Poor Embiid
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I hope things start getting better for Joel…he has been through a lot.
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@JayHawkFanToo amen to that! What a gift he has, hopefully he gets to show that talent off some day!! I only pray that somebody is helping him deal w/all of this, plus his brothers death.
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I have a hunch that much like Yao Ming, his career will be very good but very short due to his foot issue.
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@JayHawkFanToo don’t say that!
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I wish my words and thoughts could change things for him but unfortunate they cannot…:(
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
I hope things start getting better for Joel…he has been through a lot.
i can only imagine…going to bed with a lot of hot women on a big pile of money…must be rough.
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So… people shouldn’t feel bad for Embiid because he can afford to not fulfill his potential and still get laid? Because in the end that’s all that matters? Come on dude. Let’s get off the basement floor.
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We all got robbed by Embiids injury. He should be a national treasure. His moves on the court should inspire future generations as Hakeem did. Luckily for him he was able to cash in.
I feel sorry for Embiid losing his brother; I wish Joel could play basketball, but it’s not the end of the world. As far as bedding hot women, you don’t need basketball skills, money, or even male parts to do that…
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@Crimsonorblue22 wow that sucks to hear about JoJo having another surgery. Looks like it wouldn’t have mattered if he stayed or not since he wouldn’t have played last year and won’t play this year.
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@JayHawkFanToo I really hope he doesn’t. That would be incredibly said. With his skillset he has a chance to be in the upper echelon of NBA players not just for this current generation but historically. When he pulled off that dream shake it was a thing of beauty.
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@dylans That’s the perfect way of putting it. Robbed. That’s exactly how I feel. It would have been special to watch him and I hold out hope that we will be able to see him live up to his potential.
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Yao had a short but very profitable career. If Embiid’s career ends without having played one game, based on his first contract alone he probably will make several time what the average person makes in a lifetime of hard work, so financially he is set. However, knowing what he could have done on the court and was not able to will always weigh heavy on him.
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@JayHawkFanToo said:
If Embiid’s career ends without having played one game, based on his first contract alone he probably will make several time what the average person makes in a lifetime of hard work, so financially he is set.
A business has revenue and profit. No one is surprised if profit is a lot less than revenue.
When we look at a player’s salary, we think of that as profit. In fact, it is revenue.
Players have to pay agents and trainers among others, in addition to helping family with their first contract.
I would be curious to know what percentage of Embiid’s contract is actually net profit for him that he can live on in the future. Half? A third? Just wondering.
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Profit is ALWAYS less than revenue and applies to a business enterprise…I suppose you can think of a pro player that way. For salary we usually think in terms of gross and net rather than revenue and profit. Uncle Sam probably gets the biggest chunk of money. Many pro athletes relocate to states like Florida or Texas that do not have a State Income tax and can save a considerable amount of money. Also, a good agent will help the client shelter the money to minimize taxes.
Now, family and posse…that is a different ball game altogether…
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@approxinfinity said:
So… people shouldn’t feel bad for Embiid because he can afford to not fulfill his potential and still get laid? Because in the end that’s all that matters? Come on dude. Let’s get off the basement floor.
hey…i don’t recall anyone feeling bad for conner coz he couldn’t fulfill his potential and he was on the KU team much longer than Embiid, but in his case, it was- don’t let the door hit you on your way out. Just funny how the double standard here works.
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@elpoyo My vision is not the best, but I’m not seeing a double standard. Embiid couldn’t fulfill his potential because of injury and CF couldn’t fulfill his because he was a whiny baby and wanted to play for coach slimeball.
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@elpoyo That comment may be suitable for KUSports, well actually, not even there. It’s simply one of the most outrageous statements I’ve ever seen on this site.
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Guy, guys … easy on @elpoyo – I think his comment could also be interpreted as referencing the fact that there are a lot of people, in a lot of bad situations, and maybe it isn’t worth shedding tears for a guy who did get his first lottery contract, and has a pretty darn good situation. I wish him well but I don’t feel sorry for him one bit. He is very lucky to have made the wise choice to leave when he did. He essentially leaves college with as much money as someone who nets $100,000 per year for 30 years (or something like that) in the bank without working a day in his post-college life.
I feel sorry for Josh Selby, personally. Bad advice, bad adult guidance, bad deal.
Embiid, not so much.
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@JayHawkFanToo He will be financially set if he doesn’t blow his money. A large majority of athletes end up broke which is sad. I hope he doesn’t become a part of that statistic just as much as I hope that we actually get to see him play and he gets that big second contract.
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Agreed. This why I indicated that a good agent will help him manage his money wisely, but when it comes to family and “friends”… sometime there is no answer for that.
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@HawkInMizery you are exactly right! I know Embiids dad seems to be successful, just hopefully he has a hand in there w/financial help. I think bb is more to Embiid than just money. Money doesn’t always lead to happiness. It does SEEM the 76’ers have embiid’s best interest at heart. He is just a young kid in a foreign land w/an incredible talent and a rough last year!
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@Crimsonorblue22 Not to argue with you, but last year may very well be the best year of Joel Embiid’s entire life. Here’s his contract details
Money may not “always” lead to happiness. And I don’t “always” like pizza – only about 99% of the time.
I underestimated his wealth, even with taxes, agent, etc.
Alternatively, he could have stayed in Africa and enjoyed all that continent has to offer.
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I recall a survey a few years ago about happiness and money- i think it was conducted in the us canada, and most of europe- When people make enough money to eat, pay their bills and can live fairly comfortably (i.e a lower to high middle class income) they are obviously happier than those who struggle to make enough to live. But beyond that level of income, there is no measurable increase in happiness, and some strong evidence to suggest that being rich can add to stress and unhappiness.
I was able to see this firsthand growing up - i spent time every year with my grandfather in palm beach- he was quite wealthy and all his circle of friends and societal connections were mostly old money american names. I socialized with ther kids and they were pretty much all messed up- depressed, insecure, dependent on drugs, searching for purpose, kinda pathetic. They used their wealth like a pretty woman who has nothing else going for her uses her looks.
I can only guess, but maybe a guy like Embiid really doesnt need to be rich to be happy and fulfill his ambitions. Wouldnt be surprised if he gave a lot of money to african related causes.
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@Bosthawk nice write, so true!
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Embiid’s ceiling is much greater than Conner’s; as @dylans expressed best, Embiid has the potential to be a national treasure. Embiid’s work ethic is greater, his contributions to the team were greater, his sense of humor was greater, among other things.
Of course, we’re fans and the personal story makes us root for the guy who played behind Dakari Johnson in high school, but exploded onto the national stage for us after playing only 3 years of basketball and was breathtaking before injury. I like that guy over the guy who struggled at Kansas on and off the court and transferred to Wichita State because he thought that’s a better opportunity for him. Not that I hate on Conner for that, it’s just not a compelling story at all.
There’s no double standard that I see here. Conner just wasn’t as likeable a Jayhawk as Embiid.
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From what I’ve seen of elpoyo on here, he seems to have quite a bit of troll in him.
@HighEliteMajor I’m the exact opposite on feeling bad for Selby and Embiid. I don’t feel sorry for Selby because all of his problems were self inflicted because he was too stubborn to realize he needed a second year of college. I do feel bad for Embiid because his issues haven’t been self inflicted. His foot issues are the result of him just being bigger than his body can handle and that’s something that has ended many great big men’s careers and Embiid appears to be the latest victim of this.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 don’t forget he lost his brother on top of his injury.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 On Selby, I think we forget that the kid was how old? It’s the same discussion we have here regularly.
Think of it this way. If you were Selby’s advisor (vs. the one that latched on to him in 7th grade) where might he be in life now? These kids have a lot of people influencing them. But I readily concede, all kids have to take ownership of their decisions. Their decisions can certainly lack in maturity and perspective. I just think in Selby’s case, if he were to have been blessed with good advice and guidance, his path would have been much different.
And why do you think Embiid’s foot issues are the result of just being bigger than his body can handle? Have you read that, or seen that a doctor or someone around Embiid has attributed it to that? I understand that your suggestion might be logical. I just haven’t seen it connected to Embiid.
I posted this before – I believe his foot issue now is the direct result of the knee injury his freshman year here, and Kansas rushing him back too soon. The kid had a knee injury, he compensated for that knee injury by running, jumping and landing differently. That put pressure on his back and his opposing foot, the same one that he has the issues with now. Thus a stress fracture. There were no traumatic injuries. There were some story inconsistencies related to his back, that seemed to change as time went on. I personally think this is on the KU med staff, but admit that is just connecting dots.
Of course, the stress fracture in his foot may not be related at all. But the pattern does seem to fit quite nicely to explain his back and foot injuries. I point this out regularly because I mentioned the risk when we rushed him back from his knee.
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@HighEliteMajor With Embiid’s foot, it’s the same bone that ended Yao Ming’s and Bill Walton’s careers after they their abilities greatly reduced by this injury. The explanation we kept getting here in Houston about Yao’s foot was that his body was too big for the navicular bone to handle. Whether that’s because his foot suze, bone density or whatever, that’s something I don’t know and haven’t researched at all so I can’t help in that regard.
Embiid may eventually play in the NBA, but he’ll never play to the potential he showed at KU and his career will likely end his career much sooner than we all would like.
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@Crimsonorblue22 I heard he reached out to Kevin Durant about his surgery. Didnt KD have the same or similar foot surgery that Embiid will have? No reason JoJo cant come back from it too.
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@Lulufulu I think KD had a bone graft, think that’s what they were checking out. Not positive, probably someone knows.
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@Lulufulu http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2547417-kevin-durant-reveals-unknown-bone-break-in-foot-but-says-hes-healthy-now
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@Lulufulu Different surgeries and different bones. Kevin Durant’s bone break was connected to his little toe near the ball of his foot. Embiid’s break is a bone on the heel side of the arch that has to support much more weight than the bone Durant broke.
They are two different injuries with Embiid’s being one that has a very poor track record in regards to ever fully recovering from unfortunately.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 It would be unwise to simply suggest that this fracture is related to his size.
The leading cause of such fractures are overuse and … very importantly … incorrect technique. The act of jumping and landing over and over are big risk factors. But Embiid had been doing this for quite some time in his life. Certainly that can take a toll (but normal body processes heal that pounding). Taking an inordinate amount of your body weight, on one foot, can change the dynamic. That can happen when a player is protecting the other leg. Thus incorrect technique.
Another required factor in stress fractures is the very nature of a stress fracture, which is the body not healing the fractures as they occur properly. This has nothing to do with size. If it did, every big person playing basketball would have this occur. The fact is, it is very, very rare.
Finally, on this “feeling sorry” thing for Embiid that @Crimsonorblue22 seems to be championing, I just read today at kusports.com that he has a $5 million insurance policy for permanent disability from basketball – tax free. On top of his $9 million in contract money (say that nets to $4.5 million – total with insurance policy, $9.5 million).
And it is just silly to say “money doesn’t buy happiness.” Money, generally, helps. Money eliminates multiple negative aspects from one’s life. Personally, I don’t worry about food. I don’t worry about shelter. I don’t worry about supporting my family. I don’t have many of the stressors that many folks have. That increases the quality of my life. It doesn’t buy me happiness. But it helps. Of course, there are miserable rich people and very happy poor people. That proves no point. Here’s a link to one little study that fits my narrative.
We have a young man that is set for life in Embiid. He is in the top 1% right now, and never has to fall from that perch. The rest is up to him. But he never should have to worry about food, shelter, supporting his family. And heck, he can make sure he has homes in locations that make him happy.
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@HighEliteMajor Embiid shouldn’t have any money worries, true.
He was given to hope that he could have an exciting, fulfilling life playing basketball at an extremely high level. Now he can’t go to work for two years in a row, is uncertain about his professional future and is dealing with the death of a younger brother while forcibly idle.
Having great expectations dashed, being stuck idle for two years, losing a loved one: that hurts even when you are financially secure.
Not to mention the selfish wish on our part to see him realize the amazing potential we glimpsed at KU.
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@ParisHawk said:
Not to mention the selfish wish on our part to see him realize the amazing potential we glimpsed at KU.
How is it selfish to want to see someone reach their full potential in life? It doesn’t matter if someone is a pro athlete, accountant, lawyer, homemaker, or a cashier, we should all want people to strive to reach their full potential regardless of career or profession.
What’s selfish is not wanting someone to reach their full potential and encouraging them to be dependant on others to survive. Not everyone will reach their full potential for various reasons, but wishing someone to reach their full potential is not selfish.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Whoa, podner! By “selfish” I simply meant Embiid gave us great pleasure with his quick progress and occasional out-of-nowhere moves. I for one would be pleased to see more of that in the NBA, in addition to my “selfless” wish for his own happiness and fulfillment.
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@ParisHawk I think you guys are on the same page.
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@Texas-Hawk-10 Ohhhh. Well thats no good. Im still holding out hope that our boy can get back on the court some day.
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@HighEliteMajor And you can be sure that nothing will stop him from giving back to his home town and country. He can help them as much as he wants to now.
Personally, I want to see him play ball and prove all the “bust” labelers wrong. But, I guess in the grand scheme of things, its insignificant.
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Interesting side line…Apparently Embiid’s injury is not covered by the Sixers insurance so they are picking up the entire tab for the two guaranteed years in his contract.
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@approxinfinity said:
Embiid’s ceiling is much greater than Conner’s; as @dylans expressed best, Embiid has the potential to be a national treasure. Embiid’s work ethic is greater, his contributions to the team were greater, his sense of humor was greater, among other things.
Of course, we’re fans and the personal story makes us root for the guy who played behind Dakari Johnson in high school, but exploded onto the national stage for us after playing only 3 years of basketball and was breathtaking before injury. I like that guy over the guy who struggled at Kansas on and off the court and transferred to Wichita State because he thought that’s a better opportunity for him. Not that I hate on Conner for that, it’s just not a compelling story at all.
There’s no double standard that I see here. Conner just wasn’t as likeable a Jayhawk as Embiid.
National treasure? LMAO… i know he’s a KU favorite, but lets not blow $hit out of proportion.
you mention injury’s for Embiid…Conner was injured too, but because he isn’t so high profile, KUsports didn’t dedicate posts and posts about it.
and its ok for Embiid to leave KU for a better opportunity in the NBA vs Conner seeking a better opportunity else where?
Conner was a much better athlete/player…he was severely mis managed; One of the biggest knock on Self used to be he one-dimensionalizes players. I used to not believe it at all, but not so sure know. Conner showed a glimpse of what he’s capable of at the end of the Stanford game. Bill Self knew he messed up with Conner because he didn’t place any restrictions on where conner could go…he said himself.
Conner not as likeable as a jayhawk? why because he didn’t make tons of stupid twitter posts and constantly act like a child? did you even know conner personally or ever met him or his parents? I have and can guarantee they are much nicer people than where you come from.
Its funny how like the Beiber fans (beliebers) and Beyonce fans ( BeyHive), the Selfers continue to blindly promote and support Self without ever actually realizing what they are doing or what they stand for.
hey, keep it at i guess.
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@elpoyo You have many good points. And I like the points you made, but please keep the language clean. Cheers.
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Interesting. You claim to know Frankamp (and family) and yet you don’t know the real reason why he left. I understand the real reason he left was kept very quiet in deference to Conner and so not to jeopardize his chances of landing at another program and I respect that, but it had nothing to do with Coach Self “mismanaging” Conner and everything to do with Conner. Some poster are aware of what happen but in deference to the kid I will not mention it either.
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@elpoyo Alright… Alright.
and its ok for Embiid to leave KU for a better opportunity in the NBA vs Conner seeking a better opportunity else where?
It’s a fair point that Wichita State might end up being a better opportunity for Conner, but the circumstances couldn’t be more different… Conner’s unforseen departure in the offseason to a Wichita State team that just beat us in the tournament doesn’t make a KU fan want to root for him. It is not as compelling as a guy giving us his all and going to the league. I mean, there may be a great story about Conner that makes me say “you know what, that kid is alright.” So far, I haven’t read it. In the meantime, do you expect KU fans to root for Conner at Wichita State?
Conner was a much better athlete/player…
I’m assuming you mean “than what he got a chance to show us when benched/injured” and not “than Embiid”, because I don’t think the latter would make much sense. So your point is that if we saw what Conner was capable of as a player, we’d have rooted for him more. Which is probably true, except we didn’t see that at Kansas, and now he’s at Wichita State.
Conner not as likeable as a jayhawk? why because he didn’t make tons of stupid twitter posts and constantly act like a child?
Embiid’s a pretty funny guy. And Conner tweets as much as Embiid… It’s just not very interesting to me. I don’t care how much Drake Conner listens to; I’d rather read Embiid saying that he killed a lion with his bare hands. Which one is imaginative and which one sounds like every other college kid?
As for how nice I am or Conner is, that has nothing to do with anything, and discredits your post. Comparing Embiid to Conner is a stretch, but debatable. Comparing me to Conner’s family is trolling. I think what you’re trying to say is that Conner is as nice as they come, and maybe that’s true, but we didn’t get to see much of that while he was here. I think most of the kids Self recruits are pretty good kids, and I didn’t see Conner separating himself in that regard in any notable way (other than transferring to Wichita State).
Its funny how like the Beiber fans (beliebers) and Beyonce fans ( BeyHive), the Selfers continue to blindly promote and support Self without ever actually realizing what they are doing or what they stand for.
This thread was about Embiid, not about supporting Self. You’ve equated supporting Embiid with somehow being a knock against Frankamp, which seems to be what you really want to discuss: the mistreatment of Frankamp. And I do think there’s a valid argument to be made that Frankamp was mishandled, and it will be very interesting to see if he can get comfortable at Wichita State, and I don’t think failure/success at Wichita State means that we made the right/wrong decisions at Kansas with him. I was very excited when Frankamp came to KU. I thought he had a bright future with us, he seemed to always want to be a Jayhawk growing up, and I’m sorry it didn’t work out. That being said, it isn’t going to make me root any less for the Lion Killer, Joel Embiid.
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JoJo is going to be fine.
He made the right decision to leave when he did. He is the poster child for guys leaving early to reduce some injury risk. And we have examples of guys (like Josh Selby) who misplayed their one big moment and added risk by leaving early.
JoJo will either heal and play ball, or he won’t heal well enough to play and he’ll do something else. Whatever happens, he is a young man that will get a better start in his adult life than most young men will have. Good for him!
My personal feeling… we haven’t heard the last from JoJo Embiid!
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