. Bill stayed thinking he could adapt and win another title. Change is difficult. I think Bill has discovered just how difficult it is.
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@FormerlyStlJhawk @jojoandme you both express it very well. Exactly. Huge love for the man. Give him a statue or a court. Keep him close to the program. Also think he could go to a smaller school and might be able to build a dangerous team. But his methodology no longer appears to be able to produce the consistency necessary at a top 10 school. And i dont think anyone here wants to not be a top 10 school any more, perennially, as long as that is achievable.
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@approxinfinity ok. --so as soon a we can find a coach who has accomplished as much as Bill has while at KU and wom as many National Championships then they have a gripe- -so what we going to do find a lateral Coach ?-- Please name me ANY other Coach that has done as much - -ooooh ya I almost forgot , these stud future Coach's must be alive to be considered for the job roflmmfao
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@ROCKCHALK2025 said in KU VS Houston Game Chat:
@approxinfinity ok. --so as soon a we can find a coach who has accomplished as much as Bill has while at KU and wom as many National Championships then they have a gripe- -so what we going to do find a lateral Coach ?-- Please name me ANY other Coach that has done as much - -ooooh ya I almost forgot , these stud future Coach's must be alive to be considered for the job roflmmfao
Not sure that is necessarily a prerequisite for finding a new coach. Look at Roy and Bill as prime examples. Just finding the right guy...
Not that i want him gone! But things have changed since 2022. Doesn't seem like a long time, but we're not on the same level. Maybe it's NIL, maybe it's Self, maybe it's conference realignment, maybe it's the players. But, we're not elite like we used to be.
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@rockchalkjayhawk All true the things we said, yet time moves on, we have added schools really good schools this is no cup cake central anymore for KU it isn't for anybody but you just have to keep plugging away,
As far as fit-- I guess we haven't found that fit EXCEPT for Bill then with him winning as much as he as-- -you are 1000 %correct a bunch of my buddies agree with me that says that NIL has ruined the College Basketball-- there is no such thing as College Basketball anymore-- it is now like the G league or over sea's play - -it's just a meat market and these players don't give a rats ass about who they play for as long as they get their money, They are there for one year so they don't give a flip. THAT- - sure in the hell miss the good old days of four year players and watch the development of the kid. when it was like the earlier years you could geet to see exactly how good a Coach really was by his work of developing a player you sure can't see that these days--kid doesn't stay long enough unless you hand over some bills.
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Money ruins everything not just sports.
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There are a few schools who seem to have adapted well to this new environment: Florida, UConn, Houston, Duke. Maybe Purdue, Arizona, Michigan, Arkansas... Gonzaga also continues to be a top team, though they are in a different situation and not sure it applies.
But for those programs in the P4 conferences, there's been consistency the past few years and it's probably worth studying them a bit to see if there's a model emerging.
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@bskeet i just unleashed Claude on the GM question a little bit… spoiler: several of those schools also dont have a gm.
The Comparative Picture
Here’s what the research surfaced about the programs on your list:
Programs with a Formal GM
- Duke — Rachel Baker was hired in 2022 when Scheyer took over, bringing Nike and NBA experience. Duke had the best recruiting class in the ACC heading into that season.
- UConn — Tom Moore had been serving in a dual assistant coach/GM role and shifted to full-time GM duties in 2025. He’s an internal guy — a long-time Hurley assistant who knows the culture.
- Arkansas — John Calipari brought Woolard, a long-time Kentucky staffer, over to Arkansas and named him general manager when he took the job.
- Michigan — A Dusty May confidant maintained assistant coach duties while doubling as Michigan’s general manager.
Programs without a GM
- Florida — Won the 2025 title without a formal GM. Their staff includes a Director of Basketball Operations and a Director of Basketball Strategy & Analytics, but no GM title. Todd Golden handles roster construction personally through collective “Florida Victorious.”
- Houston — No GM. Sampson has been blunt about budget limitations: “We have a poor athletic department. We’re poor… The way our recruiting is going, we have to stop at some point because we don’t have enough money.” Their success is coach-culture-driven.
- Arizona — No GM. Uses a traditional DOBO structure. Lloyd noted he was surprised by the scale of the NIL market explosion in 2025, navigating it without a dedicated front-office hire.
- Purdue — No GM found. Matt Painter’s model is built on development and in-state loyalty.
- Gonzaga — No GM. A new assistant AD/coaching role was created to handle NIL and financial literacy education, but nothing resembling a traditional GM structure — fitting for a small private school with a lower NIL budget.
- Kansas — Self explicitly chose not to hire a GM, instead promoting Jeremy Case to associate head coach and Lexi Price to Director of Operations.
The big pattern: The GM trend is real, but Florida’s 2025 championship and Houston’s title-game run prove it isn’t required. What the GM schools share is a willingness to treat the program like a franchise — separating roster/cap management from coaching. What the non-GM successes share (Florida, Houston, Arizona) is a head coach personally engaged in the NIL/portal process, often with elite-level cultural buy-in from players. Kansas sits awkwardly — declining to build the infrastructure while also struggling on the court lately, which makes Self’s choice more scrutinized.
