FINAL: Tracking the B12 Top teams to the End of Regular Season
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We are Arizona fans tonight against ISU.
If KU wins one game this week they would have the tiebreaker over ISU for a Top 4 seed.
If ISU wins then KU would need to win both games this week and hope for an ISU loss on Saturday at home or for Tech to lose both its games this week (very unlikely scenario).
So Wildcats take care of business for us.
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Arizona up 12 at the half. Hold on!
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If I'm thinking right then I'm not if I would rather see Iowa St or see them lose Thing is there is a good chance we could get the # four seed which in a way I would almost rather take the five --cause if we get the four seed and win the first game we would end up playing Arizona again in the wnd round which is one versus four.
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Arizona is the 2026 big 12 champs, putting Houston’s 2 year run to bed. I think Arizona is plenty talented but watching the last two games and how physical they are especially on the glass. A picky official could call a push in the back on almost every possession. I’m calling it now Arizona is out in round 2 of the ncaa tournament.
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Tech losing to tcu
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Updated standings. Insanity. TCU, Oklahoma State and K-State won. KU can't take advantage and stays tied with ISU at fourth.
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Was a prime chance to get to second or third in the conference and pissed it away almost instantly
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There doesn't seem to be any motivation to finish the season strong or control the controllables. We deserve whatever fate comes our way next week and the following
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@BeddieKU23 Right it’s like this team was rolling and was broken by the ISU loss. It’s crazy to me these guys much like the last two seasons show up and look like they’re being held against their will. No one is smiling no one is hustling no one is having fun at all. They look like me at my last job burnt out after 10 years but most of these guys have only been here for 8 months. It’s just crazy but the body language of the team suggests we will be very fortunate to win another game this season.
Some of the problem to me is coaching and scheduling. The coaching issue coincides with the scheduling. Bill gets his 7 guys he trust and will only play them in big games most the time. When you have a schedule like ours playing UNC, Dook, UConn and Tennessee before Christmas break it hurts development in the bench players. How many of us have screamed we have no bench this season? No we don’t have a bench because these guys have been failing asleep watching everyone else play 90% of the time. I just did some checking on our strength of schedule we have been in the top 5 a lot but years we were number 1 2005, 2019 and 2023, we could end up 1 this year by the time it’s done. We won 1 conference title in those years and went home first weekend on all of them. We are beating ourselves to death playing too hard of a schedule then playing in a loaded conference especially with Arizona and Houston here. Play some easier games early in the season, give the guys time to figure stuff out and develop a bench instead of playing a prime time match every single week.
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Been a long and challenging conference season. Not having any reliable post depth from the looks of it has burnt out Flory/Tiller. Both playing by far the most minutes of their careers so far. The lack of depth there impacts the rotations. We have guard depth, but we also see that depth be inconsistent. Nobody really looks 100% which is normal for this time of year, but they look like a tired/worn out bunch.
The schedule is brutal and isn't going away in the future from the looks of it. For KU, it's one of the ways they are trying to raise revenue. Playing in NIL tourney's/ scheduling aggressive home and aways, never backing down from a challenge. That's partly Bill and part strategy to keep KU competitive in the market and at the forefront of recruiting by playing the games that matter to TV and fans
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@BeddieKU23 great observation about post depth leading to inconsistent play for Flory and Bryson.
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Definitely needed one more big this season. We could still get 3rd in the conference if tech loses at byu and we beat k state. Both very plausible.
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Weren’t we picked like 6th or something wild like that?
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@BeddieKU23 yep I agree with your assessment, but still think swapping the UNC and UConn games for Omaha and UTEP may have gotten Mbiya more minutes to see what he can do/learn.
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I agree the schedule doesn't allow for development of certain players. Catch 22 of balance.
I'd argue back that we should have gotten a big with more experience and not a project. It was fully known he was a project signee and still is one. Now getting such big in the portal with experience was expensive and funds ran low after paying Flory to return with a bump, the DP situation and others. However, I think we chose the fate and lived with it by not jumping on some others they were linked to earlier in the process. We got what we got because we waited months. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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I was worried this would occur and it's certainly looking like it's coming back to haunt us now.
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@BeddieKU23 for sure I’ve been saying since last summer we needed another big. I think I brought up a Tarik Black type guy to help these young fellas learn. Flory has a very ceiling but watching the last two games, he has a ton to learn. But is just a sophomore and will get there at some point. Not sure if if he is in a Kansas jersey when he does.
Edit: 3 years and I’m very tired of it not working lol
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We both were saying that last summer and all we got was Mbiya. The size and stuff was intriguing but that's just looking like a bad take for what you needed for that spot.
Agree on year 3. I've went through various stages of PTSD from the last 2 yrs, finally felt like believing in this team the last few months and now it's not looking good
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@BeddieKU23 in retrospect what is the reasonable ideal haul we could have had?
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Really made me think back to last summer. The one overall theme I didn't understand was Self was hot and heavy after a high scoring wing even after it was known he'd only have Flory and Tiller. The kid that signed with Duke then ended up in the Draft (Coward I think his name was) was one of the early big targets. They did everything they could to land Darrion Williams from Tech who landed at NC State, but money was the issue late (Self was out hunting boosters for money for him) and he was in that White mold, a big wing/small ball 4. There was also the push for Keyshawn Hall for a while (UCF transfer landed at Auburn) but I think most of us agreed he wasn't a good fit here + he was super expensive. They swung and missed on a bunch of top targets.
As for Bigs there wasn't a lot of traction with many especially for a backup role. That's the issue I had, there didn't seem to be urgency to get one at all. We heard that a scoring wing was the priority to pair with Petersons scoring. Shawn Phillips who was at Arizona St (landed at Methzu) was a familiar name for a while, but the big man market quickly became too expensive, or they just didn't feel like that was the best use of funds? Malique Ewin was another name, he was also looking for a good payday after a good year at FSU. I had heard they sniffed around Luke Bamgboye who landed at Tech who's doing a good job filling in for Toppin but that they were concerned with his body type. He was certainly the kind of big KU likes (athletic, runs the floor, rim protector).
KU shifted to Euro prospects like Mbiya who initially went to NC State before some enrollment issue happened, the Dessert kid who wasn't eligible, there was another one I forget his name that also an eligibility concern (plus the VISA issue). It kind of felt like they were "dumpster diving" in a way at the big position. But we have to remember after they paid Peterson, Flory, White, Council & Dawson there wasn't a ton of money floating around so that's perhaps all they could afford. But then they went and spent a good amount on Rosario who reclassed up after a strong AAU summer & that was an expensive play. I bet Rosario's money could have gone to a big, but the staff felt otherwise.
Personally, I felt like they needed an experienced Big with physical size to pair with the young Flory/Tiller combo. Someone that can board/dunk and foul when needed. Morez Johnson was a good fit who landed at Michigan after a good freshman year at Illinois (big dude but was also young). I also liked Amani Hansberry as a 4 (West Virginia transfer went to Va Tech), & Bamgboye as mentioned above. Michael Rataj (landed at Baylor) was another they were interested in at the 4 for a bit.
Flory plays the most minutes out of any center in the Big-12 now that Toppin is done for the year and near the top nationally for the position. Given his versatility defending out to the perimeter he's been asked to do a lot without a lot of help.
