More conversation about Dave feel free
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Well we all know there has been much conversation about Dave , how he is hurting the team , some of the things said solid , Dave has plenty of room to improve , pick up his game, yet we all know Dave started slow last year and look how he ended up for the year - he saved our butts more then once , still you got people saying he costs us games - -Maybe - - maybe not .Not once have I found where ONLY Dave has cost this team a game - kind of like the saying you WIN as a team - -And you LOSE as a team.
There is plenty of blame that can be handed out to EVERY SINGLE player at different points of games , yet Dave seems to be the target , Hell after the 1st game of the year we had people talking about how Dave needed to be benched how lousy he was and costing us - - THE FIRST GAME for GOD’S Sake
I ran across this today and should be noted - you want to talk smack on Dave ? - -Great you do that , throw that shade BUT like I said there are others on this team that need trashed to, just a small comparison here. Will someone tell me how much Jalen has been helping us? - go ahead I’ll wait - -he has played like shit , lousy , lousy ball - -but yet don’t hear people targeting Jalen nearly as much. Hmmmm and don’t try and come across with the feeble excuse - - WELL he has only played 3 games – AND? -People was on Dave after the 1st game - -but Jalen wets himself and all I hear is - -well it’s his 1st game back , 2nd game , 3rd game - -so at what point does he take responsibility for the play of his game ? - -Here you go - you ready for Jalen’s eye popping stats where maybe he should take more of David’s minutes or hell take more of anybody’s - heard people saying Jalen needs to be seeing the floor more lol - -OK through 3 games Jalen’s numbers in Jalen’s time back and he is only averaging 1 less minute per Game then David 18.7 to 17.7- Jalen’s stats ? - -35.7% FG - - 30.0 ft % - & 0.00 3pt % - hey there’s something to write home about - -how many games you gonna win with a line like that ?
Again I know David has a lot of things to improve on yet but dam some people need to get off his ass , really about the only ones playing well pretty much consistency at this point is - - -Ochai - - Christian - Bobby has been pretty solid - - Remy has forced a lot of things – Jaun has been ok nothing great. - Ya David needs to do better, but so does EVERYONE ELSE. lighten up.
Some think how well a player is doing is all about Scoring , that’s about the least truthful thing from reality that there is, takes a hell of a lot more then just scoring. Yep Dave needs to score more but I have no doubt that will come - -a lot of more facets to the game then just scoring. - -Dave is the Teams leading Shot blocker, and has 10 blocks - - -tied for the team leader in STEALS - -hmmm imagine that the guy that’s hurting the team is also leading the team in Steals. - - 2nd leading rebounder. - Hell Dave shouldn’t have to score a ton -All I’ve heard is how we got so many that can score the ball - ya he needs to score but if he avg’s 8-9 a game gets his share of rebounds then I’m good Again were loaded with Scorers right? - so we don’t need to depend on him for scoring a boat load. - Like I said sure there is things he for sure can improve but DAMM lighten up Dave by far is not the only problem with this team yet seems to be the easy target - -ROCK CHALK
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I don’t think Big Dave costs this team games. I don’t even have a problem with him as a player. He’s a good player with a defined skill set that can be effective at the D1 level.
My issue is the way he fits with this team, and the way that Bill Self wants to use him.
Dave McCormack is not Udoka Azubuike. He is not Wayne Simien. He is not Markieff Morris. He is not Thomas Robinson. He is not Perry Ellis. He is probably most similar to Cole Aldrich, with less defensive acumen.
So let’s think about Cole Aldrich. He was most successful on the 2008-09 team, which revolved primarily around him and Sherron Collins, with Collins averaging about 19 a game and Cole about 15. In his junior season, Aldrich’s numbers fell back down to under 12 points a game. The big difference was that as a sophomore, Aldrich needed to be the focus inside because the freshman scorers (Taylor, Morris Twins) were not ready to step forward just yet, so Aldrich was a focal point. The team had very little wing scoring (Reed and Morningstar averaged under 7 ppg).
That is not this team. Two of the best players on this team are wing scorers (Braun, Agbaji). The best players are slashing guards (add Martin, Yesufu, Harris to the prior list). McCormack is not the second best player on this team. He’s probably the 5th best behind Agbaji, Martin, Braun, and Wilson.
This team was also built to run. Every guy in the rotation except McCormack and Lightfoot is a guy that is better in an uptempo transition game. That doesn’t fit McCormack’s style as well.
So we have a guy that is talented. I just compared him to a player that was an NBA lottery pick. But we have a team that doesn’t fit his style, and in fact goes against his style.
So Dave is in a bit of a bind. He’s a fish out of water trying to run with thoroughbreds. He can still be effective, but he’s a guy that really can’t play with Harris because Dave needs to be on the floor with other shooters, so if Harris plays a lot (and he has so far) Dave has to play less. He isn’t a great post up guy, so he needs to be out away from the basket screening, but that goes against Self’s tendency to run almost exclusively PnR with a four out set.
Dave can be effective. We just have to find a fit for his skills within the construct of the rest of the team.
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@justanotherfan said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
I don’t think Big Dave costs this team games. I don’t even have a problem with him as a player. He’s a good player with a defined skill set that can be effective at the D1 level.
My issue is the way he fits with this team, and the way that Bill Self wants to use him.
Dave McCormack is not Udoka Azubuike. He is not Wayne Simien. He is not Markieff Morris. He is not Thomas Robinson. He is not Perry Ellis. He is probably most similar to Cole Aldrich, with less defensive acumen.
So let’s think about Cole Aldrich. He was most successful on the 2008-09 team, which revolved primarily around him and Sherron Collins, with Collins averaging about 19 a game and Cole about 15. In his junior season, Aldrich’s numbers fell back down to under 12 points a game. The big difference was that as a sophomore, Aldrich needed to be the focus inside because the freshman scorers (Taylor, Morris Twins) were not ready to step forward just yet, so Aldrich was a focal point. The team had very little wing scoring (Reed and Morningstar averaged under 7 ppg).
That is not this team. Two of the best players on this team are wing scorers (Braun, Agbaji). The best players are slashing guards (add Martin, Yesufu, Harris to the prior list). McCormack is not the second best player on this team. He’s probably the 5th best behind Agbaji, Martin, Braun, and Wilson.
This team was also built to run. Every guy in the rotation except McCormack and Lightfoot is a guy that is better in an uptempo transition game. That doesn’t fit McCormack’s style as well.
So we have a guy that is talented. I just compared him to a player that was an NBA lottery pick. But we have a team that doesn’t fit his style, and in fact goes against his style.
So Dave is in a bit of a bind. He’s a fish out of water trying to run with thoroughbreds. He can still be effective, but he’s a guy that really can’t play with Harris because Dave needs to be on the floor with other shooters, so if Harris plays a lot (and he has so far) Dave has to play less. He isn’t a great post up guy, so he needs to be out away from the basket screening, but that goes against Self’s tendency to run almost exclusively PnR with a four out set.
Dave can be effective. We just have to find a fit for his skills within the construct of the rest of the team.
I concur. Would only add that Wilson has been back for three games and has played for one season. Dave is in his 4th year of inconsistency.
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@Marco said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
@justanotherfan said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
I don’t think Big Dave costs this team games. I don’t even have a problem with him as a player. He’s a good player with a defined skill set that can be effective at the D1 level.
My issue is the way he fits with this team, and the way that Bill Self wants to use him.
Dave McCormack is not Udoka Azubuike. He is not Wayne Simien. He is not Markieff Morris. He is not Thomas Robinson. He is not Perry Ellis. He is probably most similar to Cole Aldrich, with less defensive acumen.
So let’s think about Cole Aldrich. He was most successful on the 2008-09 team, which revolved primarily around him and Sherron Collins, with Collins averaging about 19 a game and Cole about 15. In his junior season, Aldrich’s numbers fell back down to under 12 points a game. The big difference was that as a sophomore, Aldrich needed to be the focus inside because the freshman scorers (Taylor, Morris Twins) were not ready to step forward just yet, so Aldrich was a focal point. The team had very little wing scoring (Reed and Morningstar averaged under 7 ppg).
That is not this team. Two of the best players on this team are wing scorers (Braun, Agbaji). The best players are slashing guards (add Martin, Yesufu, Harris to the prior list). McCormack is not the second best player on this team. He’s probably the 5th best behind Agbaji, Martin, Braun, and Wilson.
This team was also built to run. Every guy in the rotation except McCormack and Lightfoot is a guy that is better in an uptempo transition game. That doesn’t fit McCormack’s style as well.
So we have a guy that is talented. I just compared him to a player that was an NBA lottery pick. But we have a team that doesn’t fit his style, and in fact goes against his style.
So Dave is in a bit of a bind. He’s a fish out of water trying to run with thoroughbreds. He can still be effective, but he’s a guy that really can’t play with Harris because Dave needs to be on the floor with other shooters, so if Harris plays a lot (and he has so far) Dave has to play less. He isn’t a great post up guy, so he needs to be out away from the basket screening, but that goes against Self’s tendency to run almost exclusively PnR with a four out set.
Dave can be effective. We just have to find a fit for his skills within the construct of the rest of the team.
I concur. Would only add that Wilson has been back for three games and has played for one season. Dave is in his 4th year of inconsistency.
and there you go again - lmao - -Did you see the part where I said fans say - -oh I dunno like yourself even jumped Dave’s ass in HIS GAME ONE of the season , and you just went verbatum that I said people do when people trying to make excuses for Jalen - -like OH WELL IT’S HIS FIRST GAME roflmao - -come on that’s getting old. -Sp when Bill continues to play Dave through the year and he does essentially the same as he done last year - - don’t come jumping on Dave’s bandwagon then and tooting his horn talking about how well he is playing - it’s still the same Dave lmao. I’m not worried though I’m sur you will find something to bitch about him even if he was to go 20/10 you all right - - you can talk all you want Dave is not the problem for this team. He might be part but far from THE problem
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@jayballer67 no question about it, I’ll find something - he’ll be lucky to start, let alone average 20/10. And with the makeup of this team, he’ll more than make it easy for me and damn near everyone else to find something.
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@Marco said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
@jayballer67 no question about it, I’ll find something - he’ll be lucky to start, let alone average 20/10. And with the makeup of this team, he’ll more than make it easy for me and damn near everyone else to find something.
na I’m just banking on you - - don’t let me down
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@jayballer67 I want him to average 25/15.
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@Marco said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
@jayballer67 I want him to average 25/15.
na that couldn’t work
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Dammit Dave your rebound of that shot gave Och that 3 - -terrible play right Marco lol
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@jayballer67 said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
Dammit Dave your rebound of that shot gave Och that 3 - -terrible play right Marco lol
All night long!
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@Marco said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
@jayballer67 said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
Dammit Dave your rebound of that shot gave Och that 3 - -terrible play right Marco lol
All night long!
just terrible , terrible , terrible lmao - -I know that was what Coach was saying 15 points , 13 rebounds , block , steal , dammit he needs to keep those water bottles filled roflmao
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@jayballer67 stop, my god. When he does badly I say so. When he plays well I give him his props. He played well last night, and I said so. Needs to show up like that every game. Period.
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@Marco said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
@jayballer67 stop, my god. When he does badly I say so. When he plays well I give him his props. He played well last night, and I said so. Needs to show up like that every game. Period.
bottom line get off his ass period, like I said before you got a dam hardon for him - you need to focus on the other screw ups on this team period like oh I dunno JALEN- you stop your vendetta against McCormick then ya I’ll stop every time I turn around your on his ass - -back up some then we be good. One more time he IS not the problem on this team partly ? possibly. -but not your way your playing it out -it’s ALL HIM - - - YOU STOP.
You wanna state things I have just as much right for rebuttal say what I feel - and I say get off his ass now end of story he is not near as bad as you make it, you have been on him from the opening tip STOP now were done
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Enough!
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
Enough!
not happening, I have just of much right to voice a opinion as anyone else - He stops - -I stop. I’m not going to have some on rag on a player that I think is un-justified, again I’ll say he is not NEARLY as much of the problem as he makes it out to be plain and simple - -so sorry but I’m going to respond period
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Wilson hasn’t looked very good thus far. I’m pretty sure he’ll come around and Dave looked better vs St Johns. Just a matter of time before all the cylinders are in sync. When that happens, we should be able to compete with any team on any night.
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@jayballer67 said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
@Marco said in More conversation about Dave feel free:
@jayballer67 stop, my god. When he does badly I say so. When he plays well I give him his props. He played well last night, and I said so. Needs to show up like that every game. Period.
bottom line get off his ass period, like I said before you got a dam hardon for him - you need to focus on the other screw ups on this team period like oh I dunno JALEN- you stop your vendetta against McCormick then ya I’ll stop every time I turn around your on his ass - -back up some then we be good. One more time he IS not the problem on this team partly ? possibly. -but not your way your playing it out -it’s ALL HIM - - - YOU STOP.
You wanna state things I have just as much right for rebuttal say what I feel - and I say get off his ass now end of story he is not near as bad as you make it, you have been on him from the opening tip STOP now were done
You need to calm down, dumbass. Understand? It is my opinion, and I’m standing by it. Anyway, done responding to your retardation. Can’t understand your jibberish half the time anyway.
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Thanks for locking @Crimsonorblue22 . This went sideways…. And kept going. Real prairie of prax stuff.
