Blog link found on Diallo eligibility concerns.
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@HighEliteMajor naaaah
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@konkeyDong said:
Coach Self was obviously rather frustrated when his 2011 class was cut in half by eligibility issues, and he’s been said to have vowed to never send papers to a kid that he wasn’t sure he could get eligible again
Coach Self has never before felt such sustained effects of an apparent domestic OAD/5-Star Big Man drought/embargo, as this season.
What you say above makes a lot of sense under conditions when Self has credible D1 Elite Major players to fall back on
But presently, Coach Self has at the 5 two projects and a transfer that was not wanted at Arkansas, for a second straight season.
We love these three guys for their hearts and gameness, but they would not be threats to join the rotations of UK, or Duke, this season, even during what some are calling UK’s and Duke’s “down” seasons.
This is getting scary. Like walking thin ice two winters in a row and now anticipating some risk of having to do it a third.
In a pinch, Self could slide 4-star freshman Carlton Bragg to the 5, but that would be asking rather a lot of freshman Bragg base on what we saw in Sur Korea; i.e., to be the anchor rebounder, post defender and rim protector as a freshman muscling against blue meanie upper classmen in the Big 12 of the kind Tough Tubbie and Tougher Trent use on green wood. And those are just the cellar dwellers of the Big 12.
Were it not for a 5-star in-stater, Designing Perry Ellis, imagine the hives Self would have entering this season.
And Self is nothing if not a forward looking (and planning) fellow.
Knowing that he struck out on signing any grade of footer this past season, and knowing that Perry, Hunter and Traylor are gone for sure after this season, and Lucas and transfer Colby are it for next season, imagine the pressure on Self to sign Diallo even just for some sizzle alone, but also for the long shot chance he might mind control Diallo into come back, if DIallo were ruled ineligible this coming season.
The season after this coming season increasingly appears to be the REAL nightmare scenario everyone was hand wringing about maybe happening this coming season.
Tally up the birds in the bush likely and then recall the difficulty Self has had signing domestic OADs and 5-stars–the kinds Self would have to sign for even a modicum of immediate relief in the paint–and think about that paint rotation.
Pardon me while I apply some steroidal cream to my hives.
Blockades and embargoes work slowly.
They often appear to be unsuccessful early on and for quite awhile.
Blockade runners find ways to break through and the break throughs are celebrated and keep the attention off the accruing long term effects of the blockade.
But eventually the adverse effects of blockade are felt.
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@wissoxfan83
A couple of things about that write-up:
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““I don’t anticipate this being cleared up in the near future,” Self told Dodd.” - I’m curious what Self considers “near future?” For me… “near future” means between now and our season opener. That means, in the least, Cheick isn’t running with the first team and will get behind for the year.
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“Diallo’s AAU coach, Terrence “Munch” Williams, …” - I’m wondering what it would be like to go out to dinner with Terrance “Munch” Williams and Jerrance “Snacks” Howard? Pretty obvious it would be a huge mistake to put “Munch” with “Snacks” at the same dinner table… and if either has a brother nicknamed “More”… it could spell real trouble!
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“Pardon me while I apply some steroidal cream to my hives.”
Sounds like a case of the heebeegeebees!
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@drgnslayr I didn’t like the sound of Self’s quote to be honest.
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I believe the thread was just KU fans being sarcastic…
- Just wait until Selden breaks a nail in scrimmage. It’ll be MELTDOWN time.
- Do you think we’ll have to amputate? Is his career over? He was always made of glass! Selden sucks!!!
- I smell frontal lobotomy. It’s doom!
No question they were making fan of how much the Diallo issue is being blown out or proportion…in the slow days of Summer.
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I consider this a big problem. I was 100% sure that BMac would be cleared to play his freshman year. I was 100% sure that Cliff would only sit out a few games last year. It is really scary. If he is ok to play it shouldn’t even be a discussion. I’m very concerned as Diallo is a starter for this team if he plays to his billing.
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Well, you can tell by the way that I wait to sign
I’m an ineligible man: no time to talk
Shoe lean loud but agent not, I’ve been kicked around
Since I was hot
And now it’s all right, it’s OK
NCAA may look the other way
We can try to understand
ESPN’s effect on man
Whether you’re a brother or his mother
You’re stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive
Eligibility breakin’ and everybody shakin’
And we’re givin’em hives, givin’em hives
Ah, ha, ha, ha, givin’em hives,
Ah, ha, ha, ha, givin’em hives…
Well now, I fly high and I fly low
And if I can’t do either, I say I’m set to go
Got three stripes of adidas on my shoes
I’m a jammin’ man and I just can’t lose
You know it’s all right, it’s ok
I’ll live to play in the NBA
We can try to understand
ESPN’s effect on man…
Bee Gees - Stayin’ Alive Lyrics adapted by BeeBate 1.0
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Beebate
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Howling!
Yes, I confess, I once wore my collar outside my coat.
But it was not a white suit.
Still, it would take a lot of therapy for me to admit what color of suit it was.
The power of disco was strong, Luke, and the force of it took me away from the path of Bob Dylanesque righteousness for a time.
Its alright, its okay,
Bob took a few missteps
Along the way…too.
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Diallo is gonna get cleared. Its my Mantra from now on.
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Holy $#&%!
I need my diaper changed… NURSE?!
How about I blow off the dust on my old Fender Strat and you start writing more lyrics? There is already a band called “The Jayhawks” so how about…
S L A Y J A Y !
I’m psyched to put on some platform shoes again and grab a microphone!
Do you play an instrument?
Maybe our first gig can be LATE NIGHT!
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Well isn’t this page a freakin’ bit of doom and gloom.
@jaybate-1.0’s post about Mickelson above is terrific analysis. Very well done. Me like Mick.
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The world evolves in mysterious ways.
It could turn out that Hunter Mickelson holds the fate of the team in his keep-it-alive, ball tipping hands!!!
From cryo-ice to KU’s crucial piece of Self’s first shoot first and tip team.
Rock Chalk!!!
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A bit of update on the Diallo situation.
It’s his school that is being evaluated.
He isn’t the only player from his team that hasn’t been cleared. Damon Wilson Jr # 81 in ESPN top 100 has not been cleared to play for Pittsburgh either.
Davon Dillard 4* player who recently signed with Oklahoma St and Diallo’s teammate was just cleared yesterday by the NCAA. Dillard however only spent his Sr season at Our Savior & there is rumor that his transcript was a mess. -Positive news if 1 of the players has been cleared.
We know its not a question of Diallo’s grades or his intelligence but rather if the school provided the necessary classes over his career there to make him eligible. You would have to think that no matter if you spent 1 year or 4 years at the school, that it would make no difference in your eligibility. Dillard attends 1 year and gets cleared but Diallo does if I’m right 4 and is being questioned. Hopefully its the fact that his information has just recently been sent to the NCAA & his recent completion of 2 summer courses at KU that is delaying a decision.
I’m more optimistic after the news of Dillard being cleared and Diallo not being the only 1 singled out.
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I really don’t understand why athletes are put to a stricter standard than normal students. If Kansas admissions have given Cheick the green light why isn’t that good enough? The university evaluates all his classwork and judges each class he took against a required core necessary and if some classes are not considered “equivalent” then he will be required to take the equivalent most likely as a non-credit class at Kansas.
Perhaps the NCAA believes that schools let athletes slip through at a lower standard so they want to monitor this?
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I don’t understand it either but when does anything that the NCAA does make any sense.
Apparently a school doesn’t have the final say in whether a kid goes there or not. Its definitely micro managing at its best and the only possible reason I can see that Athlete’s get this extra attention is to ensure that schools are not accepting them based solely on their athletic ability.
What if Jimmy slips the KU admin department a few Benjamin’s to look the other way at someone’s grade or this or that and they accept him. Obviously just a hypothetical but its probably the reason why the NCAA overseas athletes eligibility to ensure schools follow the rules in accepting these guys. It will be truly sad if the NCAA has a negative ruling with Diallo because its certainly not his fault that his school may not be up “standards”. I’m certainly more optimistic he will be eligible then I was a week ago but time will tell…
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But then… I look at a school like UNC… and then I understand why this must be necessary. If they were willing to create a system where athletes breeze through classes, they would surely loosen the standards for incoming freshmen athletes, too.
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On the Bee Gees thing … when I was a kid, an older kid called them the BJs. I was like “no it’s the Bee Gees.” The older kid said “no, their gay, it’s the BJs.” Still didn’t make sense to me. And then one day it did. And once that makes sense to you, well, you’re no longer really a kid.
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I didn’t relate to the BeeGees back then. I was more of a hard rock kid. Sometimes it takes aging to recognize that other people have talent, whether it is your style or not. Plus… as you age you tend to soften up on everything that comes from your prime time youth!
I remember cleaning out my closet several decades ago… throwing out my bell bottom pants, flaming suits and platform shoes. Wish I hadn’t done that! And what I couldn’t wear today (because of added pounds), I could always sell online or to a vintage store. That stuff is worth premium dollars today!
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@drgnslayr love to see a pic!
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Not going to happen… I’m not exactly proud of my current physical condition and it wouldn’t visually improve just by adding glitzy old 60s/70s attire. I run from cameras today! Yikes!
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@drgnslayr I meant an old one.
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Actually it is the opposite. Most every schools have outreach programs that allow them to admit students that would not normally qualify and the only chance of succeeding in college is taking a reduced classwork with heavy tutoring. The NCAA wants to make sure that student-athletes are capable of carrying a minimum class load in addition to the time and effort required by the sport, since it is a requirement to remain eligible. Many athletes take summer classes to compensate for the reduced class load taken during the regular school terms.
If I recall correctly, this is part of the problem at SMU where individuals that normally would not qualify were admitted by virtue of being athletes and then the NCAA said…we don’t think so…private school are free to admit pretty much any one they want.
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The school has the final say on whether to admit a student or not; the NCAA cannot and does not tell schools who they can or cannot admit. However, the NCAA does have the final say on whether that student can participle in NCAA sanctioned sports.
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I’m thinking it is the Kansas Board of Regents that determine admission guidelines for all State-funded universities… of which Kansas is a member.
http://www.kansasregents.org/academic_affairs/qualified_admissions
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Yes, that is the case 98% of the time and applicable to the majority of candidates. However, all schools have outreach programs that allow student that otherwise would not qualify to be admitted under hardship conditions; many athletes are accepted under these programs.
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@BeddieKU23 Yah! I was feeling like the NCAA is singling out KU here. How many times has this happened to us in the past 5 years?? Too many. Too many.
How many times has Kentucky ever had a player NOT be eligible to play in that same time frame?
None that I can remember. Speaking of that, is Skal eligible yet?
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There has been little word on him, almost like its just going to sweep under the rug while Diallo is making headlines not being eligible. Not that I think UK does anything illegal because they have been on the wrong side of luck before (Kanter) but Skal’s eligibility issues have been talked about a lot more but I have not seen anything recent on him.
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It looks that way but all schools have the same issues when it comes to student-athletes; we are just more familiar with those associated with KU. Unfortunately, not all student-athletes are like Perry Ellis, Valedictorian of his HS class. A good number of the top recruits (obviously not all) are academically marginal since they see their future in pro-sports and academics come second. The basic NCAA requirement are not particularly high at all and the average HS graduate should not have any problem meeting them.
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@BeddieKU23 Yeah, Kanter. Almost forgot about him.
Either way, Diallo WILL get cleared. I know it. I just hope its before October.
We’ve had to wait on Selby,Anrio Adams, the Twins?, Ben, Traylor, did we have to wait on Embiid or Wiggs? Now we wait on Diallo. It just seems like KU is being picked on while Duke, UNC, UK and others get passes way more than we do.
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Skal issues are not related to grades, they involve his guardian asking AU coaches how to make money with or off Skal. Skal’s guardian created a school where he played basketball (basically a traveling basketball team) but his coursework was done at a regular school.
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With Duke they aren’t going to have a lot of acadamic issues because of their strict admission standards.
What standards? http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2008/11/05/stanford-vs-duke-basketball-the-difference-in-admissions-standards/
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I didn’t know that… thanks for the info!
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@BeddieKU23 Jay Bilas has been defending Diallo and ripping on the NCAA over this issue on Twitter. He was also bringing up how ridiculous it is because it doesn’t really do anything except delay a student-athlete’s college playing career by an extra year. Makes the kid pay for something that was out of his hands too.
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@BeddieKU23 crap, I edited your post by mistake.
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Damn that would be fun, but I’ve tried song writing and I’m not for real. I can do parodies of lyrics easily, but my from scratch stuff leaves something to be desired.
I would still like for you to dust the Strat off and lay down some licks on an mpeg file, or whatever is used now, and attach to a thread here so we could hear some REAL guitar playing. Too much guitar playing with empty ball sacks these days.
We’ll call it: The 'Slayr Sessions.
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Yeah… it would be REAL… REAL BAD! Might make you forget about BAD BALL!
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Way to stiff screen those pencil necks!!!
So many people don’t get that private schools get to set their standards any way they flipping like. They can let moronic legacies in. They can let dumb jocks in. They can let the Dean’s 16 year old mistress in to keep her from spilling the statutory beans on the Dean and school.
Nothing is sacred at these private schools, except the “appearance” of high standards.
The reality is whatever they want it to be.
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I accidentally edited Beddie’s post and dogged Duke. Sorry again, @BeddieKU23. I’m on phone today and screwed the pooch on that one.
@jaybate-1.0 preach on, brother. It’s imperative to dispel the holier-than-thou Duke myth whenever it’s presented as matter of fact.
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Let me hear an AMEN!
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done it before no problemo
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@BeddieKU23 Nice find! Holy cow, I could get into Duke with my eyes closed. Those testing requirements are a joke. Here I thought that Duke was pretty close to an IVY league school…guess I was wrong.
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@Makeshift I saw one of Bilas’ tweets about Diallo. Thought it was cool coming from a Dookie and someone with a huge bias towards Nike and the east coast.
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“Let me hear an AMEN!”
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I want to stay positive about Diallo. Since he is from Mali, since he likes to BALL, Change Miss to Mister and we find out that Little Richard is a Jayhawk fan.
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Could Mickelson be this year’s Rodrick Stewart?
Let me explain.
In 2007-2008, Rush comes back but needs time to complete recovery from an ACL injury. Instead of shifting his best remaining players around, Self just plugs Rodrick Stewart into Rush’s place in the rotation.
Sure, Stewart is no Rush and will not shoot lots of 3s, but he allows Self to keep his basic offensive and defensive schemes and keep the other players in their normal roles.
When Rush comes back, Self unplugs Stewart and plugs in Rush with minimal adjustments.
Now this year, Self expects / hopes that Diallo will be available to play this year, but maybe not right away. In case there is a delay in clearing Diallo, how can Self avoid having to prepare two different teams: the one with Diallo and the one without?
The “Stewart method” would be to plug in the player who can best substitute for Diallo, while keeping everybody else in the same roles. Enter Mickelson, a guy who can block, keep the ball alive on both ends and score cleanup baskets.
Mickelson can play the Diallo role better than Lucas, whose strength is knowing Self’s system, and Traylor, who is more of a stretch 4 (or shrink 3).
The bad news for Mickelson in this comparison: when Rush came back, Stewart went from starter to deep freeze - I mean completely out of the rotation.
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@Lulufulu said:
It just seems like KU is being picked on while Duke, UNC, UK and others get passes way more than we do.
There appears a cascade effect involved.
KU signs with Adidas.
Adidas reputedly has fewer power summer league teams and Adidas leaning players to recruit.
Adidas KU signs a few top players, but not as many as top Nike programs.
Self moves toward signing guys that have gone to multiple high schools due to the phenomenon of closing schools; this leads to more delays in NCAA and B12 clearance; top Nike programs can sign fewer of these, because of larger recruiting base.
Self tries picking up more transfers and also some OADs from imploding programs. This works for a time, but then the NCAA appears to shift away from disciplining programs and toward using delayed “clearance” process to deal with recruiting abuses. At the same time, more coaches engage in Self’s transfer signing tactic so transfers to KU plateau. Further, OADs from imploding programs dry up, as rising reliance on clearance process lessens frequency of programs imploding from NCAA infractions. And later disciplined programs like Syracuse hardly appear to skip a beat in recruiting, nor suffer wide spread transfers, as a result of infractions. Further more coaches appear to embrace OAD signing. Net Self has fewer transfers, fewer OADS from imploding programs, and more competition for fewer nonNike OADs.
Self appears to resort to signing still more players from multi high school backgrounds, which means longer clearance times.
Running out of moves to end run a shrunken recruiting base coinciding with signing with Adidas, Adidas appears to get more aggressive about signing top endorsement talent in the NBA with huge deals; awareness of these new huge deals appears to filter down to Nike lean recruits and encourages some to shift brand leans and consider Adidas college programs to better position for post college shoe deals.
Adidas-KU and Adidas-Self sign certain superstar and reputed early Nike lean Wiggins away from Nike programs AND sign potential superstar Embiid–a reputed foreign Nike lean to Nike Florida and Nike Donovan.
These signings of Wigs and Embiid might be viewed as an Adidas program poaching Nike leans–two potentially huge future endorser-type players.
Apparent Nike long stacks start.
2-3 OAD/TAD Adidas program rosters suddenly then at competitive disadvantage with 4-10 draft choice stacks.
Rick Pitino reputedly notes agent and agent runner mechanism for channeling some players toward some schools with some brands, as well as some reputed asymmetry in recruiting pools related to brands.
Self appears to counter apparent long stack strategy with pursuit and signing more foreign players with complicated school backgrounds. More clearance delays.
Apparent Long stack strategy quickly modified to apparent medium stack strategy apparently perhaps to get broader stack coverage of conferences and lower profile of stacking strategy and reduce appearance of unfairness.
Adidas-KU struggles more and more to sign top players. KU’s reliance on recruits from complicated academic backgrounds rises. More clearance problems.
The above is speculation and opining and hypothesizing on appearances by a layman fan without insider knowledge of actual recruiting. No conspiracies are expressed or implied. All is assumed to be legal, or part of regulatory grey areas. Your take may differ and be just as possibly correct. More and more we need credible pro journalists with resources to dig in.
