Odds On Diallo
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I am going to have to agree to disagree with both of you Cheick Diallo is super human on the basketball court!
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When I went from HS to college I was unprepared for that step. My HS counselor (who I should have sued) told me I was ready for university, so I loaded up on sports study halls in my senior year. Yes, I graduated HS, no I was not prepared for university. When I was accepted in university, the first thing I had to do was take a bunch of no-credit prep courses… stuff I should have taken in HS.
I doubt much has changed since then. I thought I was prepared, and I wasn’t. I wasted half of a college year taking HS classes. My parents asked me if I was ready, and I told them ‘yes’ because I thought I was.
So much false information travels around in these circles. People need to be held accountable. Currently, they aren’t. We can blame the NCAA for everything, but truth is, they only handle monitoring and enforcement. I don’t know if things have changed since my HS days… but back then, you were considered a counselor if someone called you one. These positions are very important and they should have to be qualified and accredited.
We are only experiencing what some D1 athletes are troubled with. It is just a peephole into the much larger problem everywhere.
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@drgnslayr our counselors are highly educated these days. I can only speak for public schools.
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But things have changed since then. The amount of information readily available on the Internet is light years ahead of what was even 20 years ago. Back then, I had to drive to a college, pick up a (course) catalog and set up an interview with an admission counselor if I had any questions or I could do things via regular mail and it took a long time. If you were lucky and your parent account allowed long distance calls (pricey back then) you could cut some time by using the phone. Now we can access all of this information on line and we can communicate with the school (and NCAA) via e-mail or even texts…all of this from your cell phone!
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A smart phone in the 70’s was a push button unit instead of the rotary dial…
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Even though I often work in technology, I have always hated smart phones and all phones. There is no place to run and hide. I loved it when all of the carriers had dead cell spaces (and before GSM phones in the USA) so I could always claim I didn’t receive a call.
My grand dad was a farmer in western Kansas and he called them by their rightful name: nuisance boxes. This goes back to the early brick phones (actually, more the size of cinder blocks). He later defined televisions with the same name.
Today I barely use any of our data allotment. My wife keeps telling me… “you wouldn’t know what to do if you didn’t have it.” My simple reply: “I would SMILE if I didn’t have one!”
I had an old clam shell phone until two years ago when we had our first child. Wife made me go for an iPhone. I’ve been sorry ever since. Now everyone sends me texts and expects a response, but I’m slow. Probably faster if I lit a fire and sent smoke signals. Are there laws preventing inner-state smoke signals?
BTW: I do this site on a desktop computer!
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@JayHawkFanToo Seriously, where do people like you come from? You’re all talk. I do work in the private sector. I own my own firm. And I do micromanage details. It’s what’s made me successful. When my career relies on my professional work product, I micromanage it. But of course, the idea of micromanagement might be too complicated for you.
Now, if you’re someone who comes from a background of working on team projects, that would explain your perspective. And it makes sense in that dynamic. But when you’re the leader, the CEO, the one in charge, things change a bit.
Micromanaging doesn’t mean you don’t take advice, or rely upon others. It means you attend to the important details yourself. And you control the details.
Bill Self, for sure, is a micromanager. That is obvious. Watch him during the game. Who calls the plays? Who runs the huddles? Heck, he can barely give his players freedom to run things outside of the offense. He’s the king. Have you ever seen one of his practices? I have. He runs everything. This in contrast to some other coaches we see. And it’s not a fault all the time. I am quite sure that Bill Self is well versed in compliance issues.
How about Bill Snyder? He’s a famous micromanager, even ensuring that butter is heated to the right temperature so it will spread easily at team meals.
So, when Self’s on his private plane hopping between recruiting destination, he has no time to be abreast of recruiting rules and regs? That is ridiculous. And it is ridiculous to suggest that Bill Self is too busy to deal with this stuff. Yes, I want my basketball coach to know the rules. I agree that you have to rely upon folks to help, of course. And you have to delegate many things. But when it comes to your livelihood, you better be the one that knows what he/she is doing. Because the buck stops with you. Some people have never had to deal with that in their professional life.
I question whether you are correct on this point – you say that “the NCAA will not disapprove a class that was listed as approved on its site retroactively.” You cited the portal that I had provided a few weeks back.
How do you know this? At Diallo’s school, wasn’t that all supposedly ok’d and now the NCAA is investigating if there were issues with the coursework? It doesn’t make sense to me the that the NCAA would say “ok” and because the portal said heading in that year the class was ok, it is still ok. It looks like there are many reasons a course can be found to be inadequate.
And this site is a guide.
When you go to American Heritage’s portal, it says this, “This program is under an extended evaluation period to determine if it meets the academic requirements for NCAA cleared status. During this evaluation period, the courses listed below may be subject to further review on a case-by-case basis, which will require additional academic documentation.”
That means that all of the courses they say are ok are under review.
And then the site specifically says, “The list of NCAA courses, and courses contained within, are maintained as a guide for prospective student-athletes seeking NCAA initial-eligibility. **The list of approved courses does not, nor is intended to, signify accreditation, certification, approval or endorsement of any high school or specific courses by the NCAA or NCAA Eligibility Center and is subject to change at any time and without notice.**Core course information included on this Web site is provided for guidance purposes only and should not be solely relied on as an indication of NCAA initial-eligibility. Certification of a prospective student-athlete is case-specific, and the Eligibility Center has the authority to determine in its sole discretion whether the prospective student-athlete has met all criteria.”
Clearly (except maybe to you) this is obvious. Please, tell me how you don’t concede that you are wrong? Think hard. You said, “You posted a link to the NCAA site where every HS is listed and a list of approved and not approved classes at each school is readily available.”
You posted this as the gospel. That it was that simple.
But you didn’t read the fine print.
Further, the portal of Diallo’s school only lists that the courses are good – “ok” through 2011-12.
The course work is now under “review”. And it would seem that review could spell possible eligibility problems after the fact, meaning after the time he took classes that appeared ok on this list. And the NCAA does not even represent that this portal approves coursework.
This is the exact point I made, the one you evaded. You think because a course is listed then it is approved and that decision can’t be changed. That is silly. Again, the portal says through 2011-12. And it says it is a guide and NOT certification of any course. My point was that upon review, a course could be determined inadequate. That’s exactly what the review is about, and why it is concerning.
To prove my point further, go to the portal. Click on “show all denied courses.” You’ll then hit the drop down that shows the “denied reasons code description.” You’ll see that there are courses now denied because 'the course is taught below the regular academic level." There are other items too, most all of which could have been entered after an academic review.
The point is that a kid really could be innocent in all of this. I realize you believe you were an extraordinary 17 year old. Some kids may not be to your extraordinary level. But even extraordinary kids can’t place reliance on a portal that is a guide.
This is why I said a kid could be “innocent.” Would Diallo be “innocent” under that scenario? If he thought everything was good, but then it wasn’t?
And, again, if your argument here is correct, then you lose the “Bill Self knew or should have known” discussion. Because the info you cite in the would have been definitive.
On the release, of course, you didn’t mention the release because “we both know (it) is an option.” Sure. Whatever you say. And you argue just to argue now asking how many kids “thousands of miles away from home” get their parents input. Gotcha. I’m sure none. I’m sure they just shut their parents out, and their parents are disinterested. Give me a break.
It was you just a few weeks ago arguing that privacy laws prevented coaches from getting school info, and then you were enlightened on the release issue. You didn’t even say thank you. Now it’s old hat to you – so much so, that we are to assume that you are considering that when you are ranting about how parents can’t get information on their 18+ year old kid’s schooling. I would dare say that an 18 year old kid denying his parents access to school info is the significant exception, rather than rule. But I’m sure you’ll disagree with that too.
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@HighEliteMajor @JayHawkFanToo Well I am just happy that you are both more informed than I and I can see both sides of an issue of two knowledgeable people!
Some may consider this argument not a good thing. But I enjoy reading such in-depth comments by both of you. Keep it up!
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Damn! Way to wield reason!
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@HighEliteMajor One of the best guides in history for small businesses is the Rule of St. Benedict. He made the Abbot responsible for everything, mentioning specifically details like fitting the habits.
The NCAA now agrees with St. Benedict and makes the head coach responsible for the actions of his assistants.
Coach Wooden taught his players how to put on their socks right.
I met a player from KU’s 1969 Orange Bowl team. He said that season the team worked hard on basic fundamentals. The following year there was less emphasis on the details and they went downhill.
Micromanagement rules!
St. Benedict also insisted on the critical importance of recruiting. If you’re going to micromanage something, that’s it.
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I’ve only been an employee once after finishing college. It was a big corp and was bought out a year later and they laid off everyone in our department. I said it then and I kept to my word… I would never be an employee again. That was back in the '80s.
I’ve always had to micromanage. There is a line that stays moving and that is the line with the right amount of micromanagement. Too much and employees can’t breath and no longer feel like they have to be responsible. Not enough and you are asking for trouble! My customers expect me to micromanage, because they know the job will get done right the first time.
I have a manufacturing company and this week I’m spending my time on the plant floor, 100% involved in fixing two of our production machines. If I don’t do it, it won’t be done right. No one cares more about it than me. We have big orders coming soon and that equipment needs to be fixed right. Our operators and plant manager just doesn’t have the creativity to make the right decisions on things like this.
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Dick Vitale @DickieV · 13h13 hours ago
Totally amazes me how the NCAA takes forever in determining eligibility for kids like @cheick_diallo13 who speaks 4 languages fluently.
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CHEICK DIALLOS MOTOR @CheicksMotor · 12h12 hours ago
@DickieV @cheick_diallo13 FREE CHEICK DIALLO! #CHEICKYOSELF #KUBBALL
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That reminds me of Selby. Somewhere in my stack of Jayhawk tshirts is a “FREE SELBY” shirt. My memory is as thin as a runway model… did Selby also have academic issues and trouble clearing? I can’t recall.
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@drgnslayr took money. That’s why he only missed 9 games.
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@drgnslayr Selby was at the BBQ that led to Bruce Pearl getting fired from Tennessee. He also took about $6,000 in benefits which is why Selby was suspended.
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@Statmachine Sorry I can’t give that face a +1
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@drgnslayr perfect!
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@drgnslayr said:
How about now? After a “Jayhawk silencer” is installed…
LOL! Holy Cow that is a funny photo! He looks like he is going to swallow that mini ball whole!
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Yes… it looks like that is going to happen, but we all know the outward flow of BS is at such a high pressure it is just a matter of time before he blows the ball out like a champagne cork on a bottle of nitro.
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KC Star just put out an article…Self is “Confident” CD will play this year.
www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article32932146.html
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The Eubanks deal stems from his time spent as a 9-11th grader at the prior high school American Heritage and not his time at OSNA that caused issues. He only spent his senior year at OSNA and that’s when he committed to and then decommitted from Baylor. AH sent a transcript to OSNA when he attended there that had a GPA of 2.5. Then when he applied to Baylor OSNA sent their transcript with that AH one included. Well AH also sent their own to Baylor but this time he had a 2.37… NCAA red flagged that and he went to prep school… He spent last year at the Elev8 (formerly the Bucky Dent Baseball Academy) bball factory. Guess going to a joke of a prep school didn’t help him fix those GPA issues.
I think that is why Self was happy getting Vick and KU backed way off of Eubanks. Add to that Davon Dillard gets cleared (aka the Okie lite kid) and all of this is probably why Self feels confident.
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@clevelandjayhawk My favorite part is that Self says Diallo forces everyone to play at a higher tempo. This is the area where Bill Self has never taken advantage of the talents of his team at KU. KU is annually more athletic than all but a handful of teams out there, but we frequently see Self prefer to play games in 50’s and 60’s which allows inferior teams to hang around and have a better shot at upsetting KU. I would love to see KU regularly play in the 70’s and 80’s and take more advantage of their athleticism and play at a faster tempo.
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We prob wont have to worry too much about the shot clock if he is on the court!
With all of our weapons and depth we could really run teams out of the building, they may counter with zone, but we could counter with 3 ball and Perry form the short corner
CD is the only thing missing so far, but its a long season till March
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Wish I could push the like button 100 times more for your post. So right on.
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@clevelandjayhawk I like the sound of that article, gives me even more confidence we will see Super Cheick on the court this year. “Pushing pace better than any PG weve had.” That is some killer props from the coach.
We get Cheick, we get to the Final Four. We get Cheick, we ground and pound the UK Kitties in January at AFH. Although, we may do that anyways.
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That article mentions things that seem to address some of the issues discussed on this lengthy thread - Self mentions that Chieck did everything that was asked of him at school, and now the ncaa is investigating essentially the curriculum of the school, and may be backlogged on individual cases.
Also, im guessing that Self does not, at least in the early recruiting stages , personally delve into the details of a particular athete’s eligibility. He has staff to do that, and then im guessing they usually give him a report on potential issues and probabilities. In the example of a big fish like Cheick, he would eventually step in, make some calls, and get as much info as he needs to because he of course is responsible at the end of the day. Again just my guess…
